10/03/1985 - Advisory Parks & Recreation Commission
MINUTES OF A REGULAR MEETING OF THE
ADVISORY PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION
EAGAN, MINNESOTA
OCTOBER 3, 1985
The meeting was called to order by Chairman Martin at 7:05 p.m. All
commission members were-present with the exception of Tom Ketcham, who had
notified staff he would be unable to attend. Also present were Parks &
Reere.ation, Director, Ken Vraa; Landscape Architect/Park Planner, Steve
Sullivan; Assistant Planner, Jim Sturm; Administrative Assistant, Liz Witt and
Parks Intern, Scott Morgan. Two members of the Wilderness Run Park
Association were also in attendance.
AGENDA
Several items were-added to other business and on a motion by Richard Carroll,
seconded by Carolyn Thurston, the agenda was approved as amended. All voted
in favor.
= MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 5, 1985
It was noted that Commission member Kubik was present at the meeting. On a
motion by Commission member Bertz, seconded by Masin, the minutes were
approved-as corrected. The motion carried.
DEVELOPMENT-PROPOSALS -
A. Sunset 10th - Randy Borrows
The City Council approved the preliminary plat subject to the Advisory Parks &
Recreation Commission recommendation. Commission member Alt moved, Thurston
seconded that there be a trailway along County Road' 30. The motion carried.
B. Windtree 6th Richardson Properties
The City Counc-il appro.ved•.the proposal. Because there was no trail or
land/cash dedication to be considered, no action was taken. The item was
informational:
C. Norwest_2nd Addition
Commission member Fedde-moved, Carroll seconded, to'accept cash dedication for
the Norwest parcel. All ,voted in favor.
OLD BUSINESS
There was no-old business.
NEW BUSINESS
A. Rahn Road Trail - Engineering Report
Director of Parks and Recreation presented the report prepared by the
Engineering Department regarding trail construction along Rahn Road south of
County Road 30. Director Vraa noted that there is some easement to be
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obtained from an old farmstead site. He said the owner has not been contacted
regarding such easement, but that work could start anytime after it is
obtained. The construction of the trail could be done at anytime or combined
with a street improvement project. Chairman Martin wondered if the Rahn trail
should be included with the '86 projects, with staff completing the necessary
lead work in the interim. Commission consensus was to proceed, noting that
the trail would benefit the parks to the south. Commission member Masin
moved, Kubik seconded, the recommendation to start easement acquisition. The
motion carried.
B. East Thomas Lake/Wilderness Run Park Association - Land Gift
Board members Jack Osten and Jerry Norsby of the Wilderness Run Park
Association were present to ask the City to accept a gift of approximately
five acres. The land in question is contained in two separate parcels. One
is Outlet A in the ChesMar 1st Addition and the second is 010-50 in the
Wilderness Run 1st Addition. Director of Parks and Recreation reviewed a
prepared memorandum which addressed the proposed gift.
The City did not accept the site as part of a park dedication from the
original developer, so he transferred it over to the Wilderness Run Park
Association in 1978. The Association has been having difficulty collecting
increasing tax monies from association members for the last several years as
homes have exchanged ownership. Director Vraa continued his review of the
parcel(s) and noted that most of the area is dominated by water. There is a
small peninsula with many mature oak trees. The City had not accepted a
previous offer as the Commission was split on a 3 - 3 vote in 1980. He stated
that reasons not to accept would be the small size, difficulty to access for
maintenance purposes and the overabundance of "open-space" passive park land
the City already has. He did not know if development could take place on the
site. Director Vraa also noted that there are three neighborhood parks in
this park service district. He said an on-site inspection of the access shows
adjacent land owners have developed the 30' access into "backyard space"
making it difficult for maintenance equipment to get into the site.
Chairman Martin told the Commission that back in 1980 there was a great deal
of concern about liability costs because children were swimming in the lake
off the peninsula. There was also concern about the inadequacies of access to
the site. The Association representatives noted that the water is-not very
clean now and it is not used for swimming. Commission member Bertz asked if
all association members were in agreement to give the land to the City. The
association representative responded that they should be agreeable because
they sure complain about having to pay taxes. He was very concerned right now
because taxes are due October 15. Commission member Kubik said it is a very
scenic site which the City should consider acquiring to set aside for passive
open space. There was some discussion about how the two parcels came to be in
the configuration they are; and'it was suggested there might have been some
land swapping at a previous time which was not properly recorded at the
County.
Commission member Kubik moved, Caponi seconded, to recommend acceptance of the
site contingent upon a majority of members of the Park Association's approval,
that the maintenance crews can access the site, that the platting of the two
parcels was properly recorded and that contiguous property owners
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give written approval. All voted in favor. Commi.ssion members expressed
appreciation to the association who were directed to work with staff regarding
the details.
PARK DEVELOPMENT
A. Schwarz-Weber Architects
Director of Parks and Recreation Vraa introduced Dick Schwarz and the agenda
of his presentation. He reminded the-Commission that the architect's first
responsibility was to determine the appropriateness of using pre-manufactured
buildings in relation to the-City's program for building needs. Dick Schwarz
presented and distributed a preliminary draft of the report on park
structures.:. He asked for comments as he described the various segments of the
report. As part of the introduction, Mr. Schwarz emphasized that the plan is
about how a building relates to the site, not the actual building itself. He
commented on an analysis of site-built building vs. manufactured building and
felt the manufactured structure is not cost effective and does not meet the
needs for long-term maintenance and heating efficiency. His cost comparisons
were as follows:
Mfd Site-built
structural frame & enclosure $77,500 $43,000
foundation and concrete floor 15,000 15,000
doors, windows & finishes 12,000 -12,000
mechanical 12,500 12,500
electrical 7,500 7,500
architectural fees 7,500
Total $124,500 $97,500
Mr. Schwarz did not consider the manufactured building to be a good investment
for Eagan, even though there would be some advantages. There would be a
porter construction period and cost savings would result from "standard"
packages. You could "see" what you are buying beforehand. Prepackaged
.buildings decrease field construction errors and familiarity of assembly may
result in time and cost saving. However, there are limitations on design
options, the insulation value (R) will be reduced and you could not establish
-City identity with a. prepackaged building. There would be limited selection
of structures for specific sites. It would be difficult to repair damage
caused by vandals or accident.. Plank wall is not economical in rooms such as
toilets where hard surface finishes are required. And, there would be no one
person responsible for integration of building components, utilities and
lighting. There were several questions raised by the Commission which Mr.
Schwarz and staff responded. After additional comments and discussion,
members agreed that prepackaged buildings would be inappropriate. Mr. Schwarz
continued with his presentation. _
.Mr. Schwarz outlined the standard building concepts for all buildings. He
reiterated that the structures should complement the site as well as the Eagan
Park System as a whole. He said the buildings should be well-insulated,
durable, vandal resistant, handicap accessible, easy to maintain, etc. He
then outlined the space requirements, special features, construction time
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frame, and recommended budget on a park by park basis. Trapp Farm park will
have the warming house, a pavilion and shelters. Goat Hill and Rahn Parks
will have shelters and there will be a central shelter at Northview Park. He
noted the original bond figure was $318,000 but more recent estimates are at
$430,000.
Directer Vraa then reviewed the Bond Fund Budget and indicated that, although
the process is not complete, it appears the first contract is coming in under
the contract price and perhaps the park buildings shortage could be pulled out
of the contingency Line Item or park fund monies generated by the commercial-
industrial dedication for community parks. He went on to explain the dollar
amount available from the first four parks, and the amount that might be
needed from the Park Site Fund. It was the concensus of the Commission not to
change the architect programs and to go with designed structure. The Special
Issues Committee will take a look at the use of park fund monies to supplement
the construction budget. Director Vraa said that the next process is the
schematic design of the shelters. Commission member Caponi moved, Bertz
seconded to approve the general direction of Phase I as presented by Mr.
Schwarz and support movement in the next phase. The motion carried.
B. Lighting/Paving Contracts
Director Vraa stated that the City Council approved the plan for two hockey
rinks and a baseball field at Goat Hill Park and he hopes to have them ready
for this winter. He said Vo-Tech is considering the construction of warming
houses, but it will probably be a spring project. Director Vraa said that the
paving contract was let for the Rahn Park parking lot and trail. He did note
that we are behind because of the bad weather this fall.
OTHER BUSINESS
A. Parks Maintenance Report -
The Parks Maintenance Report was included in the packet to update Commission
members.
B. Ridgecliff Park
A resident had requested the Commission consider a backboard in connection
with the construction of the tennis courts. Director Vraa felt that
backboards would be more appropriate in community parks where there are more
courts. He did say it was really too early to decide and it could be
discussed:at the February or March meeting as final plans are prepared.
C. Park Planning Cooperative - Eagan, Apple Valley and Burnsville
Chairman Martin said that he would like the cooperative efforts to continue.
Commission member Masin said she would like to tour Apple Valley and
Burnsville park buildings and then discuss with those commissions their likes
and dislikes of the buildings. Chairman Martin agreed to the suggestion and
asked other members to think of other possible agenda items they would like to
see addressed.
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D. Platting Process
Director Vraa announced that the City Council had approved the lengthening of
the platting process thus giving both Commissions and the Council more time to
fully review proposals. He felt the Parks Commission would be able to have a
better look at some proposals with longer processing.
E. Kehne House
Director Vraa said that he advised the contractor that insulation would not be
necessary at this time as the building would primarily be used as a ski
chalet.
F. Pilot Knob Park & School District #197
Director Vraa advised School District 197 that the Parks Department intends to
move. the hockey rink. He asked school district cooperation in cleaning up the
site and doing some seeding or laying of sod where necessary. A meeting is
planned with the Superintendent of Schools.
G. Burnsville-Eagan Cable Administrator
Director Vraa advised the Commission that Cable Administrator Ralph Campbell
would like to present a short presentation to the Commission to show how parks
and recreation could utilize local programming. Chairman Martin placed Mr.
Campbell on the November agenda.
H. Athletic Site
Director Vraa stated that the surveying had been done on the Ohman parcel to
be able to prepare legals. Probate of the will is to be concluded on October
9. He said that two family members have indicated an interest to sell.
I. Trapp Farm Park - Run-Off Into Lake
Chairman Martin asked what was happening. regarding the correction and funding
of erosion caused by Northview Meadows construction. He again stated that the
City should not have to pay for the repair work.
J. Landscape Policy
Chairman Martin requested that staff have the landscape policy on the next
agenda if at all possible.
K. Special Issues Committee Meeting
The Special Issues meeting will meet October 10th at 7 P.M.
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ADJOURNMENT
Commission member Kubik moved, Fedde seconded, that the meeting be adjourned.
Time of ournment was 10:10.
Dated:,
dv ory s Recreation Se etary
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