06/05/1986 - Advisory Parks & Recreation Commission
MINUTES OF A REGULAR MEETING OF THE
ADVISORY PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION
EAGAN, MINNESOTA
JUNE 5, 1986
Acting Chair Richard Carroll called the meeting to order at 7:35 P.M. Members
present were: Porter, Masin, Ketcham, Carroll, Bertz, Alt, Caponi and Kubik.
Commission members Martin and Thurston were excused for high school
commencement obligations, although Chairman Martin was present for some of the
discussion on Hampton Heights and Fairway Hills/athletic site. Staff members
present were: Landscape Architect/Parks Planner Stephen Sullivan; Assistant
City Planner Jim Sturm and Administrative Assistant Liz Witt. Parks &
Recreation Director Ken Vraa was excused early due to illness. The meeting
was preceded by a tour of Quarry Park, Blue Cross/Blue Shield Park, Rahn Park
and a drive by of the Ohmann site.
AGENDA
Commission member Masin moved, seconded by Ketcham, to approve the agenda as
presented. The motion carried. -
MINUTES OF MAY 1, 1986
Acting Chair Carroll moved, Caponi seconded, to approve the minutes as
presented. The motion carried.
MINUTES OF MAY 15, 1986
Commission member Alt made the motion, seconded by Bertz, to approve the
minutes of the special meeting as presented. All voted in favor.
DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
1. INFORMAL REVIEW - 20-ACRE PARCEL WEST OF MOONEY LAWS (CHATTERTON POND).
The proposal is for 26 higher priced single family homes just south of St.
John Neumann Church. The Commission was asked to review trail alignments that
would affect the proposal. At the present time, there is a trail along the
south edge of Mooney Lake. There is a sliver of parkland along the east side
of the lake, however it would be very difficult to put in a trail due to the
steep terrain and heavy forestation.
Bob Engstrom, representing Robert Engstrom Associates, suggested the
Commission consider trail links to connect the development to Patrick Eagan
Park via the south edge of the lake to the St. John Neumann and Pilot Knob
Road trail rather than construct a trail around the lake. He presented slide
pictures of the area. In reference to the trail that is under water, Mr.
Engstrom noted the control level of the lake is set by the D.N.R. and right
now the level is 2' above the high water elevation.
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Parks & Recreation Director Vraa said there should be a 20' easement for
construction of a 5-8' blacktop trail. He said the trail along the south edge
of the lake is 5' wide. He stated the City would have to acquire an easement
along the high water elevation line for trail construction on the north side
and that would consume many of the lots adjacent to the lake.
There was discussion as to potential for development north of the lake.
Director Vraa pointed out there are 3:1 slopes, making it very costly or
perhaps impossible to put in a road. Commission member Masin wondered if
residents would like to be able to walk around the lake. She and JoAnn Alt
requested a field trip to the area prior to the July meeting. Commission
member Caponi thought the City should have a trail and should acquire
easements as development occurs. -Acting Chair Carroll thought the trail could
be dangerous for bicyclists, possibly leaving the City vulnerable to a
lawsuit. Parks Planner Stephen Sullivan said if a wood chip path was put in,
it would readily wash out. A blacktop trail would be tempting and dangerous
for cyclists.
It was the consensus of the Commission to view the site prior to making a
recommendation. The item will be on the July agenda with a tour of the site
scheduled for 6:45 P.M. at the regularly scheduled meeting of July 10.
NEW BUSINESS
1. 1986 - BLACKHAWK PARK - L.C.M.R./LAWCON GRANT
Director Vraa announced that the City stands to receive a $25,000 L.C.M.R.
grant. If the grant is accepted, the City would not be eligible for a grant
next year. In addition, the project application would have to be amended to
adjust for the lesser monies received. The City could well wind-up putting in
much more money than originally -planned. If the City rejects the grant, it
could apply in 1987. He recommended the Commission turn down the $25,000 on
the basis that it is too much of a financial burden to take on.
Commission members agreed with Mr. Vraa's recommendation and on a motion by
Bertz, seconded by Kubik, the Commission recommended declining the grant.
Director Vraa was directed to send a letter to the State declining the monies
for the reasons outlined above. The motion carried. Mr. Vraa was excused
from the meeting at this point.
2. 1987 - 1991 C.I.P. REVIEW
The parks section of the C.I.P. was distributed with the packet and Commission
members were asked to forward any comments to Director Vraa. It was noted
there was reference to possible bond referendums for a new community center.
Acting Chair Carroll moved, seconded by Bertz, that the C.I.P. be accepted as
distributed. The motion carried.
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OLD BUSINESS
1. TRAILWAY - HAMPTON HEIGHTS
Mark Parranto, representing Frontier Companies, requested reconsideration of
the trailway requirements for Hampton Heights. He objected to the trail
placement in the front yards of many of the lots. He stated that Coachman
Road is no longer considered a collector street and should not be subject to a
trail requirement. Mr. Parranto noted that the lots have been reconfigured to
discourage through traffic and feels that people can use the streets as a
trailway. Mr. Parranto stated further that the trail requirement for Hampton
Heights is unreasonable, is contrary to City code, and he would actively
oppose it.
Parks Planner Stephen Sullivan commented that even though the lots have been
reconfigured to discourage through traffic and Coachman Road has been
downgraded, the Commission must decide if the reasons for having a trail are
still valid. He noted that the trail policy is flexible and the Commission
must determine if this is a necessary trail link.
Acting Chair Carroll stated it is the goal of the City to provide trails to
parks. Quarry Park is a neighborhood park for the Hampton Heights
Subdivision. He said that staff had drawn up another route for the trail,
that is along Coachman to the corner of Hampton Heights, along easement
through a lot and then within road right-of-way to Ashbury Street. (There is
a trail proposed along Ashbury Road' connecting to Blue Cross/Blue Shield
Park.) It was noted that the new route has some spots of 10% grade and there
is a 14' drop from the City's public works lot to the other side of the
adjacent Hampton Heights lot. Staff felt the new alignment was workable and
could serve to alleviate Mr. Parranto's concerns about an 8' trail along
residents' front yards.
Commission member Porter questioned the need for a trail. He thought the
children could use existing streets. He did not want them crossing Yankee
Doodle Road to get to the park. Further he didn't think having a traffic
signal at that intersection would do much to insure children's safety.
Commission member Kubik wondered if we should channel people to Quarry Park.
He felt the Commission should have more information before making a decision.
It is particularly important to know if a traffic signal is planned for the
Coachman/Yankee Doodle Road intersection. Commission member Masin felt it was
much too difficult to cross Yankee Doodle Road.
Mark Parranto stated he would be at the June 17 City Council meeting seeking
final plat approval. He wondered if the Commission could recommend that
if a traffic signal is placed at the intersection, a trail will be required.
If a traffic signal is not to be installed at the intersection, then a trail
will not be required. He noted that he is working with the public works
department to berm the back lots of Hampton Heights to screen the public works
building and he plans to plant trees there also. Such activity would directly
conflict with staff's suggested new alignment of the Coachman Road trail.
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Commission member Kubik observed that all of this commentary is new to the
Commission and it is difficult to make a decision without a complete staff
report. Commission member Caponi supported Mr. Kubik's contention.
Acting Chair Carroll reiterated it is a goal of the City to have trail links
between parks. He also recognized the potential traffic problem on Yankee
Doodle Road and didn't want to compound the problem. He did not know if the
proposed trail route is feasible. He concluded by stating the Commission is
not in a position to make a decision based on the information available. He
asked if staff could provide the necessary information in time for a special
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Commission member Kubik moved to table, seconded by Ketcham. All voted in
favor. Staff was requested to research information on if and when there will
be a traffic signal at the Coachman/Yankee Doodle Road intersection.
Alternate routes for trails to both Quarry and Blue Cross/Blue Shield Parks
are to be reviewed. Information on changes being considered in the public
works landscaping plans are to be provided.
On a motion by Carroll, seconded by Porter, the special meeting date was set
for Wednesday, June 11 at 7 P.M. The motion carried.
Mr. Parranto stated that the owner of Outlot B wanted the City to have the
parcel for development as a skating rink. He said that if the City was not
interested in that proposal, he would buy it from the owner. Mr. Parranto
said he intended to combine Outlots A and B for future development.
Commission member Bertz observed that the "gift" had been discussed previously
by the Commission and there was little interest in the proposal. Director
Vraa had not voiced interest in the proposal either. Acting Chair Carroll
moved, seconded by Bertz, that Outlot B not be acquired and utilized as a
skating rink. The motion carried with Masin abstaining. She stated she did
not have enough information upon which to base a decision.
2. FAIRWAY BILLS - ATHLETIC SITE
Staff had prepared a detailed report of alternatives for athletic sites.
Commission members felt the item had been fully discussed on previous
occasions. Based upon the staff report, the Commission was ready to make its
recommendation. Commission member Bertz thought the City should have the
Ohmann site for soccer, Northview for ball fields and the Barr property for
future athletic complex. Regarding financial concerns of the Ohmann purchase
and Fairway Hills dedication, Commission member Kubik suggested staff work out
the best deal for the City. The land swap versus acquisition should be done
to the City's advantage.
Commission member Kubik moved, seconded by Caponi, the recommendation to
acquire the Ohamnn/Northview/Barr sites for approximately $600,000. The
motion carried unanimously. -
In a follow-up motion, Commission member Kubik moved, Bertz seconded, that the
land swap with the developer vs. park dedication from the developer be
accomplished to the net gain of the City. All voted in favor.
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Commission member Bertz commented that the soccer fields at the Ohmann site
should be for youth; but as needs change and the population ages, the
designated use at Ohmann may have to change. She felt the residents should be
put on notice as to the possibility of lighted fields in the future. There
was general agreement among Commission members with her comments.
PARKS DEVELOPMENT
1. PARKS CONSTRUCTION UPDATE
Parks Planner Stephen Sullivan noted that there will be a great deal of
construction starting in the next couple of weeks. The lights will soon go up
at Goat Hill Park. O'Leary and Cinnamon Ridge Parks have been seeded and
mulched. Grading for the pavillion at Trapp Farm Park will start next week.
In response to a question, there will not be a swimming beach at Trapp Farm
Park and it will be signed "No Swimming". The lake would have to be dredged
in order to make a decent swimming beach.
OTHER BUSINESS
1. PARKS MAINTENANCE - UPDATE 2. RECREATION PROGRAM REPORT
Both reports were included in the packet. Acting Chair Carroll, on behalf of
the Commission, spoke very highly of the professional, knowledgeable staff,
the work they have accomplished, and the reports they have prepared.
3. JULY MEETING DATE
Because the July 3rd meeting date would be held so close to the holiday, the
Commission voted to reschedule-the meeting date for July 10. Commission
member Masin moved, Caponi seconded, and all voted in favor.
ADJOURNMENT
On a motion by Alt, seconded by Ketcham, the meeting was adjourned. Time of
adjournment was 10:17 P.M.
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