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05/03/1984 - Advisory Parks & Recreation Commission SUBJECT TO APPROVAL MINUTES OF A REGULAR MEETING OF THE ADVISORY PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION EAGAN, MINNESOTA MAY 3 , 1984 A regular meeting of the Advisory Parks & Recreation Commission was called to order by Chairman Martin at 7:15 P.M.. All members were present. Ken Vraa, Director of Parks & Recreation; Administrative Assistant, Liz Witt; and Parks and Recreation Intern, Jim Sturm, were also present. Developers and residents were in attendance to speak on particular items on the agenda. AGENDA Informational items were added to the agenda by Parks & Recreation Director, Vraa. On a motion by Carroll, seconded by Jackson, the Commission approved the agenda as amended. MINUTES Chairman Martin moved, Alt seconded, that the minutes of April 5, 1984 be approved as presented. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. Lexington Place South Bill Allen of U.S. Home Corp. addressed the Commission. He said the developers were withdrawing their request for park credit for the private park amenities associated with Lexington Place South. Chairman Martin moved, Kubik seconded, to recognize the withdrawal of the request for park credit and to accept a cash dedication for Lexington Place South. The motion carried. B. Peace Reformed Church Parks & Recreation Director, Vraa noted for the Commission that two (2) issues needed to be considered - the outlot to be platted and the church site. (The Peace Reformed Church planned to outlot a parcel for future development and build a church on the remaining parcel). He said that communities surveyed do not have a policy regarding park dedication from churches. The Commission would have to decide if there should be dedication and, if so, what kind - commercial/industrial or residential? Chairman Martin said he was opposed to requiring dedication from churches. Commission Member Bertz voiced concern with those "churches" that are not "traditional". Further discussion resulted in the issue being delegated to the Special Issues Committee for development of a policy. Commission Member Kubik raised the possibility that the property could be sold and another use made of it. In that case, the Commission should review it for park dedication. Commission Member McNeely moved, Ketcham seconded, to: 1. not require park dedication from the church site. 2. The outlot is excluded from the motion and therefore, subject to a dedication at time of the platting. 3. If the church usage changes in the future, then the Commission will review for park dedication. The motion carried unanimously. C. Cinnamon Ridge 7th; Cinnamon Ridge P.U.D. The director explained that Can-American Realty Corp. has purchased Outlot A, Cinnamon Ridge, and proposes to build 230 apartment units on the site. The original P.U.D. Agreement with Zachman Homes provided for two (2) land dedications. Also required was the grading, seeding, trail construction and hard surface area within the park. A cash dedication was determined with remaining credit from the park land dedication to be applied against the cash requirement for this outlot. The P.U.D. had dedicated the land, however, of particular concern is the grading and seeding which has still not been done. He had communicated with a Zachman representative several times and received assurances that the grading would be done by the summer/fall of 1983. He went on to explain that the City has a "Performance Bond" to pay for the work, but was uncertain that it was large enough to cover the cost or could be done in an expeditious manner. After additional discussion, on a motion by Kubik, seconded by Bertz, the Commission recommended certain conditions be met before platting be approved. 1. Grading and seeding of the 2 1/2 acre park be completed. 2. The 5' connecting trailways should be installed. 3. A blacktop mat for a basketball court should be laid. 4. The entire cash dedication required for Cinnamon Ridge 7th and remaining credits be withheld until the agreed to park work has been completed. The motion was approved unanimously. D. Pheasant Knoll, Blackhawk P.U.D John Bossardt spoke for Dunn Realty which proposes 80 units for construction. Thomas Lake Road will provide access for 66 homes with the rest of the units to be served from County Road 30. The developers propose to utilize the same roadway access for the 14 units as for the proposed park. A cul-de-sac is proposed with a parking area and boat launch for park purposes and access to the living units. Director Vraa reminded the Commission that park dedication for Pheasant Knoll was Heine Lake and very little land. The Master Parks Plan has Heine Lake as a site for fishing and boating (no gas motors). The park road access was to be of minimum width to allow for the greatest amount of green space. Making the road public and wider would negate any savings of land. The proposed cul- de-sac is large and lies very close to the water's edge. Director Vraa is concerned about a rise in the lake level and loss of access to the lake. A lengthy discussion followed these opening remarks. Ron Williams, a resident of Heine First Addition, asked if the development provided for an Environmental Impact Statement. He also wanted to know who determines the street setbacks from the water's edge. He went on to say that he objected to having a public road on park property and using park funds to pay for the park for which the developer benefits. Resident Shirley Kline expressed a great deal of concern about erosion problems and the quality of the lake water. She did not feel the developers were careful about erosion control, citing existing erosion problems. Another resident noted the proposed access road off County Road 30 was located in a dangerous, often slippery, area. Chairman Martin and Commission Member Kubik said Heine Lake must be kept clean and there has to be a complete erosion plan submitted with the development. They did not like the idea of having a public road on park property, reducing the park space still further. John Bossardt said the previous proposal had no plans to develop this lower area so the road for the park had been placed farther to the west. Commission Members Carroll and Bertz did not think the plan layout was accurate. They had visited the site and said there was not much room between the proposed road and Heine Lake, as shown on the sketch plan. Mr. Carroll questioned how the City would be able to develop the small amount of remaining land. He reminded the Commission that when County Road 30 is widened, the park will become smaller still. Ralph Wagner of Probe Engineering noted that the City's Consulting Engineer was studying the high water mark and that 873.5 is the fixed control point. He said the high water mark will not be greater than 883.5 and the level is now about 373. Mr. Wagner said an envirofence will be used to control erosion. Such a "fence" is more stable and durable than straw bales. Commission Member Bertz felt that envirofence was a preferred erosion control method. She did not like the road on City property or to have the City pay for the road, for that matter. Chairman Martin asked that an annual rye grass be seeded to help hold the soil until a permanent seeding can take place. John Bossardt said that when the developers learned the City planned road access to the park they adjusted their plans in order to best utilize the entire parcel. He said the developer will pay for the cul-de-sac and the road beyond the park access to serve the 14 homes. The City should pay for park access, the parking lot and boat launch. Commission Member Kubik and other members recommended that the City engineers monitor the erosion conditions. Director Vraa was asked to write Engineering a memo and include residents concerns about other erosion conditions in the vicinity. Mr. Kubik said the layout as proposed would limit public family use because of the small amount of remaining park land space. There was additional discussion concerning the limiting of parking space in the park, posting of "No Parking" signs, road alignment and safety, trail needs and road width. Chairman Martin then moved, Kubik seconded, that the item be returned to staff for additional review with the following comments: 1. The preferred park proposal is one similar to the concept plan for Heine Lake as prepared in the Systems Plan. 2. City staff should closely review the size and location of the cul-de-sac and road. It was the opinion that if the road were narrower and the cul-de-sac further to the west, perhaps the proposal could be considered. 3. The road should not be on property to be dedicated to the City. 4. Erosion control must include the envirofence and seeding with an overlay to prevent further erosion as soon as possible. The developer must maintain erosion control measures at all times. The motion carried unanimously. Commission Member Carroll moved, Kubik seconded, to have a trailway from the cul-de-sac to Thomas Lake Road be a part of the discussion with the developers. The motion was approved. E. BIRCH PARK/WINDCREST Director Vraa presented information on this item. Sienna Corporation has purchased the remainder of the Windcrest P.D., revising plans to put in single family and twin home units. A park was deeded with the first Windcrest plat. Sienna has changed the plat and taken out a road by fronting homes on Deerwood. This will create an outlot of open space. He continued by saying that it is possible this outlot may be given to the City for parks open space. Commission Member Thurston moved, Kubik seconded, to accept the open space as a gift. No park dedication credit will be given for the open space on this development or any other proposed Sienna developments shall it be offered. The motion was carried. NEW BUSINESS TRAIL CONNECTION HEINE STRASSE - CLEMSON COURT Parks and Recreation Director Vraa recounted for the Commission that a trail dedication was to take place with the platting of Heine First Addition. The trail was to be on a 10' easement on the easterly edge of lot 8 to connect to Clemson Court. However, the plat was filed without the trail dedication. Keith Olson, owner of lot 9, questioned the need for a trailway. He observed that the portion of trail already in place is not well layed out or maintained and is hazardous. Commission Members Martin and Thurston noted that trailway connections were part of the circulation plan of the trail system. Chairman Martin said perhaps deterrants to bicycles could be put in place to keep the trail safer. He said that erosion control was necessary too. Director Vraa said that the part of the trail in place could be removed, regraded and reinstalled to get a safer connection angle. On a motion by Thurston, seconded by Carroll, the Commission recommended that the trail be installed as was originally intended, giving full consideration to minimizing hazards and erosion problems. The trail should be as safe as possible. The motion was unanimously approved. OTHER BUSINESS A. PARK BOND REFERENDUM Informational meetings on the upcoming Park Bond Referendum will be held May 5, 9 and 10. Chairman Martin asked Commission Members to sign up for one 1 1 meeting each. The schedule is as follows: May 5: Thurston, Jackson and Ketcham 9: Martin, Carroll and Bertz 10: Alt and Masin Members McNeely and Kubik will be unable to attend any of the meetings due to prior commitments. All members agreed to distribute flyers prior to the referendum date as may be necessary. Bill Jackson reported on the Task Force and said that about $400 had been received in donations. Buttons promoting approval of the bonds had been purchased. Flyers will be distributed by interested groups such as softball teams and athletic associations. There will be "door knocking" and a telephone campaign on May 21. B. REQUEST FOR STORAGE SPACE FROM EAGAN ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION Director Vraa said he had been contacted by the Eagan Athletic Association for possible storage of equipment on City property. Director Vraa suggested that the Patrick Eagan House might be a possibility. He asked the City Inspections Department to assess the building for any dangers. The Commission felt it was better for the building to be used rather than boarded up. The consensus was to allow the association to use Patrick Eagan House for storage. C. L.A.W.C.O.N. APPLICATIONS Applications for L.A.W.C.O.N. grants were submitted on April 30. The amounts were: Coachman - $ 199,600 Capricorn - 270,000 Schwanz Lake - 221,000 D. SUCCESSFUL PARK BOND REFERENDUM Parks and Recreation Director Vraa asked the Commission to think about what they expect the Commission's role to be if the Park Bond Referendum is successful. He noted there will be issue and answer problems that will arise in the implementation of park development and the Commission must be prepared to deal with them. ADJOURNMENT Commission Member Carroll moved, Jackson seconded, that the meeting be adjourned. Time of adjournment was 10:40 P. Dated: 74 dvisor Park & Recrea ecretar Y Y