08/18/1977 - City Council RegularMINUTES OF A REGULAR MEETING OF.THE ADVISORY PARK COMITTEE
August 18, 1977
A regular meeting of the Eagan Advisory Park Committee was
held at 7:30 P.M. at the Eagan City Hall on August 18, 1977. Those
members present were Chairperson Lundsten, Thursten, Coates,
Martin, Roszak, Brown and Hagen. Also present were City Administra-
tor Tom Hedges, City Engineer Keith Gordon and City Planner John
Voss. Absent were Committee Members Beck, Cooper and Seurer and
also absent was Park Director Barb Schmidt.
EAGAN STADIUM SITE. Mr. E. E. Parranto appeared and informed
the Park Advisory Committee that the City could receive up to 50
acres of property located adjacent to the Eagan stadium site if
that site is approved for the location of a new metropolitan sports
facility stadium. Mr. Parranto stated that there is an area
adjacent to the Eagan stadium site that contains several clear
water ponds that are desirable for park dedication. He further
stated that the clear water ponds must be retained to meet regula-
tions set forth by the Department of Natural Resources. City Planner
John Voss reported on the concept of park land dedication and
development of the Eagan stadium site area. He stated that currently
the City of Eagan does not have a park dedication policy for
commercial and industrial property and therefore it is difficult
to establish a policy concerning park land dedication for the pro-
posed Eagan stadium site. The City Administrator stated that the
City Council did take action to support a proposal in connection
with the dedication of 50 acres for park purposes out of the total
470 acres owned by the Dayton Company in the area of the stadium
August 18, 1977
site, however, the action was subject to final consideration by
the Park Advisory Committee. After further discussion of the
matter and in a motion by Roszak, seconded by Coates, and unanimously
approved the following Resolution:
"WHEREAS, the City of Eagan Advisory Park Committee held
a meeting on August 18, 1977; and
WHEREAS, the City of Eagan City Council has endorsed
the E.E. Parranto metropolitan sports facility stadium site
location in the City of Eagan on Dayton -Hudson property
generally located in Section 1; and
iTHEREAS, the City of Eagan City Council in a regular
meeting held on August 16, 1977 directed the Eagan Park
Advisory Committee to review a Proposal to dedicate land
for park purposes out of a total 470 acres presently owned
by the Dayton -Hudson Company in the area of the proposed
Eagan stadium site;
NOW THEREFORE BE IT HEREBY RESOLVED by the Eagan
Advisory Park Committee that if the Metropolitan Sports
Facility Commission selects the Dayton -Hudson site located in
the City of Eagan as a stadium site, the Park Advisory
Coirsaittee of the City of Eagan will cooperate with the owner
of the site and the Metropolitan Sports Facilites Commission
in accordance with the park dedication policy of the City of
Eagan and Minnesota State Law,
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that any land dedication should
be outside of the 250 acres selected for the stadium site.
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APPROVAL - PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS FOR PARK DEVELOPMENT.
Mr. John Voss, City Planner, appeared and presented the final plans
and specifications along with cost estimates for the four parks
that are scheduled for development in 1977-1978. He stated the
four parks are Well Site Park, Northview Athletic Field, Pilot
Knob Park and South Oaks Park. The first park that was to be re-
viewed was South Oaks Park. Mr. Keith Gordon, representing the
consulting firm of Bonestroo, Rosene and Anderlik, appeared and
presented all the slope, drainage and grading plans that are
proposed for the development of South Oaks Park. Mr. Voss reviewed
the plans and specifications for the sand lot that is proposed
for the South Oaks Park. Chairperson Lundsten stated that she
was concerned about the posts that are proposed for defining the.sand
lot. fir. Voss explained that the posts were designed into the plan
to first, define the perimeter of the park land and second, to
provide a definite boundary for maintaining the park land. The
second plans and specifications to be reviewed were for the
development of Pilot Knob Park. Mr. Gordon explained that it will
be necessary to fill a_small area of marsh at the north end of
the Pilot Knob Park to provide for the trail crossing which is
planned as a part of the development. There was discussion re-
garding the feasibility of providing a vehicle gate opposed to an
additional locked pedestrian gate. After considerable discussion
on the matter, it was the recommendation of the committee that the
vehicle gate concept be eliminated because of the additional cost
and also the potential damage that could be caused by a maintenance
vehicle driving on the surface of a tennis court. It is recommended
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that two gates be installed as a part of the proposed tennis court
complex, one gate with baffles and one gate would remain locked
if this concept is acceptable to the Park Maintenance Foreman.
The third development plans and specifications to be reviewed were
for Well Site Park. Mr. Voss discussed the detailed plans
and specifications for the proposed construction of a hockey rink
at Well Site Park. He stated that removable board gates were
recommended for the proposed hockey rink. He also discussed the
temporary location of a ball diamond at the future water treatment
plant site. The level of the parking lot was discussed by fir.
Gordon in detail. The matter of the removable board gates was
referred to the Park Department Foreman for his recommendation.
The fourth park development plan is for Northview Athletic Field.
The final plans and specifications were presented by Mr. Gordon
specifically discussing grading plans and commenting on elevations
for the recommended park improvements. Tor. Voss recommended that
Northview Athletic Field be seeded with 508 perennial rye and
50% perennial bluegrass. Committee Member Roszak asked the
Engineer if there were any cost estimates available for a watering
and irrigation system. Mr. Gordon stated that a watering and
irrigation systera for Northview Athletic Field would cost in excess
of $100,000 and in addition there are no City water lines available
for water access. Committee Member Hagen recommended that the
City include a specific guarantee in the specifications that a
certain percentage of the seeding will germinate. He further
stated that the watering could be bid as an alternate by the con-
tractor or allow the City crews to water the seeded areas at
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Northview Athletic Field. Mr. Voss also stated that the roadway
connecting Lexington Ave. with Northview Athletic Field is
proposed as a 30 foot wide access road. After final discussion
on the plans and specifications for the development of the four
aforementioned park sites, a motion was made by Coates, seconded
Martin, all members voting in favor, that the plans and specifi-
cations for the development of South Oaks Park, Pilot Knob Park,
Well Site Park and Northview Athletic.Field Park be approved
subject,tb final review by the Park Department personnel and the
Park Advisory Committee Chairperson.
HILLTOP ESTATES. A brief discussion was held concerning the
park dedication requirements for Hilltop Estates as proposed by
the developer, Mr. Ed Dunn. City Planner, Mr. John Voss, presented
the concept and development plans for a trail easement which is a
part of the proposed development of Hilltop Estates preliminary
plat. He stated that the developers are requesting park land
dedication credit for the trails if accepted by the Park Advisory
Committee. Park Committee 'Member Roszak stated that there is no
policy to allow park dedication credit for the development of
trails and to avoid future precedence a special resolution should
be written to justify the reason for the trail designation as a
part of the Hilltop Estates development.
CARLSON DRIVEWAY --OAK CHASE PARK LAND DEDICATION. ?r. Dale
Runkle, the City's Zoning Administrator and City Planner, presented
four proposals proposed to resolve the Oak Chase park land dedica-
tion issue and also provide a new driveway access to Ur. Arnold
Carlson who resides adjacent to the proposed park land area on
Wilderness Run Road. Mr. Runkle stated that the first proposal
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• Wgust 18; 1977
represents a proposal presented to the City by the developer.
Mr. Jim Frisbee. The other three proposals show various alternatives
as to how the City and developer can exchange park land and platted
lots in the Oak Chase development to provide more continuity for
the park land and also allow road and utility access to certain
lots which are proposed for development by Mr. James Frisbee.
Mr. Frisbee's original request and the four staff proposals are
as follows;
Mr. Frisbee is requesting to purchase the southern 75' of
Lot 6 consisting of 16,050 square feet or .37 acre and the western
20' of Lot 6 for a driveway into the land locked Lots of 5 and 6.
He is also requesting to purchase the western portion of Lot 5,
This consists of 9,630 square feet or .22 acre. The total amount
Mr. Frisbee is requesting is .59 acre. In his proposal all that
he owns behind the park is still land locked and the only access
provided is by a private drive.
The Alternate I proposal consists of trading a portion of the
park property for a portion of Mr. Frisbee's property. The park
land to be traded would consist of the eastern portion of Lot 6,
214' x 200' or .98 acre. Mr. Frisbee's land would consist of the
western portion of Lot 5 or approximately .65 acre. The result of
this trade would make the two land locked lots accessible and have
frontage on Wilderness Run Road.
The Alternate II proposal consists of trading a larger portion
of park land for a larger portion of Mr. Frisbee's land. The
park land which would be traded are the eastern portions of Lot
5 and 6 consisting of 2.18 acres. The land Mr. Frisbee would
trade is -the western portion of Lot 1 and 2, Block 2 in Oak Chase
Third Addition. This land would consist of approximately 2.0
acres. The land trade would be fairly even in acreage and Would
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also solve the problem of the land locked lot. In this proposal
the land locked lot would now have access and frontage on wilderness
Run Road.
Alternate III consists of trading the same amount of Por.
Frisbee's land as stated in Alternate II, but increasing the amount
of park land south of Oak Chase Road would not be worth maintaining.
Alternate III would consist of trading the remaining park land
south of Oak Chase Road, which is an additional 1.17 acres for a
.18 acre parcel of land in Lot 5, Block 2, Oak Chase 3rd Addition.
This would give access from the park to the overview of the pond.
Mr. Frisbee would be gaining additional acreage and would allow
him one more buildable lot.
Mr. Curtin, a member of the Park Commission, introduced
a fourth alternative. This proposal consisted of trading the
south 100' of Lot 6, (.45 acre) Oak Chase 1st Addition and the
east 200' of Lot 2, Block 2 (.91 acre) of Oak Chase 3rd Addition for
the northwest portion of Lot 5 and the west portion of Lot 6
(.52 acre). It was also stated the acreage difference between
the trade would be made up in a cash contribution. This
alternative would also make two land locked lots accessible and
have frontage on wilderness Run Road, plus save some flat active
park land.
After consideration of the various proposals and in a motion
by Committee Member Coates, seconded by Roszak, the staff was
directed to present proposal number two as the Park Advisory Commit-
tee recommendation to the Oak Chase developer: Mr. James Frisbee.
The motion failed on a four to three vote. Committee Member
Martin reviewed proposal number four in detail and stated this
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particular proposal is in the best interest of the City of Eagan
and also to the developer, 11r. James Frisbee. After further dis-
cussion on the various proposals and in a motion by Martin, seconded
by Brown, all members voting in favor, the Eagan City staff was !
directed to present alternate number four as the Park Advisory
Committee recommendation to Mr. James Frisbee, the developer of
the Oak Chase area.
Mr. Frisbee was not present at this meeting so the Park
Committee could not receive any feedback from Mr. Frisbee on the
four alternatives. The Park Committee made a motion that Barb
Schmidt and Dale Runkle proceed to contact Mr. Frisbee regarding
alternate four and report back at the next meeting.
PARK DEDICATION POLICY. Mr. Ken Damlo. a student intern
with the City of Eagan, presented a rather lengthy park dedication
policy that he was requested to research by the Park Advisory
Committee and City Administrator. There were various questions
pertaining to the feasibility of requiring park dedication for
industrial and commercial property that is presently platted.
It was explained by City staff that it is not feasible to attempt
park dedication requirements on commercial and industrial property
that is platted however, a policy could be imposed on that
property that is replatted. After further discussion on the j
park dedication policy, Committee Member Roszak asked that a '`///
directive be given to the Cit y Attorney to make an inquiry to
the Attorney General's office for an interpretation of the statutes
pertaining to language defining industrial and commercial park
dedication policies for municipalities. Chairperson Lundsten
August 18, 1977
asked that the City Attorney review whether the state statute
applies to property that is already platted or subdivided.
Committee Member Roszak also stated that before a park land dedi-
cation policy is determined, the City should consider advice by
a professional appraiser to determine an equitable park dedication
formula. After further discussion on the use of appraisers in
determination of a park land dedication policy Chairperson Lundsten
requested that Committee Member Roszak investigate the use of
professional property appraisers to determine a new formula for
park land dedication in the City of Eagan.
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MINUTES OF A REGULAR MEETING OF.THE ADVISORY PARK COMITTEE
August 18, 1977
A regular meeting of the Eagan Advisory Park Committee was
held at 7:30 P.M. at the Eagan City Hall on August 18, 1977. Those
members present were Chairperson Lundsten, Thursten, Coates,
Martin, Roszak, Brown and Hagen. Also present were City Administra-
tor Tom Hedges, City Engineer Keith Gordon and City Planner John
Voss. Absent were Committee Members Beck, Cooper and Seurer and
also absent was Park Director Barb Schmidt.
EAGAN STADIUM SITE. Mr. E. E. Parranto appeared and informed
the Park Advisory Committee that the City could receive up to 50
acres of property located adjacent to the Eagan stadium site if
that site is approved for the location of a new metropolitan sports
facility stadium. Mr. Parranto stated that there is an area
adjacent to the Eagan stadium site that contains several clear
water ponds that are desirable for park dedication. He further
stated that the clear water ponds must be retained to meet regula-
tions set forth by the Department of Natural Resources. City Planner
John Voss reported on the concept of park land dedication and
development of the Eagan stadium site area. He stated that currently
the City of Eagan does not have a park dedication policy for
commercial and industrial property and therefore it is difficult
to establish a policy concerning park land dedication for the pro-
posed Eagan stadium site. The City Administrator stated that the
City Council did take action to support a proposal in connection
with the dedication of 50 acres for park purposes out of the total
470 acres owned by the Dayton Company in the area of the stadium
August 18, 1977
site, however, the action was subject to final consideration by
the Park Advisory Committee. After further discussion of the
matter and in a motion by Roszak, seconded by Coates, and unanimously
approved the following Resolution:
"WHEREAS, the City of Eagan Advisory Park Committee held
a meeting on August 18, 1977; and
WHEREAS, the City of Eagan City Council has endorsed
the E.E. Parranto metropolitan sports facility stadium site
location in the City of Eagan on Dayton -Hudson property
generally located in Section 1; and
iTHEREAS, the City of Eagan City Council in a regular
meeting held on August 16, 1977 directed the Eagan Park
Advisory Committee to review a Proposal to dedicate land
for park purposes out of a total 470 acres presently owned
by the Dayton -Hudson Company in the area of the proposed
Eagan stadium site;
NOW THEREFORE BE IT HEREBY RESOLVED by the Eagan
Advisory Park Committee that if the Metropolitan Sports
Facility Commission selects the Dayton -Hudson site located in
the City of Eagan as a stadium site, the Park Advisory
Coirsaittee of the City of Eagan will cooperate with the owner
of the site and the Metropolitan Sports Facilites Commission
in accordance with the park dedication policy of the City of
Eagan and Minnesota State Law,
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that any land dedication should
be outside of the 250 acres selected for the stadium site.
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APPROVAL - PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS FOR PARK DEVELOPMENT.
Mr. John Voss, City Planner, appeared and presented the final plans
and specifications along with cost estimates for the four parks
that are scheduled for development in 1977-1978. He stated the
four parks are Well Site Park, Northview Athletic Field, Pilot
Knob Park and South Oaks Park. The first park that was to be re-
viewed was South Oaks Park. Mr. Keith Gordon, representing the
consulting firm of Bonestroo, Rosene and Anderlik, appeared and
presented all the slope, drainage and grading plans that are
proposed for the development of South Oaks Park. Mr. Voss reviewed
the plans and specifications for the sand lot that is proposed
for the South Oaks Park. Chairperson Lundsten stated that she
was concerned about the posts that are proposed for defining the.sand
lot. fir. Voss explained that the posts were designed into the plan
to first, define the perimeter of the park land and second, to
provide a definite boundary for maintaining the park land. The
second plans and specifications to be reviewed were for the
development of Pilot Knob Park. Mr. Gordon explained that it will
be necessary to fill a_small area of marsh at the north end of
the Pilot Knob Park to provide for the trail crossing which is
planned as a part of the development. There was discussion re-
garding the feasibility of providing a vehicle gate opposed to an
additional locked pedestrian gate. After considerable discussion
on the matter, it was the recommendation of the committee that the
vehicle gate concept be eliminated because of the additional cost
and also the potential damage that could be caused by a maintenance
vehicle driving on the surface of a tennis court. It is recommended
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that two gates be installed as a part of the proposed tennis court
complex, one gate with baffles and one gate would remain locked
if this concept is acceptable to the Park Maintenance Foreman.
The third development plans and specifications to be reviewed were
for Well Site Park. Mr. Voss discussed the detailed plans
and specifications for the proposed construction of a hockey rink
at Well Site Park. He stated that removable board gates were
recommended for the proposed hockey rink. He also discussed the
temporary location of a ball diamond at the future water treatment
plant site. The level of the parking lot was discussed by fir.
Gordon in detail. The matter of the removable board gates was
referred to the Park Department Foreman for his recommendation.
The fourth park development plan is for Northview Athletic Field.
The final plans and specifications were presented by Mr. Gordon
specifically discussing grading plans and commenting on elevations
for the recommended park improvements. Tor. Voss recommended that
Northview Athletic Field be seeded with 508 perennial rye and
50% perennial bluegrass. Committee Member Roszak asked the
Engineer if there were any cost estimates available for a watering
and irrigation system. Mr. Gordon stated that a watering and
irrigation systera for Northview Athletic Field would cost in excess
of $100,000 and in addition there are no City water lines available
for water access. Committee Member Hagen recommended that the
City include a specific guarantee in the specifications that a
certain percentage of the seeding will germinate. He further
stated that the watering could be bid as an alternate by the con-
tractor or allow the City crews to water the seeded areas at
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Northview Athletic Field. Mr. Voss also stated that the roadway
connecting Lexington Ave. with Northview Athletic Field is
proposed as a 30 foot wide access road. After final discussion
on the plans and specifications for the development of the four
aforementioned park sites, a motion was made by Coates, seconded
Martin, all members voting in favor, that the plans and specifi-
cations for the development of South Oaks Park, Pilot Knob Park,
Well Site Park and Northview Athletic.Field Park be approved
subject,tb final review by the Park Department personnel and the
Park Advisory Committee Chairperson.
HILLTOP ESTATES. A brief discussion was held concerning the
park dedication requirements for Hilltop Estates as proposed by
the developer, Mr. Ed Dunn. City Planner, Mr. John Voss, presented
the concept and development plans for a trail easement which is a
part of the proposed development of Hilltop Estates preliminary
plat. He stated that the developers are requesting park land
dedication credit for the trails if accepted by the Park Advisory
Committee. Park Committee 'Member Roszak stated that there is no
policy to allow park dedication credit for the development of
trails and to avoid future precedence a special resolution should
be written to justify the reason for the trail designation as a
part of the Hilltop Estates development.
CARLSON DRIVEWAY --OAK CHASE PARK LAND DEDICATION. ?r. Dale
Runkle, the City's Zoning Administrator and City Planner, presented
four proposals proposed to resolve the Oak Chase park land dedica-
tion issue and also provide a new driveway access to Ur. Arnold
Carlson who resides adjacent to the proposed park land area on
Wilderness Run Road. Mr. Runkle stated that the first proposal
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represents a proposal presented to the City by the developer.
Mr. Jim Frisbee. The other three proposals show various alternatives
as to how the City and developer can exchange park land and platted
lots in the Oak Chase development to provide more continuity for
the park land and also allow road and utility access to certain
lots which are proposed for development by Mr. James Frisbee.
Mr. Frisbee's original request and the four staff proposals are
as follows;
Mr. Frisbee is requesting to purchase the southern 75' of
Lot 6 consisting of 16,050 square feet or .37 acre and the western
20' of Lot 6 for a driveway into the land locked Lots of 5 and 6.
He is also requesting to purchase the western portion of Lot 5,
This consists of 9,630 square feet or .22 acre. The total amount
Mr. Frisbee is requesting is .59 acre. In his proposal all that
he owns behind the park is still land locked and the only access
provided is by a private drive.
The Alternate I proposal consists of trading a portion of the
park property for a portion of Mr. Frisbee's property. The park
land to be traded would consist of the eastern portion of Lot 6,
214' x 200' or .98 acre. Mr. Frisbee's land would consist of the
western portion of Lot 5 or approximately .65 acre. The result of
this trade would make the two land locked lots accessible and have
frontage on Wilderness Run Road.
The Alternate II proposal consists of trading a larger portion
of park land for a larger portion of Mr. Frisbee's land. The
park land which would be traded are the eastern portions of Lot
5 and 6 consisting of 2.18 acres. The land Mr. Frisbee would
trade is -the western portion of Lot 1 and 2, Block 2 in Oak Chase
Third Addition. This land would consist of approximately 2.0
acres. The land trade would be fairly even in acreage and Would
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also solve the problem of the land locked lot. In this proposal
the land locked lot would now have access and frontage on wilderness
Run Road.
Alternate III consists of trading the same amount of Por.
Frisbee's land as stated in Alternate II, but increasing the amount
of park land south of Oak Chase Road would not be worth maintaining.
Alternate III would consist of trading the remaining park land
south of Oak Chase Road, which is an additional 1.17 acres for a
.18 acre parcel of land in Lot 5, Block 2, Oak Chase 3rd Addition.
This would give access from the park to the overview of the pond.
Mr. Frisbee would be gaining additional acreage and would allow
him one more buildable lot.
Mr. Curtin, a member of the Park Commission, introduced
a fourth alternative. This proposal consisted of trading the
south 100' of Lot 6, (.45 acre) Oak Chase 1st Addition and the
east 200' of Lot 2, Block 2 (.91 acre) of Oak Chase 3rd Addition for
the northwest portion of Lot 5 and the west portion of Lot 6
(.52 acre). It was also stated the acreage difference between
the trade would be made up in a cash contribution. This
alternative would also make two land locked lots accessible and
have frontage on wilderness Run Road, plus save some flat active
park land.
After consideration of the various proposals and in a motion
by Committee Member Coates, seconded by Roszak, the staff was
directed to present proposal number two as the Park Advisory Commit-
tee recommendation to the Oak Chase developer: Mr. James Frisbee.
The motion failed on a four to three vote. Committee Member
Martin reviewed proposal number four in detail and stated this
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particular proposal is in the best interest of the City of Eagan
and also to the developer, 11r. James Frisbee. After further dis-
cussion on the various proposals and in a motion by Martin, seconded
by Brown, all members voting in favor, the Eagan City staff was !
directed to present alternate number four as the Park Advisory
Committee recommendation to Mr. James Frisbee, the developer of
the Oak Chase area.
Mr. Frisbee was not present at this meeting so the Park
Committee could not receive any feedback from Mr. Frisbee on the
four alternatives. The Park Committee made a motion that Barb
Schmidt and Dale Runkle proceed to contact Mr. Frisbee regarding
alternate four and report back at the next meeting.
PARK DEDICATION POLICY. Mr. Ken Damlo. a student intern
with the City of Eagan, presented a rather lengthy park dedication
policy that he was requested to research by the Park Advisory
Committee and City Administrator. There were various questions
pertaining to the feasibility of requiring park dedication for
industrial and commercial property that is presently platted.
It was explained by City staff that it is not feasible to attempt
park dedication requirements on commercial and industrial property
that is platted however, a policy could be imposed on that
property that is replatted. After further discussion on the j
park dedication policy, Committee Member Roszak asked that a '`///
directive be given to the Cit y Attorney to make an inquiry to
the Attorney General's office for an interpretation of the statutes
pertaining to language defining industrial and commercial park
dedication policies for municipalities. Chairperson Lundsten
August 18, 1977
asked that the City Attorney review whether the state statute
applies to property that is already platted or subdivided.
Committee Member Roszak also stated that before a park land dedi-
cation policy is determined, the City should consider advice by
a professional appraiser to determine an equitable park dedication
formula. After further discussion on the use of appraisers in
determination of a park land dedication policy Chairperson Lundsten
requested that Committee Member Roszak investigate the use of
professional property appraisers to determine a new formula for
park land dedication in the City of Eagan.
DATED.
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