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08/18/1977 - City Council RegularMINUTES OF A REGULAR MEETING OF.THE ADVISORY PARK COMITTEE August 18, 1977 A regular meeting of the Eagan Advisory Park Committee was held at 7:30 P.M. at the Eagan City Hall on August 18, 1977. Those members present were Chairperson Lundsten, Thursten, Coates, Martin, Roszak, Brown and Hagen. Also present were City Administra- tor Tom Hedges, City Engineer Keith Gordon and City Planner John Voss. Absent were Committee Members Beck, Cooper and Seurer and also absent was Park Director Barb Schmidt. EAGAN STADIUM SITE. Mr. E. E. Parranto appeared and informed the Park Advisory Committee that the City could receive up to 50 acres of property located adjacent to the Eagan stadium site if that site is approved for the location of a new metropolitan sports facility stadium. Mr. Parranto stated that there is an area adjacent to the Eagan stadium site that contains several clear water ponds that are desirable for park dedication. He further stated that the clear water ponds must be retained to meet regula- tions set forth by the Department of Natural Resources. City Planner John Voss reported on the concept of park land dedication and development of the Eagan stadium site area. He stated that currently the City of Eagan does not have a park dedication policy for commercial and industrial property and therefore it is difficult to establish a policy concerning park land dedication for the pro- posed Eagan stadium site. The City Administrator stated that the City Council did take action to support a proposal in connection with the dedication of 50 acres for park purposes out of the total 470 acres owned by the Dayton Company in the area of the stadium August 18, 1977 site, however, the action was subject to final consideration by the Park Advisory Committee. After further discussion of the matter and in a motion by Roszak, seconded by Coates, and unanimously approved the following Resolution: "WHEREAS, the City of Eagan Advisory Park Committee held a meeting on August 18, 1977; and WHEREAS, the City of Eagan City Council has endorsed the E.E. Parranto metropolitan sports facility stadium site location in the City of Eagan on Dayton -Hudson property generally located in Section 1; and iTHEREAS, the City of Eagan City Council in a regular meeting held on August 16, 1977 directed the Eagan Park Advisory Committee to review a Proposal to dedicate land for park purposes out of a total 470 acres presently owned by the Dayton -Hudson Company in the area of the proposed Eagan stadium site; NOW THEREFORE BE IT HEREBY RESOLVED by the Eagan Advisory Park Committee that if the Metropolitan Sports Facility Commission selects the Dayton -Hudson site located in the City of Eagan as a stadium site, the Park Advisory Coirsaittee of the City of Eagan will cooperate with the owner of the site and the Metropolitan Sports Facilites Commission in accordance with the park dedication policy of the City of Eagan and Minnesota State Law, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that any land dedication should be outside of the 250 acres selected for the stadium site. 2 0 0 August 18, 1977 APPROVAL - PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS FOR PARK DEVELOPMENT. Mr. John Voss, City Planner, appeared and presented the final plans and specifications along with cost estimates for the four parks that are scheduled for development in 1977-1978. He stated the four parks are Well Site Park, Northview Athletic Field, Pilot Knob Park and South Oaks Park. The first park that was to be re- viewed was South Oaks Park. Mr. Keith Gordon, representing the consulting firm of Bonestroo, Rosene and Anderlik, appeared and presented all the slope, drainage and grading plans that are proposed for the development of South Oaks Park. Mr. Voss reviewed the plans and specifications for the sand lot that is proposed for the South Oaks Park. Chairperson Lundsten stated that she was concerned about the posts that are proposed for defining the.sand lot. fir. Voss explained that the posts were designed into the plan to first, define the perimeter of the park land and second, to provide a definite boundary for maintaining the park land. The second plans and specifications to be reviewed were for the development of Pilot Knob Park. Mr. Gordon explained that it will be necessary to fill a_small area of marsh at the north end of the Pilot Knob Park to provide for the trail crossing which is planned as a part of the development. There was discussion re- garding the feasibility of providing a vehicle gate opposed to an additional locked pedestrian gate. After considerable discussion on the matter, it was the recommendation of the committee that the vehicle gate concept be eliminated because of the additional cost and also the potential damage that could be caused by a maintenance vehicle driving on the surface of a tennis court. It is recommended 3 August 18, 1977 that two gates be installed as a part of the proposed tennis court complex, one gate with baffles and one gate would remain locked if this concept is acceptable to the Park Maintenance Foreman. The third development plans and specifications to be reviewed were for Well Site Park. Mr. Voss discussed the detailed plans and specifications for the proposed construction of a hockey rink at Well Site Park. He stated that removable board gates were recommended for the proposed hockey rink. He also discussed the temporary location of a ball diamond at the future water treatment plant site. The level of the parking lot was discussed by fir. Gordon in detail. The matter of the removable board gates was referred to the Park Department Foreman for his recommendation. The fourth park development plan is for Northview Athletic Field. The final plans and specifications were presented by Mr. Gordon specifically discussing grading plans and commenting on elevations for the recommended park improvements. Tor. Voss recommended that Northview Athletic Field be seeded with 508 perennial rye and 50% perennial bluegrass. Committee Member Roszak asked the Engineer if there were any cost estimates available for a watering and irrigation system. Mr. Gordon stated that a watering and irrigation systera for Northview Athletic Field would cost in excess of $100,000 and in addition there are no City water lines available for water access. Committee Member Hagen recommended that the City include a specific guarantee in the specifications that a certain percentage of the seeding will germinate. He further stated that the watering could be bid as an alternate by the con- tractor or allow the City crews to water the seeded areas at 4 • 0 August 18, 1977 Northview Athletic Field. Mr. Voss also stated that the roadway connecting Lexington Ave. with Northview Athletic Field is proposed as a 30 foot wide access road. After final discussion on the plans and specifications for the development of the four aforementioned park sites, a motion was made by Coates, seconded Martin, all members voting in favor, that the plans and specifi- cations for the development of South Oaks Park, Pilot Knob Park, Well Site Park and Northview Athletic.Field Park be approved subject,tb final review by the Park Department personnel and the Park Advisory Committee Chairperson. HILLTOP ESTATES. A brief discussion was held concerning the park dedication requirements for Hilltop Estates as proposed by the developer, Mr. Ed Dunn. City Planner, Mr. John Voss, presented the concept and development plans for a trail easement which is a part of the proposed development of Hilltop Estates preliminary plat. He stated that the developers are requesting park land dedication credit for the trails if accepted by the Park Advisory Committee. Park Committee 'Member Roszak stated that there is no policy to allow park dedication credit for the development of trails and to avoid future precedence a special resolution should be written to justify the reason for the trail designation as a part of the Hilltop Estates development. CARLSON DRIVEWAY --OAK CHASE PARK LAND DEDICATION. ?r. Dale Runkle, the City's Zoning Administrator and City Planner, presented four proposals proposed to resolve the Oak Chase park land dedica- tion issue and also provide a new driveway access to Ur. Arnold Carlson who resides adjacent to the proposed park land area on Wilderness Run Road. Mr. Runkle stated that the first proposal 5 • Wgust 18; 1977 represents a proposal presented to the City by the developer. Mr. Jim Frisbee. The other three proposals show various alternatives as to how the City and developer can exchange park land and platted lots in the Oak Chase development to provide more continuity for the park land and also allow road and utility access to certain lots which are proposed for development by Mr. James Frisbee. Mr. Frisbee's original request and the four staff proposals are as follows; Mr. Frisbee is requesting to purchase the southern 75' of Lot 6 consisting of 16,050 square feet or .37 acre and the western 20' of Lot 6 for a driveway into the land locked Lots of 5 and 6. He is also requesting to purchase the western portion of Lot 5, This consists of 9,630 square feet or .22 acre. The total amount Mr. Frisbee is requesting is .59 acre. In his proposal all that he owns behind the park is still land locked and the only access provided is by a private drive. The Alternate I proposal consists of trading a portion of the park property for a portion of Mr. Frisbee's property. The park land to be traded would consist of the eastern portion of Lot 6, 214' x 200' or .98 acre. Mr. Frisbee's land would consist of the western portion of Lot 5 or approximately .65 acre. The result of this trade would make the two land locked lots accessible and have frontage on Wilderness Run Road. The Alternate II proposal consists of trading a larger portion of park land for a larger portion of Mr. Frisbee's land. The park land which would be traded are the eastern portions of Lot 5 and 6 consisting of 2.18 acres. The land Mr. Frisbee would trade is -the western portion of Lot 1 and 2, Block 2 in Oak Chase Third Addition. This land would consist of approximately 2.0 acres. The land trade would be fairly even in acreage and Would 6 • 0 August 18, 1977 also solve the problem of the land locked lot. In this proposal the land locked lot would now have access and frontage on wilderness Run Road. Alternate III consists of trading the same amount of Por. Frisbee's land as stated in Alternate II, but increasing the amount of park land south of Oak Chase Road would not be worth maintaining. Alternate III would consist of trading the remaining park land south of Oak Chase Road, which is an additional 1.17 acres for a .18 acre parcel of land in Lot 5, Block 2, Oak Chase 3rd Addition. This would give access from the park to the overview of the pond. Mr. Frisbee would be gaining additional acreage and would allow him one more buildable lot. Mr. Curtin, a member of the Park Commission, introduced a fourth alternative. This proposal consisted of trading the south 100' of Lot 6, (.45 acre) Oak Chase 1st Addition and the east 200' of Lot 2, Block 2 (.91 acre) of Oak Chase 3rd Addition for the northwest portion of Lot 5 and the west portion of Lot 6 (.52 acre). It was also stated the acreage difference between the trade would be made up in a cash contribution. This alternative would also make two land locked lots accessible and have frontage on wilderness Run Road, plus save some flat active park land. After consideration of the various proposals and in a motion by Committee Member Coates, seconded by Roszak, the staff was directed to present proposal number two as the Park Advisory Commit- tee recommendation to the Oak Chase developer: Mr. James Frisbee. The motion failed on a four to three vote. Committee Member Martin reviewed proposal number four in detail and stated this 7 August 18, 1977 particular proposal is in the best interest of the City of Eagan and also to the developer, 11r. James Frisbee. After further dis- cussion on the various proposals and in a motion by Martin, seconded by Brown, all members voting in favor, the Eagan City staff was ! directed to present alternate number four as the Park Advisory Committee recommendation to Mr. James Frisbee, the developer of the Oak Chase area. Mr. Frisbee was not present at this meeting so the Park Committee could not receive any feedback from Mr. Frisbee on the four alternatives. The Park Committee made a motion that Barb Schmidt and Dale Runkle proceed to contact Mr. Frisbee regarding alternate four and report back at the next meeting. PARK DEDICATION POLICY. Mr. Ken Damlo. a student intern with the City of Eagan, presented a rather lengthy park dedication policy that he was requested to research by the Park Advisory Committee and City Administrator. There were various questions pertaining to the feasibility of requiring park dedication for industrial and commercial property that is presently platted. It was explained by City staff that it is not feasible to attempt park dedication requirements on commercial and industrial property that is platted however, a policy could be imposed on that property that is replatted. After further discussion on the j park dedication policy, Committee Member Roszak asked that a '`/// directive be given to the Cit y Attorney to make an inquiry to the Attorney General's office for an interpretation of the statutes pertaining to language defining industrial and commercial park dedication policies for municipalities. Chairperson Lundsten August 18, 1977 asked that the City Attorney review whether the state statute applies to property that is already platted or subdivided. Committee Member Roszak also stated that before a park land dedi- cation policy is determined, the City should consider advice by a professional appraiser to determine an equitable park dedication formula. After further discussion on the use of appraisers in determination of a park land dedication policy Chairperson Lundsten requested that Committee Member Roszak investigate the use of professional property appraisers to determine a new formula for park land dedication in the City of Eagan. DATED. Vj MINUTES OF A REGULAR MEETING OF.THE ADVISORY PARK COMITTEE August 18, 1977 A regular meeting of the Eagan Advisory Park Committee was held at 7:30 P.M. at the Eagan City Hall on August 18, 1977. Those members present were Chairperson Lundsten, Thursten, Coates, Martin, Roszak, Brown and Hagen. Also present were City Administra- tor Tom Hedges, City Engineer Keith Gordon and City Planner John Voss. Absent were Committee Members Beck, Cooper and Seurer and also absent was Park Director Barb Schmidt. EAGAN STADIUM SITE. Mr. E. E. Parranto appeared and informed the Park Advisory Committee that the City could receive up to 50 acres of property located adjacent to the Eagan stadium site if that site is approved for the location of a new metropolitan sports facility stadium. Mr. Parranto stated that there is an area adjacent to the Eagan stadium site that contains several clear water ponds that are desirable for park dedication. He further stated that the clear water ponds must be retained to meet regula- tions set forth by the Department of Natural Resources. City Planner John Voss reported on the concept of park land dedication and development of the Eagan stadium site area. He stated that currently the City of Eagan does not have a park dedication policy for commercial and industrial property and therefore it is difficult to establish a policy concerning park land dedication for the pro- posed Eagan stadium site. The City Administrator stated that the City Council did take action to support a proposal in connection with the dedication of 50 acres for park purposes out of the total 470 acres owned by the Dayton Company in the area of the stadium August 18, 1977 site, however, the action was subject to final consideration by the Park Advisory Committee. After further discussion of the matter and in a motion by Roszak, seconded by Coates, and unanimously approved the following Resolution: "WHEREAS, the City of Eagan Advisory Park Committee held a meeting on August 18, 1977; and WHEREAS, the City of Eagan City Council has endorsed the E.E. Parranto metropolitan sports facility stadium site location in the City of Eagan on Dayton -Hudson property generally located in Section 1; and iTHEREAS, the City of Eagan City Council in a regular meeting held on August 16, 1977 directed the Eagan Park Advisory Committee to review a Proposal to dedicate land for park purposes out of a total 470 acres presently owned by the Dayton -Hudson Company in the area of the proposed Eagan stadium site; NOW THEREFORE BE IT HEREBY RESOLVED by the Eagan Advisory Park Committee that if the Metropolitan Sports Facility Commission selects the Dayton -Hudson site located in the City of Eagan as a stadium site, the Park Advisory Coirsaittee of the City of Eagan will cooperate with the owner of the site and the Metropolitan Sports Facilites Commission in accordance with the park dedication policy of the City of Eagan and Minnesota State Law, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that any land dedication should be outside of the 250 acres selected for the stadium site. 2 0 0 August 18, 1977 APPROVAL - PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS FOR PARK DEVELOPMENT. Mr. John Voss, City Planner, appeared and presented the final plans and specifications along with cost estimates for the four parks that are scheduled for development in 1977-1978. He stated the four parks are Well Site Park, Northview Athletic Field, Pilot Knob Park and South Oaks Park. The first park that was to be re- viewed was South Oaks Park. Mr. Keith Gordon, representing the consulting firm of Bonestroo, Rosene and Anderlik, appeared and presented all the slope, drainage and grading plans that are proposed for the development of South Oaks Park. Mr. Voss reviewed the plans and specifications for the sand lot that is proposed for the South Oaks Park. Chairperson Lundsten stated that she was concerned about the posts that are proposed for defining the.sand lot. fir. Voss explained that the posts were designed into the plan to first, define the perimeter of the park land and second, to provide a definite boundary for maintaining the park land. The second plans and specifications to be reviewed were for the development of Pilot Knob Park. Mr. Gordon explained that it will be necessary to fill a_small area of marsh at the north end of the Pilot Knob Park to provide for the trail crossing which is planned as a part of the development. There was discussion re- garding the feasibility of providing a vehicle gate opposed to an additional locked pedestrian gate. After considerable discussion on the matter, it was the recommendation of the committee that the vehicle gate concept be eliminated because of the additional cost and also the potential damage that could be caused by a maintenance vehicle driving on the surface of a tennis court. It is recommended 3 August 18, 1977 that two gates be installed as a part of the proposed tennis court complex, one gate with baffles and one gate would remain locked if this concept is acceptable to the Park Maintenance Foreman. The third development plans and specifications to be reviewed were for Well Site Park. Mr. Voss discussed the detailed plans and specifications for the proposed construction of a hockey rink at Well Site Park. He stated that removable board gates were recommended for the proposed hockey rink. He also discussed the temporary location of a ball diamond at the future water treatment plant site. The level of the parking lot was discussed by fir. Gordon in detail. The matter of the removable board gates was referred to the Park Department Foreman for his recommendation. The fourth park development plan is for Northview Athletic Field. The final plans and specifications were presented by Mr. Gordon specifically discussing grading plans and commenting on elevations for the recommended park improvements. Tor. Voss recommended that Northview Athletic Field be seeded with 508 perennial rye and 50% perennial bluegrass. Committee Member Roszak asked the Engineer if there were any cost estimates available for a watering and irrigation system. Mr. Gordon stated that a watering and irrigation systera for Northview Athletic Field would cost in excess of $100,000 and in addition there are no City water lines available for water access. Committee Member Hagen recommended that the City include a specific guarantee in the specifications that a certain percentage of the seeding will germinate. He further stated that the watering could be bid as an alternate by the con- tractor or allow the City crews to water the seeded areas at 4 • 0 August 18, 1977 Northview Athletic Field. Mr. Voss also stated that the roadway connecting Lexington Ave. with Northview Athletic Field is proposed as a 30 foot wide access road. After final discussion on the plans and specifications for the development of the four aforementioned park sites, a motion was made by Coates, seconded Martin, all members voting in favor, that the plans and specifi- cations for the development of South Oaks Park, Pilot Knob Park, Well Site Park and Northview Athletic.Field Park be approved subject,tb final review by the Park Department personnel and the Park Advisory Committee Chairperson. HILLTOP ESTATES. A brief discussion was held concerning the park dedication requirements for Hilltop Estates as proposed by the developer, Mr. Ed Dunn. City Planner, Mr. John Voss, presented the concept and development plans for a trail easement which is a part of the proposed development of Hilltop Estates preliminary plat. He stated that the developers are requesting park land dedication credit for the trails if accepted by the Park Advisory Committee. Park Committee 'Member Roszak stated that there is no policy to allow park dedication credit for the development of trails and to avoid future precedence a special resolution should be written to justify the reason for the trail designation as a part of the Hilltop Estates development. CARLSON DRIVEWAY --OAK CHASE PARK LAND DEDICATION. ?r. Dale Runkle, the City's Zoning Administrator and City Planner, presented four proposals proposed to resolve the Oak Chase park land dedica- tion issue and also provide a new driveway access to Ur. Arnold Carlson who resides adjacent to the proposed park land area on Wilderness Run Road. Mr. Runkle stated that the first proposal 5 • Wgust 18; 1977 represents a proposal presented to the City by the developer. Mr. Jim Frisbee. The other three proposals show various alternatives as to how the City and developer can exchange park land and platted lots in the Oak Chase development to provide more continuity for the park land and also allow road and utility access to certain lots which are proposed for development by Mr. James Frisbee. Mr. Frisbee's original request and the four staff proposals are as follows; Mr. Frisbee is requesting to purchase the southern 75' of Lot 6 consisting of 16,050 square feet or .37 acre and the western 20' of Lot 6 for a driveway into the land locked Lots of 5 and 6. He is also requesting to purchase the western portion of Lot 5, This consists of 9,630 square feet or .22 acre. The total amount Mr. Frisbee is requesting is .59 acre. In his proposal all that he owns behind the park is still land locked and the only access provided is by a private drive. The Alternate I proposal consists of trading a portion of the park property for a portion of Mr. Frisbee's property. The park land to be traded would consist of the eastern portion of Lot 6, 214' x 200' or .98 acre. Mr. Frisbee's land would consist of the western portion of Lot 5 or approximately .65 acre. The result of this trade would make the two land locked lots accessible and have frontage on Wilderness Run Road. The Alternate II proposal consists of trading a larger portion of park land for a larger portion of Mr. Frisbee's land. The park land which would be traded are the eastern portions of Lot 5 and 6 consisting of 2.18 acres. The land Mr. Frisbee would trade is -the western portion of Lot 1 and 2, Block 2 in Oak Chase Third Addition. This land would consist of approximately 2.0 acres. The land trade would be fairly even in acreage and Would 6 • 0 August 18, 1977 also solve the problem of the land locked lot. In this proposal the land locked lot would now have access and frontage on wilderness Run Road. Alternate III consists of trading the same amount of Por. Frisbee's land as stated in Alternate II, but increasing the amount of park land south of Oak Chase Road would not be worth maintaining. Alternate III would consist of trading the remaining park land south of Oak Chase Road, which is an additional 1.17 acres for a .18 acre parcel of land in Lot 5, Block 2, Oak Chase 3rd Addition. This would give access from the park to the overview of the pond. Mr. Frisbee would be gaining additional acreage and would allow him one more buildable lot. Mr. Curtin, a member of the Park Commission, introduced a fourth alternative. This proposal consisted of trading the south 100' of Lot 6, (.45 acre) Oak Chase 1st Addition and the east 200' of Lot 2, Block 2 (.91 acre) of Oak Chase 3rd Addition for the northwest portion of Lot 5 and the west portion of Lot 6 (.52 acre). It was also stated the acreage difference between the trade would be made up in a cash contribution. This alternative would also make two land locked lots accessible and have frontage on wilderness Run Road, plus save some flat active park land. After consideration of the various proposals and in a motion by Committee Member Coates, seconded by Roszak, the staff was directed to present proposal number two as the Park Advisory Commit- tee recommendation to the Oak Chase developer: Mr. James Frisbee. The motion failed on a four to three vote. Committee Member Martin reviewed proposal number four in detail and stated this 7 August 18, 1977 particular proposal is in the best interest of the City of Eagan and also to the developer, 11r. James Frisbee. After further dis- cussion on the various proposals and in a motion by Martin, seconded by Brown, all members voting in favor, the Eagan City staff was ! directed to present alternate number four as the Park Advisory Committee recommendation to Mr. James Frisbee, the developer of the Oak Chase area. Mr. Frisbee was not present at this meeting so the Park Committee could not receive any feedback from Mr. Frisbee on the four alternatives. The Park Committee made a motion that Barb Schmidt and Dale Runkle proceed to contact Mr. Frisbee regarding alternate four and report back at the next meeting. PARK DEDICATION POLICY. Mr. Ken Damlo. a student intern with the City of Eagan, presented a rather lengthy park dedication policy that he was requested to research by the Park Advisory Committee and City Administrator. There were various questions pertaining to the feasibility of requiring park dedication for industrial and commercial property that is presently platted. It was explained by City staff that it is not feasible to attempt park dedication requirements on commercial and industrial property that is platted however, a policy could be imposed on that property that is replatted. After further discussion on the j park dedication policy, Committee Member Roszak asked that a '`/// directive be given to the Cit y Attorney to make an inquiry to the Attorney General's office for an interpretation of the statutes pertaining to language defining industrial and commercial park dedication policies for municipalities. Chairperson Lundsten August 18, 1977 asked that the City Attorney review whether the state statute applies to property that is already platted or subdivided. Committee Member Roszak also stated that before a park land dedi- cation policy is determined, the City should consider advice by a professional appraiser to determine an equitable park dedication formula. After further discussion on the use of appraisers in determination of a park land dedication policy Chairperson Lundsten requested that Committee Member Roszak investigate the use of professional property appraisers to determine a new formula for park land dedication in the City of Eagan. DATED. Vj