03/17/1998 - City Council Special AGENDA
SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING
Tuesday
March 17, 1998
5:00 p.m.
Municipal Center Community Room
I. ROLL CALL & ADOPTION OF AGENDA
II. VISITORS TO BE HEARD
III. WATER TECHNOLOGY REPORT
AQUATIC FACILITY PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETINGS
IV. OTHER BUSINESS
V. ADJOURNMENT
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TO: HONORABLE MAYOR& CITY COUNCILMEMBERS
FROM: CITY ADMINISTRATOR HEDGES
DATE: MARCH 13, 1998
SUBJECT: SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING/MARCH 17, 1998
A Special City Council meeting is scheduled for Tuesday, March 17, 1998 at 5:00 p.m. in the
Community Room. A menu is enclosed on page for your choice of a sandwich or
salad. Please contact Maria with your choice (a voice mail message is fine) by noon on
Monday.
WATER TECHNOLOGY- REPORT OF FAMILY AQUATIC CENTER
INFORMATIONAL MEETINGS
City staff and representatives of Water Technology hosted community informational meetings
on March 4 and March 10 to review concept plans for the proposed family aquatic facility
with interested members of the public. Copies of feedback forms received, including meeting
notes, is enclosed on pages_ through RZ. Water Technology and City staff will be
present at Tuesday's workshop to review the public comments and respond to some
questions from the City Council. Please note that this item has been scheduled under Old
Business on the regular agenda. Official action will be taken at that time. A reduction of the
pool plan is also attached on page QQ
The Council should use the workshop opportunity to help clarify the public testimony and
facility ideas that were generated at the meetings.
OTHER BUSINESS
At this time, there are no additional items for Other Business.
/S/ Thomas L. Hedges
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Eagan Family Aquatic Facility
Informational Meeting
March 4,1998
Director Vraa introduced Claude Rogers and Rick Klarck from Water Technology,Inc. Claude,
Landscape Architect and Chief Pool Designer,presented background on the process to date and
proceeded to a slide presentation showing some of the potential options that could be
considered with the development of this project. Mr.Rogers clarified that this is a preliminary
concept plan to give residents the opportunity to respond and provide feedback for the City
Council.
In reviewing the proposed plan,Mr. Rogers noted that Civic Center Drive is at an 894 elevation,
the proposed parking lot would be at an 888-876 elevation. The bath house would be at the
876 elevation moving to an 874 elevation at the pool deck. This is also the same elevation as the
first floor of the library. The proposed lazy river is expected to be at an 870 elevation and
finally,the top of the sun turf area,adjacent to the residential area to the east,is at an 890
elevation. The 890 elevation is 16 feet above the pool deck area,Rogers noted.
Following the slide presentation,Director Vraa passed out reductions of the pool plan and
solicited input from the group.
Question: Has the City looked at an indoor facility rather than outdoor?
Response: Both the schools and YMCA have indoor swimming facilities. An indoor pool
would be more costly to construct and would not meet the bather load necessary
for the City's population.
Question: The wading pool was targeted to a younger age group and is used very heavily.
What is the bather load for the wading pool? Is this proposed pool going to be
big enough to meet the City's need?
Response: The wading pool was designed for a bather load of 84. Since there is no staff at
that site,it is self policed. There have,however,been many more than 84 in the
pool on some days.
Proposed pool is designed for 2,000 bather load and on some peak days could
have more than 3,000 visitors in a given day. There could be a maximum of 2,000
at any point in time,however.
Question: Has there been any noise modeling done?
Response: None has been done. Noise will be generated from this site,however consultants
would not presume to tell people what level of noise may or may not be
objectionable.
Comment: When this facility was sited at this location there should have been some noise
modeling considered.
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Response: Consideration of the residents to the east was the reason the area is bermed with
most activity moved to the west. The majority of people will be near the zero
depth entry that is located the farthest away from residents. Landscaping will
also be done to help mitigate the impact.
Question: Why was there not a selection process for the site?
Response: The municipal campus site was designed for a civic center,library,police,city
hall and civic arena. The City Council wanted to look at this site to see if a
facility of this type could fit. An in-depth study of other existing City owned
properties was not done,however,it was felt that this type of facility would not
be able to be accommodated at other existing sites. Being centrally located and
close to transportation and trails was a large consideration in looking at the
municipal campus site.
Comment: Have been involved in aquatics for several years. Worked for Hennepin County
Parks and the Lichfield pool for many years. Based on that background they
found that the peak use was during the week day from noon-5:00 pm.
Comment: Suggest shifting the pool and parking to mitigate impact to the library and
residential area.
Response: That option would push parking immediately adjacent to the library and the
residential area and doesn't allow for buffering. It also doesn't function as wen
on this site.
Question: What is the length of the lap pool and how many lanes are there?
Response: The lap pool is 25 feet and has 3 lanes.
Comment: Would like to see more lanes and prefer 50 meter. 25 meter would work but
definitely need more lanes.
Response: The option to add lanes is possible but expanding to 50 meters may be cost
prohibitive based on the bather load necessary for this water body.
Questions: Where are the bike racks to park? How many will there be?
Response: There will be several racks provided near the entrance to the park.
Question: Why don't you build this on the property at Cliff and Pilot Knob? That is equally
well centered. Grandchildren may enjoy the pool but doesn't want to live next to
it. Work will need to be done to mitigate excessive noise.
How many times will the facility be filled with cars? Where will overflow
parking go? This project has already caused property valuation problems and a
lost sale. "This is only a townhouse association to the east and therefore doesn't
mean much."
Question: What is the depth of the lap lanes? They don't need to be 12 feet,6 feet is
sufficient.
Lived close to the Richfield pool and it actually enhanced their property values.
Also did not create objectionable noise levels. Would not hesitate to live next to a
facility of this type.
Comment: Berms and trees will make a huge difference in buffering noise. Noise is coming
from the zero depth area primarily.
Response: The depth of the lap lanes may be tied to what activities could be tied to that
area. If,for example,water walking or water exercises were a proposed use,6 or
12 feet would be too deep. The water doesn't need to be deep in this area unless
there is a drop slide of some kind.
Question: What do other facilities have for lap lanes?
Response: Some have 6lanes,25 meters (or yards) with diving board. This facility,as it is
layed out,provided infinite opportunities for other things like lessons,etc.
Question: Will there be a public address system and music during all open hours?
Response: A public address system is required but a decision regarding music has not been
made.
Question: How many facilities pipe music through the PA system?
Response: Approximately half.
This issue has not been considered at this preliminary stage. Programming
issues have not been discussed at this point.
Comment: Suggest providing lessons. They would be very successful in this community.
Comment: Great facility. Consider doing lessons and providing for competitive swimming.
Question: Have a problem with the location. Suggest that another spot be considered.
How close is the fence to the residential area? Great plan but wrong location. It
doesn't have to be 130 feet from residential properties.
Response: Fence would be 30 feet from the closest property.
Question: When is the ground breaking?
Response: If the Council proceeds with the plan,they are looking for an opening of June,
1999.
Comment: Incompatible use. The arena is a quiet facility. This one will draw 2,000 people
on a summer day when people will have their windows open. Is this the best we
can do? Just too close to residential.
Comment: Live next to the library and will be staring at an ugly fence and tower. Don't like
that.
Response: Decision has not been made as to what type of fencing will be installed. A black
vinyl coated chain link,for example,literally disappears into the landscaping.
The consultant noted that he personally would not have a problem living next to
a facility like this. He also cited a situation in Illinois where$300-400,000 homes
were built directly adjacent to an existing water facility similar to what is
proposed.
Question: How tall is the waterslide tower?
Response: Approximately 35 feet above the water and 15-16 feet above the berm to the
east.
Director Vraa thanked everyone for attending. He noted that all comments received would be
passed on to the Council for their review prior to the March 17 meeting. The meeting ended at
8:40 pm.
Eagan Family Aquatic Facility
Information Meeting
March 10,1998
7:00 pm
Director Vraa provided background for those in attendance explaining that what was being
proposed was a preliminary plan designed to solicit input from the community. The design
was based on the consultants'assessment of the community and it's need based on population.
He continued that the City Council will be reviewing the feedback received from the public and
will make a determination on March 17 if they will proceed to the design/development phase.
It was noted that the 40 acre parcel was purchased in the early 1970's with the intention that it
would be used as a municipal complex. Ten acres were given to the library where their current
building is located.
The Council wanted to determine the build-out potential for the campus and hired Ingraham
Voss to do a study and see if a pool could possibly fit on the site. After researching several
facilities,it appeared the size of the St.Louis Park pool would come close to meeting the need
for the residents of Eagan. A footprint of the St.Louis Park pool was used in assessing the site to
see if a pool and parking could fit. Once that was completed,Water Technology was hired to
do a preliminary feasibility study which included determining cost for building and operating a
pool of this size. The plan being presented,Vraa added,was a preliminary plan designed to
show what pool facilities could be constructed for the$4.5 million budget estimate given.
Vraa then started the slide presentation noting that Water Technology,Inc. and Leisure
Concepts and Designs had prepared the information from some of the 200+pools they have
been involved with.
Question: Does the City Council,Advisory Planning Commission or any other commission
members have an interest in any of these companies?
Vraa: No
Question: Are you sure?
Vraa: Yes
Following the slide presentation showing different possible components like zero depth entry,
water in motion,water playground,water slides,lazy river,lap swimming,heated water,sun
turf,sand area,concessions and landscaping,the pool layout was shared. Comments were then
solicited.
Question: Is there a diving board?
Response: There is not one shown in the plan. A 3 meter board requires 14' of water and the
pool is currently showing a maximum depth of 5 feet. A 1 meter board or 1 meter
platform could be considered.
Question: Has a sound study been done to assess the sound level from this facility to the
adjacent homeowners? Has an environmental impact study been done?
Response: No sound testing has been done to date. The consultants have indicated it would
be difficult to identify the sound levels or compare one facility to another because
they are all different. This plan,for example,has the pool located 14 feet below
grade from the residential area to the east. It creates a"bowl".
Comment: Want to see a sound study done. Also want an environmental study done because
of the impact from"ripping out an entire forest".
Response: A preliminary tree inventory has been done on the site and the City would be
required to meet the Tree Preservation Ordinance requirements the same as any
other development. It is expected that with landscaping the replacement trees
would exceed the quality of the trees being removed.
Question: How high would the trees be?
Response: Will work with the neighbors so that an appropriate buffer can be provided to
mitigate sight and sound.
Comment: None of the slides showed a residential development surrounding these big pools.
Response: Slides were provided by Water Technology to show examples of facilities that
could be incorporated into a pool.
Question: Why don't you know what sound studies can be done for this site?This
information should have been available tonight in anticipation of concerns.
Response: If sound studies had been considered they would only be able to be done during
the summer when the other facilities are open. Information received to date has
not led the consultants to believe that noise would a primary factor for this facility.
They have moved the noisiest component(zero depth area) the farthest away from
the residential area to the east.
Question: Would you like to live next to this? When I moved into my home,the library said
there would never,never be anything built in the wooded area near the library.
Comment: The season for this pool would be approximately June to September;90 days. The
hours would typically be 11 a.m.-9 p.m. The total bather load for this total facility
would be 2,000. There may be some peak days where up to 3,000 people may be in
and out of the facility.
Youth
Comment: If the City bought this land over 20 years ago that was before any houses were
built nearby. Maybe they should've called the City to see what was planned to go
here.
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Question: Will there be the ability to limit the total number in the pool at one time?
Response: Yes.
Youth
Comment: The pools are down hill from houses and the peak hours are typically during the
day when most people are not at home. The trees will buffer the sound. Eagan
needs a pool and this land was purchased to have something like this built on it.
Question: Is it the City's intent to generate revenue to cover the cost of operation?
Response: Yes.
Question: What is the cost?
Response: The first phase identified,to meet a 1200 bather load,is$4.5 million. The second
phase,an additional 800 bather load,would bring the project total to$7 million.
Question: What will be the charge to get in?
Response: The consultants will be helping the City determine that.
Comment: If the intention is to get the bather load to 2,000 maybe the pool should be built at
one time rather than phased.
Question: If the lazy river goes in,where would extra parking go? Would suggest allowing
only resident parking in the nearby residential areas so that overflow parking
doesn't occur there.
Response: Parking has been expanded to meet what the consultants feel is necessary. Parking
is always a concern given the amount of activity from the municipal campus.
Satellite parking may also be considered.
Question: Why would people park in residential area to the east? There's no access to the
pool from there.
Response: The City understands the concern residents have for parking in their
neighborhood.
Youth
Question: A lot of older kids will use this pool and may will bike there. How many bike
racks will there be?
Response: Multiple racks will be provided anticipating a loi'of trail use to the pool.
Question: If MRPA estimated a population this size needs a pool for every 20,000 residents,
what would be the cost of building 3 separate pool? Triple? Double?
Response: At least double. The greatest expense would be the duplication of operation,i.e.
heating equipment,concessions,staff,etc.
Question: How much staff will be needed?
Response: Estimates are from 70-105 seasonal staff and probably 2 full-time staff.
Question: At the main entrance to the pool can another entrance be placed farther to the
south? If a parent with several small children has to park and walk to the entrance
there are some parking locations that are a considerable distance from the main
entrance.
Used the wading pool many times during the week and found it was so popular
because it was free. There were also a lot of people from outside the community
using it. Eagan residents should get a break with fees for this pool.
Response: The City may consider offering season passes to residents only and charging a
higher fee for non-resident daily fees.
Comment: The zero depth is a great idea. Would suggest some type of divider,i.e. rope,
colored line,etc. as an indicator of the depth getting deeper. For example,mark
1 ft.,2 ft.3 ft,etc so that parents can easily identify the depth.
Comment: Wonderful idea. Do the whole thing so that the older kids can have more things to
do. The lazy river will fill that need. Also consider more lap lanes.
Question: Is there a possibility that concerts will be held at this site?
Question: Is there going to be an amphitheater at this site?
Response: The Council has rejected an amphitheater at this site.
Question: Has the City looked at any other sites?
Response: The City doesn't own a site large enough to accommodate a pool facility like this.
This site is centrally located,close to transportation and trail access and has south
exposure.
Question: Wasn't the YMCA willing to donate land?
Response: That information appeared in the paper,however the YMCA did not approach the
City with a proposal. It was also opined that the site would not be large enough.
Youth
Question: When will the pool open?
Response: If the plan proceeds,the Council is hopeful to open the facility in June,1999.
Question: Will that be both parts of the pool?
Response: The Council will decide.
Question: Could both parts be built to open in June,1999?
Response: Yes,if they start construction this August.
Question: If this was done in stages wouldn't it be more expensive than to build it completely
right away?
Response: Yes there would be some cost savings by building everything now rather than in
stages.
Question: Is the vote to proceed with this pool tied with the second sheet of ice?
Response: No. They are separate issues.
Question: Were there any commitments made to residents regarding what could/could not
be done with this site?
Response: Not that we're aware of.
Question: If this is the proposal,what is the next step?
Response: The Council will review the public's comments and decide whether to proceed to
the design/development stage where the plan will be refined based on input
received. That decision will be made on March 17.
Question: Will the Council alone make the decision?
Response: Yes.
Comment: An outdoor pool is great but a community center with an indoor pool would be
much better in Minnesota.
Response: The debate for indoor vs. outdoor continues. An indoor facility would be much
smaller and would not satisfy the bather load. It would also be more expensive to
build.
Comment: If a pool is going to be built,competitive swimming element is needed. Don't need
a lazy river or too many fancy,frilly things.
Youth
Question: Since there seems to be some concern for location,can the pool be moved to the
large area at Lexington and Diffley? That doesn't seem to get used much.
Response: It would be necessary to tear out several ball fields that were built just a few years
ago which would result in a shortage of softball fields.
Question: Can the pool move any farther to the south?
Response: It is as far south as it can go because of elevations.
Question: What is the distance from the water line to the nearest property line?
Response: Approximately 180 feet.
Question: The City Council has the option of just spending this money from the Community
Investment Fund and isn't required to offer a referendum? This is a repeat of the
ice arena that was built after it was voted down.
Response: Explained the Community Investment Fund. The civic arena was build using part
of that fund but also from$600,000 raised by residents.
Question: Isn't that money the residents no matter where it came from?
Comment: Have lived here for 14 years and think the pool is a wonderful idea. It seems that
there are a large number of residents who would benefit from this and there needs
to be a broader view of what is needed for this fast growing community.
Comment: The facility is not the issue. The City does so much recklessly without considering
the future.
Question: Wasn't the wading pool build as part of the ice arena package?
Response: $100,000 was allocated for the wading pool and its use has far exceeded anyone's
expectations. The use of the wading pool prompted many calls from residents
looking for something larger to meet the needs of their older family members.
Question: Will the Council be making a decision on March 17?
Response: They will be reviewing all the input received to date and give direction on how to
proceed.
Question: Does Parks and Recreation head this up? Was this their idea?
Response: Staff is responding to the City Council's direction.
Question: Can the decision be made on March 17 by the Council to proceed with building
this pool?
Response: The Council will be deciding whether or not to proceed to the
design/development phase of the project. They will have several opportunities to
stop the project up until the time bids are let.
Question: Would it be realistic that work could start this summer?
Response: That is possible should the Council decide to proceed.
Comment: Doesn't have a swimmer,however sees the need to incorporate lap swimming.
Youth
Question: Don't pools like this typically pay for themselves or make money?
Response: Pools like this commonly generate revenue. Some that are built with revenue
bonds have been able to pay back the bonds and construction costs. St. Louis Park,
for example had a net revenue of over$100,000 after it's first year of operation.
Comment: She and neighborhood are very much in favor of pool. They all agree that the
wading pool was a "teaser"and that there's a need for more. Although there seems
to be a lot of hostility towards a pool,she would love to live next to it. Would
rather see landscaping and a pool rather than a big brick building. Recently stayed
with friends in Sioux Falls who live next to a pool. They have not experienced
objectionable noise levels.
Youth
Comment: Some people are against this pool but most people are in favor. Maybe those
against it should step back and think about what is best for the whole community.
This would be a great place to recreate for everyone.
Comment: Our concern is for our property value. We think it will decrease because it is next
to a pool like this.
Response: A study just completed in Minneapolis cited that people surrounding parks
generally see an increase in their property value.
Comment: Families don't typically buy townhomes. Usually it is young couples or retired
folks,both of which would be concerned about the noise.
Response: The City will need to work with the neighbors surrounding the pool to see what
may help. Will explore landscaping and berming possibilities to help mitigate
concerns.
Question: In favor of pool. How does one express that support without being boisterous,
loud and redundant. Don't want to be calling Councilmembers every day and/or
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flooding them with letters to get point across. just want
to supply voice support
once.
Response: Comments are being documented this evening and will be passed on to the City
Council. Every comment received at City Hall will be forwarded onto the Council
as well.
Question: If pool is open until 9 p.m.will here be lights on?
Response: The design criteria have not been done for the pool as yet,however,code will
require some type of security lighting on the sight. The pool will not be open till
midnight,however.
Comment: Very much in favor of pool. Has the City met separately with the residents to the
east to address their concerns?
Response: The consultants were asked to be considerate of the residents'concerns during the
design process and once a design was completed everyone would have an
opportunity to respond to it. Thus,the informational meetings. Once the plan gets
farther along,there will be a meeting with the residents.
Comment: The noise is not going to be as big an issue as some may think. Having been
involved in the outdoor pool business for several years,this is a great site for a
facility of this type. The noise will be more controlled and confined than people
may think.
Question: (asked of residents to the east) What could the City do to make this better for you?
Response: Move it. Even if it could be moved away farther that would help. What will we
see from our deck?
Response: Based on the grades,when you look out your second story window you will be at
the same height as a 4 foot spruce that would be on top of the berm. The fencing
would be another 4 feet above that.
Comment: In favor of the pool and looking forward to using it. 25 meter lap pool is
inadequate-need a 50 meter with 8 lap lanes. Not interested in a lazy river.
Comment: In favor of pool. Eagan would be making a mistake in not adding more lanes to
the lap pool and the lazy river for older kids to use. What a great opportunity for
summer jobs. Suggest that the lap pool have 8lanes.
Comment: In the space available it may be cost prohibitive to do a 50 meter pool. Can the lap
lanes be increased to 8 with a 25 meter pool and then downsize the lazy river?
Response: If lazy river smaller,it won't accommodate the total 2,000 bather load. The
addition to the lap pool will not meet that total need.
Vraa thanked everyone for attending and meeting ended at 9:00 p.m.
Joanna Foote
From: peplhelp@mn.uswest.net
Sent: Friday, March 13, 1998 9:50 AM
To: ifoote@ci.eagan.mn.us
Subject: YES,WE WANT THE AQUATIC CENTER
Dear City Council,
Thank you for your consideration in building yet another enhancement for
Eagan. My family is in TOTAL SUPPORT of moving ahead and building the
aquatic center.
After attending this week's meeting and learning of such a plan,you are to
be congratulated on your efforts. This is the kind of idea that builds
cities, promotes pride,generates fellowship&community spirit, provides
entertainment&enjoyment for all-and takes away the poor reputation that
many politicians have because this shows they care about the community, not
their re-election status. Thank you.
Please make your decision in favor of building the aquatic center!
Sincerely,
Paul Hughes
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Joanna Foote
From: phihome@mn.uswest.net
Sent: Friday, March 13, 1998 9:42 AM
To: jfoote@ci.eagan.mn.us
Subject: WE SUPPORT Building The Eagan Aquatic Facility
Good Day,
Thank you for considering further enriching our community with the proposed
aquatic center. As a taxpayer(resident)of Eagan,our family is in TOTAL
SUPPORT of having such a facility.
We attended the town meeting this week and enjoyed learning more about the
aquatic center. We especially appreciate the fact that the funds are
already available for this project without an increase in taxes. While
there was some rather hostile objection from a few nearby residents at the
meeting, if assessed from a non-emotional perspective,this is yet another
well-planned enhancement for the Eagan community.
Thank you for this opportunity to inform you of our opinion. A concern we
have is that the people who were able to attend the meeting does not
represent a true depiction of the populous of Eagan. A majority of the
families who would support such a facility were not able to attend the
meeting for various reasons which include: it's late hour of conclusion
(most families had children in bed),other family activities with
conflicting schedules (sporting activities, music lessons,scouts, etc.),
and the need to have a baby-sitter to attend.
The meeting was a very good forum to communicate and address questions. I
am terribly disappointed, however,with the manner in which many people who
oppose such a facility conducted themselves at the meeting. Several of
them were very disrespectful and often were yelling, interrupting others,
not waiting until acknowledged and called upon to speak, making personal
attacks rather than dealing strictly with the issues, etc. While I attempt
to remain objective and non-emotional about such issues, I'm challenged in
understanding why people behave in the manner all those people who were
opposed did. Of those in support, none were disresptful of their fellow
citizens in asking questions.
Again,WE ARE IN TOTAL SUPPORT OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THE EAGAN AQUATIC
FACILITY. Please make your decision in favor of building such an
enhancement to the community. Eagan residents appreciate your efforts.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
Paul Hughes
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Joanna Foote
From: Daryle Petersen
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 1998 4:41 PM
To: jfoote@ci.eagan.mn.us
Subject: Pool Proposal
I just wanted to drop a line to say that I strongly favor Eagan building
the pool. As a father of two young children in a city that is populated
with young families, I say it is long overdue. I applaud the efforts of
the designer,the Park and Rec Staff for their vision and planning.
I strongly urge the City Council to vote in favor of this facility. While
it may not be ideal facility for all, it more than meets the needs of the
majority.
There will always be opposition to new endeavors such as this. It is
important to listen to those concerns, but it is also important that the
decision be based on the needs of the community as a whole.
I also am in strong favor of the city plowing the trailways during the
winter. This issue should be brought before a public forum for open
discussion. In addition, it is time our elected officials creatively
tackle such issues instead of blocking them with concerns of money and
liability. l want my representatives to seek solutions.
Sincerely,
Daryle Petersen
4126 Lantern Lane
Eagan, MN
Joanna Foote
From: Holly L.Nelson
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 1998 2:40 PM
To: jfoote@ci.eagan.mn.us
Subject: Eagan Family Aquatic Facility
Responding to your questionnaire:
1. What features of the plan do you like the most?
I like the concept of something for everyone and that it is geared
toward families. I especially like the slides,water play options and
the sun turf.
2. What's not in the plan that you think needs to be considered?
I like the concept of the drop slides into the deep water, but still
would like to have a regular diving board available for jumping and
diving.
3. Is there anything that concerns you about the plan?
The slide access is fairly remote and would like to see it more
centrally located as that is where the lines would develop. It could
also possible cut down on the noise to the Windcrest neighborhood. If
costs come into play,the slides could be reduced as they look rather
large. The dual slide at the Richfield pool is plenty adequate.
4. What would you change?
Not sure if the lazy river is needed, although a neat option. Other
than that, I think the other features are all necessary.
5. Comments.
The City of Eagan needs this facility. Schultz Lake is okay but so
limited. As a working parent, I don't always have time to drive my kids
to Richfield or Edina to go swimming. A facility five minutes from my
home would be great! Please approve as soon as possible so they can
enjoy it while they are still young. Being able to go swimming with
your friends is part of the fun of growing up.
I realize that there is the debate about doing an enclosed facility like
Shoreview. That has significant appeal to ma)amize use, but it isn't
the same as being outside. And when you live in Minnesota,you want to
enjoy the outdoors as much as you can. I don't want to come home from
work just to go back indoors- I want to be outside. There are plenty
of indoor facilities currently available to swim at-the YMCA,the
schools,other fitness clubs,etc. In addition,there are so many other
winter sports available that swimming is not necessarily a first choice
during the winter months.
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Joanna Foote
From: Hernicks
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 12:25 AM
To: jfoote@ci.eagan.mn.us
Subject: The Pool
Importance: High
Me and my family strongly support the Idea of a Eagan Pool. Even more
strongly we believe that there should be a tap pool for competitive
swimming.The investment would return and it would in prove the over all
pool area.
Thanks for listening,
David Hemick(13),
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Joanna Foote
From: CErick62
Sent: Wednesday,March 11, 1998 10:55 PM
To: ifoote@ci.eagan.mn.us
Subject: Proposed Eagan Aquatic Facility
Mayor Tom Eagan
City Council Members
Care of
Communications Specialist
Joanna Foote
I have seen the layout of the proposed aquatic park.. I must admit I am
very opposed to this plan. I live at 3861 Windcrest Ct. My property will
border this proposed facility.The fence will be within 30 feet of my deck!
I can not understand your ignorance to the concerns of the people that
will have to live nead to this facility. I am e)dremely upset that I have not
been contacted by the Mayor or Council members on this matter.As I
will be one of the people most affected by this proposal. Do you really
think that a fence is going to contain the noise from an eventual 3000
people?Those people will be sitting on that grass just the other side of
that fence! That means 3000 people within 200 feet of my property! No
fence no matter how high is going to contain that amount of noise!
I think this facility has much merit. But I do think more thought is needed
on this matter. I have definite concerns on this matter. I feel that other
sites need be considered. I also feel more input is needed from the public
that will have to live with this park. I do not see how you can put to vote
on March 17on wether or not to construct. I feel this project is being
railroaded through before the public realizes what has been done. Your
concern for the community is greatly appreciated by me. But please have
concern for me on this decision.. I have been a long time resident of this
community. I also hope to remain a long term resident of this community.
But this issue will affect my property value.That issue is very important
to me.As I am but a man of modest income. I cannot afford to lose value
in my home. I also cannot see how this proposed park could possible add
value to my home.The noise created by the volume of people that will
use this park will be deafening. Nobody in there right mind would want
to live this close to something of this magnitude. I do not see how any
member of the Council can vote yes on this issue without further
considerations to how this issue will affect City Halls Neighbors! Ask
yourselves how you would like to have this built this close to your
home?
Chritopher L Erickson
3861 Windcrest Ct.
Eagan MN 55123
Cerick62@prodigy.net
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Joanna Foote
From: Oestreich, Karl
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 5:18 PM
To: Foote,Joanna
Subject: Comments on aquatic facility
Comments on proposed Eagan aquatic facility
C/O Joanna Foote, City of Eagan
Tuesday,March 10, 1998
i'agree wholeheartedly with the proposed aquatic development for the
city of Eagan.The facility will provide hours of recreation for its
residents and should pay for itself quite easily. However, I do not
agree with the proposed location.
The Eagan Municipal Campus is already a congested area. City offices,
the Civic Ice Arena, and the Wescott branch of the Dakota County Library
already occupy the campus.The addition of a large-scale aquatic
facility will not only add to the congestion but could result in a noise
problem for nearby residents.
A far better location is the YMCA property in Eagan.According to an
article in the February 25th issue of the Eagan Sun Current,Tim
Staley,director of the Southwest YMCA expressed interest in placing the
pool on YMCA property adjacent to the existing facility.This location
would provide ample parking and noise levels would not be such a
problem.And supporters who favor the Municipal Center site because it
is"centrally located,"shouldn't outweigh the concerns for congestion
and noise. Claude Rogers, project designer for Water Technologies said
it best when he indicated in an article in the March 8th issue of Eagan
This Week: "in recent years we've observed that people have no problem
driving 15 to 20 minutes to get to a public pool."
If the larger aquatic facility is built on the municipal center campus,
Parks Director Ken Vraa said the wading pool would have to be removed.
That's another reason why the YMCA site is a better location.
Let's use common sense. Let's not shoe horn the aquatic facility on the
Municipal Center site.
Again, t support the development of the aquatic facility, but not on the
proposed Municipal Center site.
Thank you for considering my comments.
Karl Oestreich
800 Trotters Ridge
Eagan, MN 55123
456-1502 (w)
687-9747 (h)
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Joanna Foote
From: Messkit
Sent: Monday, March 09, 1998 10:13 PM
To: jfoote@ci.eagan.mn.us
Subject: Eagan Aquatic Facility
1. What features of the plan do you like the most ?
I think it is a nice outdoor facility. This is a long time coming.
2. What's not in the plan that you think needs to be considered ?
a. Possible hot tub area.
b. A designated bike rack area, to insure that kids can access the aquatic
facility,with a safe, orderly place to keep their bikes.The spot designated
in the presentation did not seem sufficient or planned for this use.
c. More walk way around the designated fenced facility. People will find a
short cut creating their own paths.
3. Is there anything that concerns you about the plan ?
a. When I was growing up, the pool I used had an attached baby/toddler pool.
This is what you are planning. When young children soiled their swim suits,
the pool would be closed for the day. With such a large open area for all
ages, are there separate barriers so that the entire aquatic facility would
not have to be closed ? Could the lap area or deeper depth areas be separated
by a barrier, so that people with no young children would not be prevented
from using the facility ? And to insure that it is designed mechanically to
remain in operation. Should there be a separate area for young children ?
Summer is too short in Minnesota to have a facility closed at random for an
entire community, because of one child.
4. What would you change ?
a. My experience with the lazy river is that it is something you do once or
twice, not a large repeat activity. The lazy river also uses a lot of
space. It is currently planned as an addition or second phase. By building
the "leisure pool area"and the lazy river, side by side, enlarging the
"leisure pool area" in lieu of building the lazy river does not seem to be a
viable option. I would like the design and design stages to be more flexible
for the needs of the community. Should the lazy river be planned to encircle
part of the facility ? Or, how about an option where the"leisure pool area"
and slides are expanded in phase two ? Two distinct facilities, seems to
lessen the flexibility.
b. I would like to see the 25 yard pool changed to a 25 meter pool. People
that do swim laps, would enjoy the length. Organized team swimmers would
find better use of the space. Teams very often rent space at the non-used
times of the day, early morning and later evening. It would provide
additional space for lessons. I know growing up,there were fun games that
required more and deeper water to play. I would also like to see additional
lanes, rather than the designated three lanes.
5. Comments
a. It is a very nice facility. 1 am not sure if the location is the best to
fit the needs of the community. My house is not next to the site. I wonder
if the pool should be located more central to the population.
b. The shared parking concept with the ice arena, reduces the need for
additional parking space. However, I look at all the ball parks, the amount
of green space allotted for their use, and the amount of time the fields
stand idle, and wonder if the aquatic facility is not being short changed.
Apple Valley is allotting a substantial amount of space, also using the shared
parking concept and doing a fine job. Community Center doesn't mean that all
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the facilities have to be in that close a proximity. However, the planned
site is much better than the YMCA offered location across a major road without
bike paths.
c. This facility appears to be planned for the 10 and under age group. This
facility should be a magnet for our young adults to meet safely and have fun,
too.
Carolyn Mestnik
3537 E. Widgeon Way
Eagan, MN
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Joanna Foote
From: CRobe14747
Sent: Monday, March 09, 1998 2:05 PM
To: jfoote@ci.eagan.mn.us
Subject: Pool feedback
I've been reading the local coverage on the aquatic facility, and I think it
would be a great addition to the community... but I disagree with spending
that kind of money to build an outdoor center in Minnesota,where we'd only
have use of it for about three months out of the year.
I believe the firm selected was also the one that created the site in Maple
Grove (?) I would much rather see an indoor facility like that one. Perhaps it
wouldn't be quite as large, or have as many bells and whistles... but it would
be a much more practical solution for this climate. I'd much prefer something
we could use year-round.
I hope you'll consider my feedback.
Carrie-Ann Roberts
527 Esk Lane, Eagan
Joanna Foote
From: Judy Kurdziel
Sent Friday, March 06, 1998 1:25 AM
To: jfoote@ci.eagan.mn.us
Subject: New pool!
I want to applaude the City Council for seeing the need for an outdoor
pool! I was surprised when I moved here from Ohio 6 years ago that the
only outdoor pool in the area is Redwood pool which is very small. On
very hot days, you have to wait in a huge line and may not get in
because of the limited capacity.
In an area with so many kids, a large beautiful pool with deluxe slides
and other amenities of a comprehensive aquatic facility would be a very
attractive addition to Eagan. It shows we care about families and it
will be a great place to take the kids in the summer. Some of my
fondest memories of childhood are from enjoying the sun and fun at the
nearby park. It was a beautiful facility, but didn't have a zero-depth
entry, as I understand this pool will--what a great idea!
I'll be very disappointed if we let anything stand in our way from
moving forward in such a positive way. You have my full support on
this, as I suspect you will from most other parents. This is a chance
to distinguish Eagan in a special way! Good work!
Judy Kurdziel
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Joanna Foote
From: Paul Leeder
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 1998 6:29 PM
To: jfoote@ci.eagan.mn.us
Subject: Community Pool Reply
Hello,
I attended the March 4th presentation of the preliminary plans for the
aquatic center. I found the plans for the facility are very exciting and I
believe the usage of the facility will be quite high. But I do have some
concerns:
1. The residential property is very close to the planned positioning of the
facility. I agree with the citizen that if Eagan does have other property
would it be able to place the facility there without building it as close to
existing residential buildings? (I live at least two miles away from the
proposed facility and am not concerned about noise.) Eagan should consider
the rights of all citizens not just the majority. The city should at least
be able to state that it did examine other property it owns for the facility
before proceeding.
2. As far as being close to the library- I don't believe the noise will be
a factor. I've used that library for many years and it's always been noisy.
I don't think anybody whispers in the library anymore.
3. I, too, find it hard to believe that sound levels haven't been estimated.
With over 200 facilities built-the consulting firm should be able to do a
measurement of similar sized parks- and report those results. Measuring
sound can be done objectively-whether the listener considers it noise or
not is subjective. Airplanes vs. pool noise IS subjective- but both can be
measured. If this can't or isn't done-the city should explain why not.
4. Another area I think that needs to be double-checked is parking capacity.
Again, with 200 facilities-the consultants should have a ratio of visitors
per car that use the park. That can be used to calculate the capacity
required. Also, I used to live close to the Burnsville Ice Center and that
facility had cars almost every day of the year- including the 4th of July.
And with the expansion of the ice arena in Eagan even more parking will be
used by those visitors.
Overall, I think the facility should go forward. I'm in favor of it and know
that with a new baby, my family would get it's use out of it. But,the city
should move carefully forward by considering and following up on the points
of those that oppose it-they are valid.
Paul Leeder
687-0001
4288 Gadwell Ct.
Eagan, MN 55122
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Joanna Foote
From: Dennis Peterson
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 11:52 PM
To: jfoote@ci.eagan.mn.us
Subject: Aquatic Facility
After reading some preliminary notes in the March 4 Sun-Current, I felt
it was necessary to comment. The "water in motion" parks that
Water Technology seems to be promoting are a good idea for long term
planning; but does Eagan want to build another"Wave Pool"with buses
and traffic from all over the metro constantly jamming our streets OR do
we want a facility that the taxpayers of
Eagan will use. It is our
strong feelings that the top priority should be a 25 meter-8 lane pool
with an adjoining zero depth pool that would be usable by all ages and
all levels of swimmers from tots to the most competitive. Eagan could
then begin to host swim meets like many cities as part of their annual
holiday (summer) festivities. If there is additional money
available-then the phases including the tubing could be added. Many
people will not agree to this pool if the minimum standards of a
competitive pool are not met. Instead of graniose plans that get voted
down, please get 'back to the basics." Thank you. Nancy Deans,
resident
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Joanna Foote
From: AAAZArmeli@webtv.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 10:00 AM
To: jfoote@ci.eagan.mn.us
Subject: Eagan Aquatic Facility
I am strongly in favor of the proposed EAF. I for one would be an avid
visitor to such a site. This would be a great way to unite the City of
Eagan. I will Never use the ice arena(s) and to have that pass and a
pool not pass, makes me wonder about the residents and the city council.
Eagan does not have a united school district. The middle school of
district 197 does not offer a pool for its students. A city pool is a
great idea and offers alot to the community.
I have visited with my family (sons ages 16, 11, 7) the Shakopee pool,
the Bloomington Pool, Beaver Mountain, the St. Croix water park,
Valleyfair water park, Wisconsin Apple River Tube Floating, and
Wisconsin Dells Water parks.
To offer the residents of Eagan, a water facility is a very exciting
adventure. Its proposal has to pass. It is too exuberant to avoid or
dismiss. I am willing to volunteer in any way to aid and assist in the
formation of such in all phases of its plan to passage at the council to
the completion of opening day. Please let me know who I may contact to
lend my helping hand to, and to leap on board this important walkway to
completion of the proposed Eagan Aquatic Facility.
Sincerely, Arlene Armeli
1374 Jurdy Road
Eagan, MN 55121 - resident since 1986
612/456-0301
Feel free to contact me in any way. Thank you.
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Joanna Foote
From: KAPING.NORMA@MINNEAPOLIS.VA.GOV
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 11:07 AM
To: KAPING.NORMA@MINNEAPOLIS.VA.GOV;jfoote@CI.EAGAN.MN.US
Subject: family aquatic park
I think this is a wonderful idea. My daughter was in swimming in grade
school and junior high and this would have been a real asset at that time.
As an Eagan resident, I support this proposal.
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Joanna Foote
From: Zenner, Paul
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 1998 11:13 AM
To: Eagan Parks and Rec
Subject: Proposed Eagan Aquatic Facility
The proposed Aquatic Facility in Eagan is a great idea and cannot be ready soon enough! The
only issue I have with the construction of such a facility is the potential downsizing of the plans. I
do not think that the facility will be big enough to handle all of the young families that will want to
use it. We too often get conservative with such projects and end up paying a lot more later with
add ons to meet the demands of the community.
The cost of building a large first rate facility will easily pay for itself and when you amortize the
additional costs of making it one of the biggest and best in the metro over the next 20 years, the
cost differences disappear. I am a strong supporter of building it big, going 1st class and doing it
all right away. Waiting to build the lazy river will only increase the cost of the overall project and
reduce the facility's entertainment value. Be brave!This project can't miss.
Sincerely,
Paul Zenner
927 Waterford Drive East
Eagan, MN 55123
(612)686-9382
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Joanna Foote
From: DGAGE1234 [DGAGE1234@aol.com] on behalf of DGAGE1234
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 1998 3:19 PM
To: jfoote@ci.eagan.mn.us
Subject: Municipal Pool
A municipal pool is long overdue in Eagan. I grew up in a community half the size of Eagan and
going to our municipal pool nearly everyday of the summer for either swim lessons and/or open
swim has left me many wonderful memories. We have been waiting for this day for 7 years. It is
very frustrating to drive to other communities and pay a fee for their municipal pool IF we can get
in. I was back home one week last summer and took my children to my hometown's (Neenah,
Wisconsin) NEW municipal pool!! They tore down the old one and built a beautiful facility. The
new facility is very similar to the one in St. Louis Park. Neenah's population is still less than
Eagan and they are on their second municipal pool. I believe the pool paid or has nearly paid for
itself in user fees. The number of seasons passes sold has far exceeded their expectations. We
can not believe the community of Eagan cannot or will not support a municipal pool. It could be
such a healthy outlet for our children and a wonderful outing for a family. Are we not trying to
promote positive and healthy opportunities for our children and families? We are so much in
favor of this center- GO FOR IT!
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Joanna Foote
From: MGSSRS [MGSSRS@aol.com] on behalf of MGSSRS
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 1998 10:52 AM
To: jfoote@ci.eagan.mn.us
Subject: Eagan Pool
I am very excited that the city of Eagan is finally seriously considering an outdoor pool! We have
lived here in Eagan for 10 years now and, with two small children, have always wondering why a
city like Eagan, swarming with families with children, does not have the fundamental outdoor
swimming pool. My children love the wading pool, but at ages 3 and 6,they are quickly
outgrowing it. I support the new pool 100% and can't wait to see it happen!
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Joanna Foote
From: Flanne1374 [Flannel374@aol.com] on behalf of Flanne1374
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 1998 8:05 AM
To: jfoote@ci.eagan.mn.us
Subject: Water Park
To Whom It May Concern,
I read with dismay in this weeks editon of`Eagan This Week'about the proposed water park. It is
not clear to me why Eagan needs such a facillity. At a projected cost of$4.5 mil to $7mil it is
abundantly clear that some sort of bond will have to be passed to finance the construcion. If you
think that I am naieve enough to believe that my taxes arent going to increase then you are
mistaken. As I see it this is just another project that is being pushed by a vocal minority of the
residents and by big buisness. Something similar to the new community center that kept geting
turned down time and again until people got tired of hearing about it and it finally passed. In the
same edition of'This Week'on the opinion page there was a letter about the city not clearing the
snow off of the sidewalks. It is unfortunate that a city that prides itself on the quality of life that it
maintains for its residents seems to go out of its way to spend millions on the amenities whial
overlooking something so simple. And this is just one example. How many traffic accidents are
there at the many 4 way stop signs every month? I for one would rather see my tax money spent
on the publics welfare than on the city of Eagans immage.
Sincerly,
Dale Wolslayer
Eagan.
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Joanna Foote
From: Larry Christensen [larrychr@concentdc.net] on behalf of Larry Christensen
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 1998 10:59 AM
To: jfoote@ci.eagan.mn.us
Subject: Proposed Water Paris at Municipal Center
Our family has lived in Eagan, at 3896 Denmark Avenue, since February 1986. As residents, and
potentially Gose neighbors,we are strongly opposed to the proposed water park near the
municipal center. Our reasons are as follows:
Noise- Large numbers of children near a residential area in the summer with the windows open.
This could rival the airplanes for distraction, erosion of property values and difficulty in finding
buyers for homes.This type of facility needs a buffer area whose size and shape should be
determined by modeling the noise to be generated on a typical day.This modeling should be
done as part of a selection process for a site if the facility is to built.This is certainly not the type
of facility that should be retrofit onto an existing property simply because it is available.
Planning -We believe that this type of attraction is not in keeping with the idea of a municipal
center. The facilities currently located there (with the exception of the arena) are municipal
functions, city offices, library, police department etc. While these are not residential,they are not
the types of facilities you would hesitate to live near. Based on the traffic surges,the arena is a bit
more of a problem and the proposed water park is in a completely different league.That is, a
facility that you would actively avoid in looking for a new home.
Traffic-With the current level of development at the municipal center, there is already significant
traffic in the area. Problems will include safety (lots of children and lots of cars), noise although
the noise made by the kids will probably drown out noise made by the cars,air pollution due to
increased levels of carbon monoxide and slower movement based on congestion, and increasing
difficulty in pulling out onto Pilot Knob or Wescott.
Fairness-The people who built or bought homes in this area had some reason to expect that the
neighborhood would remain residential in character.The city had done a good job in putting
together a plan for development.That plan did not envision "Water World" so near a residential
neighborhood. The airport has noise corridors,this type of facility should have similar areas,
probably in concentric circles in which there are no residences. As a comparison, most people do
not find a pasture with cattle offensive, in fact, it is probably relaxing to view. Now increase the
concentration of cattle to a feedlot and you have a major political battle shaping up in Minnesota
over the odors and the environmental problems. Similarly, most people don't mind the sounds of
children playing in or near their yards. Now increase the number of children and concentrate them
in a relatively small area and the noise levels become intolerable in a residential neighborhood.
Loss of Park Land-As currently configured, there is a strip park (which includes ponds, brush,
trees and open areas)which is more of less contiguous from Lexington (Patrick Eagan park)
through our neighborhood to Pilot Knob. Given the size, shape and diversity of ecological
systems of this park we get deer, coyotes,fox and lots of birds, including woodland, aquatic and
open area species. This type of park is as valuable and necessary to a city as the developed
parks for structured human activities. People need natural areas and wildlife to counteract the
stress inherent to life in a large city.These areas also make neighborhoods more desirable and
augment property values.
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Joanna Foote
From: PJN3 [PJN3@aol.com] on behalf of PJN3
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 1998 12:24 PM
To: jfoote@ci.eagan.mn.us
Subject: Swimming Pool
My family support the swimming pool, including:
Pat, Kathe, Megan, Sarah, Caitlin
It has been way to long that a community the size of Eagan does not have a public swimming
pool. In a couple of years, my children won't care as they will be too old to use A.
Pat Nolan
3673 Wescott Hills Drive
Eagan, MN 55123-2291
Joanna Foote
From: TCAV2[TCAV2@aol.com] on behalf of TCAV2
Sent: Friday, February 27, 1998 11:31 AM
To: jfoote@ci.eagan.mn.us
Subject: public swimming pool
To whom it may concern,
We have been residents of Eagan for 12 years and have driven our family to Edina, Bloomington,
and Apple Valley to swim. What is different about those communities? They have that old-
fashioned small town feel to them,they have a place for kids to go that is Gose to home,their
kids grow up with great memories of all the days they spent at the pool with family, friends, etc..
Eagan has a public library, public ice arena-civic center, a city municipal center,just like the
communities I listed above. What's missing?A community pool for all to enjoy. Even the
smallest towns in MN,So.Dak.,lowa have community pools. A pool is not only accepted and
enjoyed by tax paying residents, it is expected. Please don't throw this pool proposal out
because of a few disgruntled residents. Maybe the Windcrest Neighborhood would settle for a
privacy fence of some sort so they wouldn't have to look out at a parking lot. Maybe some extra
landscaping provided by the city would help them to accept the facility being built at the proposed
location. C'mon Windcrest residents, do you really believe you wouldn't enjoy using the pool?
Don't you enjoy having the library within walking distance? Think abou it.
Thank you for considering my letter. an Eagan Mom whose tired of driving all over the metro
area to go swimming outdoors.
Joanna Foote
From: JLyons4261 [JLyons4261 @aol.com] on behalf of JLyons4261
Sent: Friday, February 27, 1998 8:17 PM
To: jfoote@ci.eagan.mn.us
Subject: Proposed Eagan Aquatic Facility
To whom it may concern:
We support the the construction of a swimming pool in Eagan.
Our family currently goes to another city (Richfield)to enjoy an outside swimming facility during
the summer. A closer facility would be appreciated. We prefer to spend our money in Eagan and
feel this would be an asset to Eagan for many years.
John and Dawn Lyons
4245 Braddock Trail
Eagan, MN 55123
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Joanna Foote
From: Kathleen Murphy
Sent: Friday, February 27, 1998 12:41 AM
To: jfoote@ci.eagan.mn.us
Subject: Proposed Eagan Aquatic Facility
I am writing in support of the proposed Eagan Aquatic Facility. I
think the city is right on target with the barometer of the city
and researching new facilities that young families can use in Eagan.
Having a family with two small children, we have used the wading pool
many times during the last two years. This has become one of their
favorite activity on hot summer days. The city has to weigh the pros and
cons where a facility of this type should be located. The city should
also take into account the central location in the city and the ideal
location of the Municipal Center campus. We fully support this location
and project.
Sincerely,
Brian Murphy
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Joanna Foote
From: Tim Campbell [goblue@minn.net]on behalf of Tim Campbell
Sent: Friday, February 27, 1998 10:24 PM
To: jfoote@ci.eagan.mn.us
Subject: Propose Eagan Aquatic Facility
Yes, Yes, Yes, for the facility!! We have lived here for almost 3 years. We have a 10 year old
and a 7 year old. I think that is the only thing Eagan is missing. I know in our Fairway Hills
Development, everyone is in favor of a pool. We almost started a petition on something
ourselves. I plan to attend the meeting on the 10th. Keep up the good work and keep Eagan
growing the family way!!
Tim Campbell
1382 St. Andrew Blvd
Eagan, MN. 55123
(612) 405-9674
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Joanna Foote
From: mike schlax
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 1998 3:42 PM
To: jfoote@ci.eagan.mn.us
Subject: Eagan's water world
Mayor and Members of the Council: You just have to spend that money, right?
Well if you absolutely have to fix the streets, improve the drinking water,
plow the bloody snow off the trail system, but a water park--that's the
most insane yet! What will that be used, 60 days a year tops, utterly
stupid. I know you have this lust to keep up with the Jones'but just
because St. Louis Park has one doesn't mean Eagan has to have one. Really
bad idea let it die. Save my tax money!
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Joanna Foote
From: grindmach@juno.com
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 1998 9:20 PM
To: jfoote@ci.eagan.mn.us
Subject: Eagan Aquatic Comments
We are very excited that the City of Eagan is interested in constructing a outdoor pool for it's
residents. We have frequently visited other outdoor pools. We feel there are several features
that make a pool like this successful:
1. Create a enormous pool so everyone has room to swim and play. It is better to have extra
space than to have to tum potential customers away. Please don't cut costs by reducing the
size.
2. Have a zero depth so the pool is easily accessible, even by the physically challenged.
3. Provide a large section of two to four foot depths so children can increase their comfort level
with swimming. Lifeguards and swimming instructors may thank you.
4. We like the idea of having water slides and diving boards. Though, if we had to chose one
over the other, a water slide would be our choice. We see a lot of families taking advantage
of the water slides.
5. We would like to see the Eagan pool the size of the Bloomington pool but even larger to
accommodate the volume of Eaganites. Bloomington has two water slides, diving boards
and a lot of space for swimming. We feel more two to four feet levels should be included in
the Eagan pool.
Thanks for informing us that you want resident's comments. Though, I would like to see some of
the layouts and designs that are being examined. Please include this information and more
specific details on size and placement in the next article in THIS WEEK. The lack of details in the
past few articles were disappointing. We have very talented Eagan residents and would love to
play an active role in the family aquatic facility.
The Petersons
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Joanna Foote
From: dancare
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 1998 8:10 PM
To: jfoote@ci.eagan.mn.us
Subject: Municipal Pool
To whom it may concern,
I, as a citizen of Eagan, am in favor of a pool. I feel certain that our
city can support the facility.I know that our family of four would use
it!
Sincerely,
Daniel Olson
1961 Beaver Dam Ct.
Eagan,Mn. 55122
454-9314
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Joanna Foote
From: Nancy&Gary Blasberg
Sent: Monday, February 23, 1998 10:51 PM
To: J Foote
Subject: Pool
To Whom it may concern;
am an eight year resident of Eagan. During the entire time I
have lived here a community pool has been debated. For the last 5 years I
have written checks to the City of Bloomington each summer so that my
children could enjoy an outdoor pool. These checks total nearly$500.00.
My understanding is that the city's own surveys indicate that a substantial
majority of residents favor the construction of a pool. Frankly I think
this construction is long overdue. A pool serves the needs of old and
young, male and female, sports-minded and sedentary. It would provide a
positive and healthy place for children and young adults and gather and
socialize. Other communities have teamed up with Lifetime Fitness to
provide a pool for the community, has this option been explored?
Regardless, I urge you to make the construction of a community pool a
priority. THis endless debate and discussion has gone on too long, my
children are growing and I'm tired of driving to other communities, and
paying a premium to those communities so that my children can enjoy an
activity that thousands of smaller communities have had for a long time.
Thank you.
Nancy Day Blasberg
1610 Murphy Parkway
Eagan MN 55122-1753
688-9075
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Proposed Eagan Aquatic Facility
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Eagan MN 55122
Dear Sir/Madam,
I would be in favor of an outdoor swimming pool in Eagan. I can remember the fun we used to have
back in the early 70's at the"old" Highland Pool in St. Paul. Now my children, ages 13 & 12, swim at
the"new"Highland Pool in the summer when they visit their grandparents in St.Paul.
Based upon my limited knowledge of the"new"Highland Pool (never having swam there myself), I feel
one issue that needs to be addressed in planning the Eagan facility is parking. It seems that there are
never enough spaces allowed for any of the buildings/facilities that are plan4d(ex. Schools, library).
Depending on the Eagan pool location, my children could ride their bikes (please include enough bike
racks); however, I would still prefer to drop them off and pick them up from the pool, if I am not able to
attend with them and if not conveniently located to our home.
My 12 year old suggested that you allow enough enough table space/eating area when they want to
take a break from swimming.
How about locating the pool facility on the vacant land at the SE comer of So. 149 and Yankee Doodle
Road? The stop lights are already in and it would be better than another trucking facility in the
neighborhood.
Yours truly,
Georgia Hoffman
500 Rolling Hills Circle
Eagan MN 55121
452-4315
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MARCH 4 AND MARCH 10, 1998
1. What features) of the plan do you like the mast?
The variety of activities that are available for family enjoyment. Also
the zero-depth allom parents to be with younger children without
disturbing the other patrons, such as you find in the typical retangular pool.
2. What's not In the plan that you think needs to be considered?
I Is there anything that concerns you about the plan?
Traffic into and around this area. I an concerned that their may be too
much congestion, even with the right in/out only, especially during the
late afternoon, -early evening rush hours.
4. What would you change? At the meet ing I attended, a woman brought out the
point that the entrance ialiy
with small children. I agree and think maybe the entrance could be more centrally
located, or a second entrance cou f
area.
S. COMMenta: I do have two additional concerns about this project. First
is the noise impact on the surronding neighborhoods, especially the people Ufto
Live NO behind the Center. I think the nose can be mnimized through
the arongr use of bernting and effective landscaping. My second concern is
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Security. 1 grew up in Richfield and remember wren they opened their
pool. Within a month, the grassy areas surrounding the pool were closed
to anyone under the age of 21 years, as they were having too many
problems with the Teen-age and younger crowd. I would hate to see the'
City go through all of this and then we would have to do the some with
our grassy areas.
I an in favor of this project. 21tere may be some concerns, especially
by the surrounding neighbors, but nothing that cannot to overcome.
I feel that the project should be completed all at once, not only for
the financfal reasons, but this would also ensure that there would be no
disruption in the Centers schedule at a future date. I feel that the
majority of the people in Eagan, would say that this has been the one
thing lacking in our Community. This will provide sumer jobs for our
High-schoolers, a pleasurable optionto say McDonald's, better hours
and a suntan too!
The thing that all of the Swimning pools or Aquatic Centers have in
common is that they at do get used. I think you would be hard pressed
to find an empty one on a July day when the temperature is 90!
Sincerely yours
Charles Thorkildson
510 Rolling hills Circle
Eagan, Minnesota 55121
R-96% 03-13-98 09: 38AM P002 #28
3830 Pilot Knob Road
Eagan, MN 55122-1897
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Proposed Eagan Aquatic Facility
3380 Pilot Knob Road
Eagan,MN 55122
Cathy Kreamer
1290 Windcrest Avenue
Eagan,MN 55123
612/454-0950
To Whom it May Concern:
I have a number of comments and concerns regarding the Aquatic Park plans underway by the City of
Eagan. Facts of the planning phases have come to me only through the local Eagan Newspaper,and
through no other source. So,please understand if I should have any misconceptions.
Following you will find the facts as I currently see them,and my concerns.
1.) A survey was sent to select Eagan residents,asking them to choose which of several projects would
best serve their interests,one of which was the Aquatic Park. Replies from the survey indicated that of the
choices given,the Aquatic Park was the best received and of most interest to those surveyed.
Concern: Replying to a survey as to which of several choices most interests those surveyed,does not
compute to a"yes"vote by those surveyed. Was it clear to those who replied that the information would be
interpreted in this manner? If not,this is gross misrepresentation of the matter. What percentage of our
Eagan residents received the survey,and how many replied? I never saw a copy of the survey,and was not
asked to participate.
2.) The developer of the Aquatic Park Project was asked by our City Administration to present a proposal
to the City of Eagan in the 4 million dollar range. The Developer came back with a plan for a production
cost of over 7.1 million dollars, nearly twice the cost Eagan administrators were asking for. Yet,our city
administrators are considering this 7 million dollar pricetag. Being built in phases does not decrease the 7.1
million dollar pricetag down to the 4 million dollar range.
Concern: As with any budget,doubling the cost of such a project, and implementation of such a plan needs
long and careful consideration by Eagan administrators. Two or three meetings cannot take into
consideration the ramifications the would follow a project of this magnitude. Bigger is not always better,
in spite of the wonderful results of the Mall of America. Have you taken enough time to consider the
hidden costs of this larger facility should you decide to go ahead with a"yes"vote 8 days from now?
3.) Council members and staff "talked"about the need to prohibit parking in the Windcrest area
cul-de-sac and to prevent back gate admittance if the project is approved as designed.
Concern: Talking about the need to prohibit parking and preventing back gate admittance MUST result in
a firm commitment to these concerns. There must be a commitment to preserving the peace and tranquility
experienced by residents of the Windcrest area. Anything less is a disservice to the Windcrest taxpayers.
The vague term"talked about"does not appear anywhere else in the Aquatic Park plans. All other aspects
of the plan seem to use the words"will include". Let's apply this to the parking and admittance plans as
well. There should be no room for debate on these issues in the initial planning stages.
4.) A cyclone fence enclosing the park would be just 8 feet tall,and in spite of a burro, 14 feet of the
largest slide and tower will be visible from the Windcrest homes. Not only is the largest tower visible,
but the tower will be only 100 feet from the property lines and 130 feet from the homes.
Concern: Since the City of Eagan is considering a Park proposal with a pricetag nearly double that
originally solicited for,would it not be practical and realistic that in turn,more dollars be invested to
protect the surrounding residential areas from the sounds and sights of 3,000 people daily,playing within
100 feet of their property line? I only ask that you consider the impact of a project of this magnitude in
your own personal neighborhood. This project is contrary to all the wonderful park planning and
pleasing environmental considerations given to each and every other neighborhood in the City of Eagan.
Windcrest residents deserve and are paying for the same quality of living that other Eagan residents,
including yourselves,expect and enjoy. It is unfair to assume that because only a handful of residents are
affected, it is acceptable to invade their privacy and rape the environment for which they paid dearly in
mortgage payments and tax dollars. Again,what would you expect for yourselves and your own family if
you were a Windcrest resident,or if a 7 million dollar park was planned 100 feet from your property line.
Think about this carefully,and reconsider the need to create a park project of this magnitude, adjacent to
residential taxpayers' property lines. How will you protect these taxpayers with an 8 foot cyclone fence,
and a burn that is 14 feet lower than the highest recreation point in the park? This is not acceptable.
5.) With a bather capacity of 3,000 daily,there are plans for 164 additional parking spaces besides the
available parking at the Municipal Center.
Concern: There is no mention of total number of parking spaces that will be available upon completion of
the final development phase,allowing for 3,000 bathers. It appears that there will be well below 500
spaces. How will this impact the entire residential environment,not only in terms of parking,but in terms
of traffic flow and noise pollution throughout the entire Pilot Knob and Wescott area. A loop road is
planned for a drop off area,but no mention is made of a parking overflow area should one be required for
3,000 bathers daily. How will you plan for overflow parking before the need arises? Can you guarantee
now that the Windcrest residential areas will be permanently protected from this encroachment as well?
My last concern surrounds the magnitude of this $7 million project. Realistically,and practically speaking,
can this be justified when you consider the kinds of summers we Minnesotans experience? It is not
unusual for Minnesota summers to begin in July and end in August. Two years ago my sister, who lives in
Inver Grove Heights, was able to use her swimming pool just twice the entire season. Costs of just
maintaining and operating a small residential swimming pool are enormous in terms of chemicals and energy
output for heating,etc. Consider the costs of maintaining swimming and pool facilities that could go
unused an entire season. With the cyclical weather patterns in Minnesota,there will be years when little
usage will result in huge cost overruns.
In closing, please look closely at all these points I mention. Although my residence is not immediately
adjacent to the park project,I think I speak for many taxpayers living in surrounding neighborhoods who
will be impacted by a project of this magnitude. You might be very wise to go back to your original $4
dollar figure,or,better yet,consider a proposal that can be used year round, that does not negatively
impact the environments of local taxpayers. Being a"moneymaker" may be impressive in terms of our
current societal standards, but aesthetically and practically,this is a very unimpressive. It seems with the
high taxes we pay in Eagan you should forego the need to build parks of this magnitude to generate
income. You should instead be concentrating your time and energy on spending the high tax dollars we
pay toward facilities we can use year round that don't sacrifice even one person's peace and solitude, and
that don't risk becoming white elephants at the taxpayers'expense.
Please spend our tax money wisely,and don't lose perspective of all that we have accomplished thus fare in
preserving the peaceful environment all Eagan residents have come to know and expect. Thank you for
your consideration of my concerns,and a reply would be appreciated.
Cathy Kt#er
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