05/05/1988 - Advisory Parks & Recreation Commission
MINUTES OF A REGULAR MEETING OF
THE ADVISORY PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION
EAGAN, MINNESOTA
MAY 5, 1988
A regular meeting of the Advisory Parks and Recreation Commission was
called to order at 7:45 P.M. on Thursday, May 5, 1988 with the following
Commission Members present: Dick Carroll, Michele Swanson, Wayne Sames, Sandy
Masin, George_ Kubik and JoAnne Alt. Staff present included Director of Parks
and Recreation,Ken Vraa; Landscape Architect/Parks Planner, Steve Sullivan;
Parks Superintendent, John VonDeLinde; Recreation Supervisor, Dorothy Peterson
and Parks Secretary, Cherryl Mesko. Commission Members not present were Bob
Porter and David Hennes.
AGENDA
A motion was made by Kubik, seconded by Swanson with all members voting
in favor to accept the agenda as presented.
MINUTES FOR APRIL 7, 1988 MEETING
Page 10, Paragraph 2, 3rd sentence should read, "Mr. Kubik suggested a
mitigation for tree replacement and enhancement if the Commission decides to
move to accept the proposal".' Page 10, Paragraph 2, last sentence under
Winkler Jackson Update should read, "Members Sames, Carroll and Swanson
attended the meeting." With the changes noted, JoAnne Alt moved,Wayne Sames
seconded with all members voting in favor to accept the minutes as amended.
TREE CITY USA
Parks Superintendent John VonDeLinde shared with the Commission the
events that led to the designation of the City of Eagan as Tree City USA. In
order to be considered the City had to have a comprehensive forestry program,
a dedicated Board and Commission, a budget dedication to forestry of at least
$1.00 per capita and a formal Arbor Day celebration. With all the
requirements met, the award was presented to the City of Eagan at the
University of Minnesota on April 20th.
Parks Superintendent VonDeLinde then presented to Chairman Carroll
representing the Advisory Parks and Recreation Commission the Tree City USA
plaque which will be displayed at the Municipal Center. The flag was also
presented to Mr. Carroll and the Commission that will be flown during the
month of May at the City Hall.
Chairman Carroll accepted the flag and plaque on behalf of the
Commission and noted that John VonDeLinde's name should be inscribed on the
plaque because it was due to his efforts that this award was received. Member
Carroll also indicated that this award was evidence of the wise investment the
City is making in it's future growth.
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CONSENT AGENDA
The following consent agenda items were presented for approval. On a
motion by Dick Carroll, seconded by Wayne Sames, with all members voting in
favor, the Commission approved recommendation to the City Council of the
following items:
1. POTTS ADDITION - That this plat be subject to a cash dedication
requirement.
2. RIDGE HAVEN ADDITION - That this plat be subject to a cash
dedication, requirement.
3. EAGANDALE LEMAY LAKE 3RD ADDITION - That this plat be subject to a
cash dedication requirement.
4. SILL ADDITION - That this plat be subject to a cash dedication
requirement.
ALDEN POND ADDITION
Steve Sullivan, Landscape Planner/Parks Planner reviewed the background
of Alden Pond Addition indicating that this item had been continued from the
last Planning Commission meeting. Staff provided the Commission with an
analysis of the Park Service Section in comparison with three other park
service areas.
Other concerns the Commission would need to deal with was the fact that
the southern 3 buildings were within 30 feet of the park and what impact that
would have on the users of the facility and determine the location of an 8
foot bituminous trail.
Member Sames questioned the need for additional tennis courts at Quarry
Park. Were they being requested because of the development or was there, in
fact a need for additional courts. It was noted that Quarry Park/Pilot Knob
Park area has a service population of 3,466 and based on existing park
standards, type and amount of facilities provided by the two existing
neighborhood parks adequately serve existing and planned population growth.
Member Alt questioned if there was room for a hard court surface at Quarry and
Steve Sullivan responded by stating that an area south of the free skate
location may be adequate for a small hard court with a single basket.
Member Kubik noted that Staff was recommending a cash contribution
rather than land and noted that with the rolling terrain perhaps a land
dedication may be an option noting the need for further facilities. Member
Masin questioned if the Commission asked for a land dedication could we then
add more items in the park. Mr. Sullivan responded by stating that that was a
possibility. Member Carroll stated the Commission might consider taking 150
feet in land dedication and the balance in a cash dedication.
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The developer for Alden Addition was present to respond to numerous
questions concerning the plat relative to the need for playground equipment
and tennis courts. He stated that 2 tennis courts would be installed in this
development. Member Kubik questioned if the City is cognizant of the play
areas that are being planned for this development to which Director Vraa
responded affirmatively. Dick Carroll questioned if the developer would leave
a green space on the south side of the property and the developer responded
that they would respond to whatever the park department recommended . George
Kubik questioned how close the building was to the property line. Steve
Sullivan stated it was 30 feet and within code. Member Kubik suggested that
the people should be aware of how close they are to the park property,
specifically the hockey rink. Dick Carroll shared Mr.Kubik's concern stating
that the skating rink is 35 feet from the boundary which would place the
building 65 feet from the rink which may pose a problem with the lights
shining in the building. Member Carroll stated he felt it was reasonable to
place a barrier between the park and building. Member Kubik strongly
recommended that the developer work with the City on plantings, etc. for this
buffer to which the developer agreed.
Wayne Sames moved, JoAnne Alt seconded with all members voting in favor
to accept staff recommendation #1, 3 and 4 which covered the following:
1. Developer provide a park dedication cash contribution.
3. The developer place additional plant material to provide a
buffer/transition between the development and the park along the
park's north boundary.
4. The developer place an 8 foot bituminous trail on the east side of
Coachman Road and along the north end of the plat extending to the
development's easterly property line to provide for trail
connection to Unisys and Pilot Knob Park.
The motion further stated that Item #2, the City construct a hardcourt play
area within Quarry Park, be brought back to the Commission at a later date and
that the developer work with Staff on playground facility and equipment.
UNISYS PARK
This proposal was for the preliminary plat of four lots on 205 acres.
Director Vraa reviewed the history of this parcel stating the Commission had
previously allowed parks dedication credit for the existing softball fields
.for this facilities development. The issue of a proposed trail alignment
between Quarry Park and Pilot Knob Park had not been resolved, however, thus
the Commission was being presented with this at this point.
Member Carroll asked if the road bed on the north edge was abandoned.
Mr.Vraa indicated that the road was barricaded last year and that if Unisys
would prefer not using the abandoned road bed perhaps they could consider a
line parallel to the road. George Kubik noted that the north side has a heavy
berm and questioned the impact the trail would have on that and suggested that
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using the road bed was very advantageous. Mr. Vraa stated that originally the
trail was to have run directly through the property, however due to the nature
of the business, Unisys would not allow the trail through this location for
security reasons.
Wayne Sames asked if an 8 foot width would be maintained over the entire
area or would the road bed width be maintained. Steve Sullivan noted that the
entire width would be maintained in the event the roadbed was to be upgraded
at a later date.
Mr. Carroll suggested an alternate trail east and south of the roadway.
Member Masin questioned if Unisys has a suggested trail at this time to which
Director Vraa answered no. Mr. Vraa indicated that Unisys wanted to provide
an agreement to provide a trail in the future.
After further discussion, Dick Carroll moved, George Kubik seconded with
all members voting in favor to recommend a trail be established to provide
access for park link between Quarrry and Pilot Knob Parks. The trail to run
along the existing abandoned road or, if this is not satisfactory, an
alternative location would be on the eastern boundary of said roadway
extending from the Four Oaks Road extension northerly to Pilot Knob Park. The
motion further states that the trail is urgently needed and propose the
provision be part of the preliminary plat to be completed within one year.
WINKLER JACKSON PARK
Steve Sullivan reviewed for the Commission the results of the
neighborhood meeting regarding Winkler Jackson Park and the proposed plans for
that park. The concept plans indicated the preservation of significant
vegetation. The plan also proposed the placement of a red cedar buffer along
Cedar Road and a deciduous overstory buffer along the proposed R-4. The
concept plans included open play area, hard court, playground,picnic area,
looped bituminous trail, sliding hill, security light and open skate area.
The residents preferred Plan B which was proposed but split regarding
the skating rink in the winter time. Steve Sullivan proposed a rink 6 - 8
feet below the street level so it would be buffered from the surrounding
residential area. Ken Vraa indicated this rink could be facilitated with
security lights rather than intense lights, to reduce the impact on the
surrounding area. The location of a free standing rink is being recommended
because of the concern for skating on the pond surface. Dick Carroll noted
that there were 21 neighbors indicating they would prefer having a skating
rink.
George Kubik moved, Sandy Masin seconded with all members. voting in
favor to accept the concept for the Winkler Jackson park as presented
according to the plans as presented.
George Kubik'noted that the neighborhood meeting was very good and there
was an excellent representation from the neighborhood. Dick Carroll added his
thanks to the neighbors for their cooperative nature.
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TRAVEL CONCESSION - MR. SITKO
Director of Parks and Recreation, Vraa outlined for the Commission the
request from Mr.Sitko for a travel concession cart to be used at various parks
in the City. Mr. Vraa stated that Staff had reviewed this issue and had both
pros and cons which were provided to the Commission. Mr. Sitko would not
frequent parks where there is a conflict as determined by the Parks and
Recreation Department. Mr. Vraa also received responses from several
communities that allow this type of vending in their parks.
Mr. Sitko addressed the Commission by stating that he had had experience
in this business in 'Chicago. This is a push cart, self contained with
hot/cold water, propane heater and ice chest for cooling. Generally people at
softball fields use this type of vendor.
Dick Carroll indicated his concern with perpetuating physical wellness,
i.e., consider foods not heavy with fat, generally more healthful types of
foods. Member Masin commented that she would like to see an idea like this
tried on a trial basis for a year or two and Member Carroll indicated his
preference for an annual contract/review. Wayne Sames asked if Mr. Sitko
would limit his sales to athletic fields to which he replied the optimum
location would be for 2+ softball fields and a playground. Several questions
were asked regarding the maintenance of such an effort, would it infringe on
concessions in various other areas, does the concession meet the needs for all
the people, etc. After much discussion Recreation Supervisor, Dorothy
Peterson noted that some guidelines should be in place before considering an
option such as this so that everyone understands the parameters under which
this will function. Michele Swanson's concern related to the use of a vendor
in neighborhood parks . Mr Sitko responded saying that he usually will not be
in a park area before 5:30 p.m. and would work more in conjunction with
softball fields rather than neighborhood parks.
George Kubik moved, Sandy Masin seconded, with all members voting in
favor for Staff to develop preliminary guidelines for the June Commission
meeting tentatively supporting the request presented.
NORTHVIEW PARK IRRIGATION
Director Vraa stated that monies have been provided for the irrigation
of soccer fields at Northview Park. Staff feels irrigation should go in at
the same time they stub in sanitary sewer for the proposed building. Funding
from the park site fund would be necessary in order to-provide irrigation to
the three softball fields and to provide for the future sanitary sewer and
water to the proposed park shelter building. Because of the continued growth
in the athletic programs the Commission. needs to be looking at .this
development now.
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Director Vraa indicated the sanitary sewer and water would run to the
northwest corner of the west parking lot in preparation for the shelter
building. Member Alt indicated it was a good idea to do the irrigation at one
time rather than wait to do it at a later date for additional money. Member
Carroll concurred stating we could get a better price doing all the work at
one time. Member Kubik asked if $25,000 was enough to do the work and
Director Vraa indicated he was comfortable with that quote.
Member Kubik moved, Michele Swanson seconded, with all members voting in
favor to designate authority to install irrigation and sanitary sewer at
Northview Park in conjunction with the planned irrigation for two soccer
fields.
WINTER PROGRAM
Recreation Supervisor, Dorothy Peterson stated that she was very. pleased
with both the Commission's and Recreation Staff's support during the winter
programming season. Dorothy thanked John VonDeLinde and his staff for an
excellent job in preparing the rinks and providing the necessary services to
make the winter programs successful.
Supervisor Peterson indicate some of the changes would include staff
training that will be more specialized with more or a first aid background
given. There is a need to spread out speed skating to eliminate the load at
Goat Hill. With the traffic at Goat Hill the deep cleaning maintenance that
is necessary poses a problem because there never seems to be a break for this
work to be accomplished.
Pond sites continue to be a concern to the Staff relative to the safety
on these sites. The Trapp Farm Park has become an exciting facility to watch.
The usage increases each year. John VonDeLinde and his crew will try to
scarify the sliding hill in the future.
Staff met with EHA/RHA regarding hockey usage. The Eagan Hockey
Association has asked to have all of Eagan be added to EHA so that all
residents in the City will play in that league.
George Kubik asked if there was any difficulty in recruiting Staff for
the winter session. Supervisory Peterson indicated there were 30 - 35
applications so it wasn't a problem. George Kubik also stated that he has had
some very positive responses from users of the parks.
TRUST FUND PROPOSAL
Director Vraa introduced a concept to the Commission based on their
concern for reforestation of areas. Mr.Vraa suggested a long standing trust
fund for a forestry budget. This would be separate from park dedication fees
collected. It was suggested that the Commission review various possibilities
to use the funds, i.e., plantings, restoring prairies, etc.
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Member Kubik stated this was an excellent idea. Would this be open to
donations from individuals and/or groups? Mr. Vraa stated it could be set up
this way but this is simply an idea for the Commission to ponder.
Member Kubik moved, Member Masin seconded with all members voting in
favor to ask Staff to develop a position paper for the Commission to review at
the June meeting relative to the Trust Fund.
PARKS DEVELOPMENT
Steve Sullivan provided the Commission with an update of pending
contracts. The Contractor for Contract 87-2 has received a punch list of work
to be completed and completion is anticipated by Memorial Day weekend.
Park Building Contract 87-13 is scheduled for completion in 2 weeks.
Thomas Lake Park Building Contract 88-18. There are 9 plan holders and
bids are due on May 9th. There are some concerns regarding this site in that
the scale of the building is larger than the site is ready for so plans are
being made to keep water away from the building which will require some
additional grading.
Bill Bradley has completed the grading plan for Ohmann Park which will
have 4 soccer fields and l softball field. They are also trying to design a
horseshoe court on the exposed part of the ponding area.
Enebec Construction was awarded the Pilot Knob bid and wants to take
granular material from the Ohmann Park site if it is available. They have
indicated they want to make an offer for the material if it is available.
Ken Vraa noted to the Commission that in looking at the design details
for Ohmann Park that with the growth of soccer in the City we need to look at
all the sites we can make available as soon as possible. Ken asked John
VonDeLinde to prepare numbers for the irrigation of these four fields. The
cost for materials and supplies for 2 fields would be $18,700, for 3 fields,
$23,500; and for 4 fields $28,300. Mr. Vraa asked the Commission to consider
doing the irrigation now when the grading work is being done.
George Kubik stated he felt it made sense to do the work now and that it
would make it easier to plan the field.
Dick Carroll moved, George Kubik seconded with all members voting in
favor to authorize expenditure of $28,300 for material and the additional cost
for installation to provide irrigation for 3 soccer fields and one combination
softball/soccer field at Ohmann Park.
LEBANON HILLS PARK TRAIL
Ken Vraa stated that Mr. Chuck Lowrey of Dakota County Parks is willing
to talk about: the trail expansion from Park Cliff through. Lebanon Hills to
Ohmann Park. ._A meeting will be scheduled in the future. with the Commission
updated.
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COMMUNITY CENTER
Ken Vraa brought the Commission up to date on the status of the
community center. The RFP's have been reviewed and five finalists out of 14
proposals have been selected for interviews. Interviews start at noon on May
10 , 1988 with a 55 minute time allocation per interview. Staff is very
pleased with the response and it was difficult to narrow down to the 5
finalists. Tom Hedges, Tom Colbert, Steve Sullivan and Ken Vraa reviewed all
of the proposals.
The program writing is proceeding as scheduled. On May 26, 7:30 P.M.
there will be a joint meeting of the City Council and Commission to review the
architectural program and make revisions and changes. An agenda will be sent
to the Commission as soon as possible.
Parks Intern, Mel Bailey put together a report on fees and charges.
Because we don't have a strong policy statement for fees and charges Staff
felt it was good to review these issues. Part 2 is complete and will be given
to the Commission before the joint meeting.
BOND FUND
Director Vraa indicated the dollar amount on the bottom of the recap
sheet does not show the dollars that will be put back into the fund from
Lawcom and Blackhawk Grant Fund. $350,000 approximately should be subtracted
from the total to give a more accurate amount.
ART PARK
A copy of the Art Park Concept was given to Mr. Caponi. Mr. Caponi is
anxious to meet with Staff and the Mayor regarding this concept.
DEPARTMENT HAPPENINGS
Many comments were made regarding the success. of the Arbor Day
Celebration and tree sale. There were several suggestions to streamline the
tree sale next year including a lottery which would facilitate the numbers of
people a little easier. All in all it was viewed as another very successful
venture.
George Kubik commented on Item #2 regarding Dakota, Inc. Ken Vraa
indicated that they were looking for repetitive, simple services for their
people. He felt it was worth a try and that Staff is proceeding with the idea
of having them clean the shelter buildings, park clean up in spring, etc. Mr.
Kubik stated this was a win/win situation and wants the Commission updated on
the progress of this project.
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Sandy Masin added a comment regarding the Mayor's questionnaire that was
sent to several residents in the City. She felt there needed to be some
clarification regarding too much emphasis on community parks versus
neighborhood parks. Member Masin made two suggestions; that Chairman Carroll
or Director Vraa contact the Mayor for clarification and that a letter be sent
to the newspaper clarifying thee terminology used by the park system regarding
community parks and neighborhood parks. Director Vraa indicated he would get
copies of the questionnaire.
Member Masin also brought to the Commission's attention the vandalism
that had occurred at Woodhaven as it relates to the picnic table. Also the
playground equipment needs repair. Parks Superintendent VonDeLinde indicated
they are aware of the vandalism and the picnic table had been taken care of
but indicated his concern in that the playground equipment is only one year
old. He also stated the skateboard ramp at the end of the tennis courts had
been found and removed. Sandy Masin further shared a request for a half pipe
in one of the park areas. Director Vraa stated that this as well as BMX
trails are an insurance liability and have not been considered in the past for
any of Eagan's parks.
George Kubik commented on the positive responses to Arbor Day at Quarry
Park and congratulated Staff for a job well done. He also indicated his wish
for a successful Mayor's fishing opener.
Recreation Supervisor, Dorothy Peterson reminded the Commission that the
Eagan Stagedoor Performers first production of "A Funny Thing Happened on the
way to the Forum" will begin on May 19, 1988 at the Little Theater in
Rosemount.
George Kubik stated that there would be a short Park Development
Committee meeting immediately following the Commission meeting.
With no further business to conduct, Michele Swanson moved, George Kubik
seconded with all members voting in favor to adjourn the meeting. The meeting
was adjourned at 10:25 P.M.
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