08/18/1988 - Advisory Parks & Recreation Commission
CONTINUATION OF REGULAR MEETING OF
THE ADVISORY PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION
EAGAN, MINNESOTA
AUGUST 18, 1988
The continuation of the August 4, 1988 Commission meeting was called to
order Thursday, August 18, 1988 at 7:00 P.M. by Secretary George Kubik. The
following Commission Members were present: Michele Swanson, Wayne Sames,
Sandy Masin, George Kubik, and JoAnne Alt. Commission Members not present
included Dick Carroll and Bob Porter. Staff present included Director of
Parks and Recreation, Ken Vraa; Landscape Architect/Parks Planner, Steve
Sullivan; Parks Superintendent, John VonDeLinde; Parks Secretary, Cherryl
Mesko; and Parks Intern, Mel Bailey.
AGENDA
George Kubik asked to have Dorothy Peterson added onto the agenda under
New Business. JoAnne Alt moved, Wayne Sames seconded with all members voting
in favor to accept the agenda as amended.
BLACKHAWK PARK
Director of Parks and Recreation Vraa reminded the Commission that the
issue of acquiring approximately 3 acres of land from Leo Murphy for access to
Blackhawk Park has been underway for some time. Recently Mr. Murphy met with
Mayor Vic Ellison, Council Member Ted Wachter, City Administrator Tom Hedges
and Parks Director Ken Vraa to negotiate the acquisition of this parcel. Mr.
Murphy was open to the City providing a credit for parks dedication with the
taking of the approximate 3+ acres and consideration for the MnDot right-of-
way turnback. The turnback area is between Deerwood and Conklin Road. If the
City can reacquire this turnback area from MnDot, it will be open to
considering turning it back then to Mr. Murphy. The question was raised
regarding title problems, if any, in making this type of transfer. With the
turnback process in it's preliminary stages this question was not able to be
answered, however, staff will keep'the Commission up to date on any and all
ramifications of this transfer.
Mr. Vraa explained that the MnDot parcel is completely land locked. The
developer to the west of this parcel has an excess amount of fill Whereas the
developer to the east has a shortage. MnDot has been approached to allow for
a haul road to transport fill from the western development to the eastern
development. MnDot has had this parcel appraised and set the value of the
property at $20,000. They have noted that they will sell the parcel so that
it can be used for a haul road if desired. Meritor Development has indicated
their desire to share in the cost of acquiring this parcel so that the fill
can be transported to and from their development.
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George Kubik expressed his hesitation in spending money on property that
would eventually be turned back to the City at no, or little, cost to the
City. It was noted that these properties are typically turned back to the City
for "$1 and other good and valuable considerations" rather than being
purchased outright.
Meritor has expressed some concern about making improvements on Conklin
(Murphy Parkway). Mr. Kubik noted that this might be used in negotiations to
allow the MnDot property to be used for the hauling of fill from development
to development feeling that options should be explored in satisfying the
needs of the adjacent developments, the City and MnDot.
Member Sames asked if a road would have to be installed to allow for the
transportation of fill across the property. Director Vraa stated that a haul
road would be required and that it could be cut at an elevation to enable its
use as a future trail. This is a conceptual idea for consideration. JoAnne
Alt questioned the need for a retaining wall for this road and Mr. Vraa
responded by stating that it probably wouldn't be necessary during the time
the road was being used..
After much discussion, it was suggested that a good faith gesture with
the developers negotiating with MnDot might be appropriate; plant materials
along the roadway or working with them on the trail may be some of the
considerations. In discussing the participation of the City in the cost of
acquisition of the property on the east side of Blackhawk Lake, George Kubik
moved that the Staff negotiate with Meritor to proceed with the acquisition of
the MnDot property in a way that will be mutually advantageous but that these
negotiations not include a monetary investment by the City in the land. The
motion was seconded by JoAnne Alt with all members voting in favor.
PARKS DEVELOPMENT
Park Planner, Steve Sullivan updated the Commission on Contract 87-18,
Thomas Lake Park. He noted that there have been no changes since the grading,
masonry and columns have been completed. They are currently waiting for the
arrival of the laminated beams which will be installed next. Beams have
arrived for O'Leary shelter and payment for $32,000 for work completed to date
has been processed
Contract 88-7 for Ohmann, Bridle Ridge and Winkler Jackson is underway.
The scrapers and graders arrived at Ohmann Park on Monday to rebalance the
site. As background, Director Vraa explained that the developer of Fairway
Hills, adjacent to Ohmann Park, went onto the park property while grading for
their development and removed 7500 yards of dirt from park property. This
resulted in having to redesign and rebalance the park. Several meetings with
the developer resulted in the understanding that the developer will be
accountable for all costs for rebalancing, and if the City is short of topsoil
we will take what material is necessary from their stockpile. George Kubik
noted that the developer should be responsible for all costs associated with
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the changes to this park development including the numerous staff hours
involved. Steve Sullivan stated that the bulk grading has been moved back one
week, however, we should be back on track in getting this park completed.
The play structure at Rahn Park has been completed near the school and
the upper playground area is under construction. The rerouting of Rahn Road
(Cliff Lake Drive) has resulted in the plan for extended parking as the
Commission requested. 60 parking stalls, which is the maximum number that can
be accommodated in the planned parking area, will be placed adjacent to Rahn
Park.
Director Vraa stated that Parks Superintendent John VonDeLinde and Park
Supervisor Jim McGuffee have been working all summer on the drought problems.
They have had watering trucks out every day and even with that effort they
have not been able to decrease the impact of this summer's drought. The
temperatures of the soil was so hot that in some cases, the roots were
destroyed thus the restoration of some park areas is not possible. It is
difficult at this time to estimate the total acres damaged and the dollars
required to restore these park areas. It is estimated that the seed costs
alone for approximately 75 acres would exceed $14,000; this figure does not
include the 1987 grading contract. Director Vraa added that the areas will
need to be re-disked and re-seeded depending on the magnitude of the damage.
Walnut Hill, for example, has had considerable damage due to the drought and
it is not clear at this point when the best time will be to begin the
restoration. A letter has been sent to the City Administrator and the City
Council addressing the damage to the park property as well as the costs to
restore which is estimated at over $25,000.
George Kubik asked if these costs would be covered by the contingency
fund. Mr. Vraa suggested that it come from general funds with some of it
coming from the park site fund.
Member Kubik asked if it is known how many trees have been lost or
damaged due to the drought. Mr. VonDeLinde stated that it is difficult to
know the results at this time. Some of the trees, primarily evergreens, have
already been removed and some of the trees are rebounding. It is just too
early to know the full impact the drought had on the tree population.
Ken Vraa stated that the department has checked with the Toro Company
regarding the irrigation for Rahn Athletic fields. Toro has been provided
with a site plan of the area and they have worked out a preliminary plan for
irrigation. The timing for installation is not known as yet but the
Commission is being asked for their approval to proceed. Mr. VonDeLinde
stated that the quote submitted by Toro, based on materials only to irrigate-3
softball and 1 baseball field, was approximately $32,900.
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George Kubik asked if this irrigation project would shut down the use of
the existing fields or would it interfere in any way with programmed uses for
the fields. John VonDeLinde responded by stating that the lateral lines would
go in this fall since league play has been completed, or early spring of 1989
before the use of the fields is needed.
Wayne Sames moved that staff proceed with the finalization of the plans
to irrigate Rahn Athletic fields, 3 softball and 1 baseball, with the pricing
of materials only to be within 10% of $32,900, and funds to be allocated from
the park site fund for this purpose. The motion was seconded by Sandy Masin
with all members voting in favor.
COMMUNITY CENTER SITE PLAN
Director Vraa reminded the Commission that Hastings and Chivetta's first
priority in working with the community center site issue was to insure that
the designated site near city hall was workable, a workable circulation plan
could be accomplished and that the access to the community center would be
conducive to the adjoining properties. Site Plan #3 as provided by Hastings
and Chivetta shows an access at Pilot Knob with internal connections to city
hall and the library. In looking at the placement of the footprint only,
Hastings and Chivetta has worked at trying to show the relationship of the
community center to city hall and the library with 4 access locations on
Wescott. They also took into consideration the future expansion of city hall
and the need for additional parking space. The site plans provided by the
architects have shown parking to meet the 300 space minimum requirement the
City asked for.
Director Vraa noted some of the areas of concern with the plan that had
been reviewed such as the current access to Pilot Knob as egress for the
police department. The configuration of the parking lot allows for the
possible use of this egress by the public. Perhaps by changing the traffic
pattern in the parking lot south of city hall it would be sufficient enough to
discourage it's use by the public... A second concern was the need to increase
the parking lot as shown on the west side of the community center building.
This lot would receive the most use and perhaps should be expanded to it's
maximum capacity. The third issue is the need to tie the components of the
site together by use of trails. There would be trails along Pilot Knob and
Wescott plus internal triangular trail to connect the community center, city
hall and library. The trail would also extend east to Denmark and along to
Patrick Eagan Park.
George Kubik asked if the parking area as shown south of the library
building is on county or city property. Mr..Vraa responded by stating that it
was on city property and that Tom Hedges was currently working with the Dakota
County Administrator to see what their reaction would be regarding the shared
road concept into the complex. These talks are only preliminary, however
Dakota County appears to be very open to the idea at this time.
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Another concern addressed was the issue of a "drop-off" area. Did that
area need to be expanded to allow drop-off from both directions in front of
the community center or could the plan work with the area as it stands. Some
of the comments included the inclusion of sitting areas, waiting areas that
would have picnic tables and/or benches, open green space and many trees. The
green space area shown to the southeast of the existing city hall should
perhaps be designed as a more "formal" green space area for users and
employees to utilize. It was also noted that the plan should incorporate as
much green space to allow for a pleasant usable and visual environment.
Director Vraa asked the Commission members to mark their calendars for
September 21, 22 and 23 which has been designated as the dates for the next
Design Charette with Hastings and Chivetta.
HAPPENINGS
JoAnne Alt questioned the cost of the T-Shirts that the department will
be selling. The cost for the shirts will be $10.00.
BOND FUND
Director Vraa brought the Commission up to date on the bond fund
expenditures to date. He noted that the department was almost at the limit
for expenditures. Wescott has some monies left, Bur Oaks Park is underway but
it appears as though these should be closed out by the end of the year.
BRIDLE RIDGE MEETING
Parks Planner Steve Sullivan told the Commission that the neighbors
surrounding the Bridle Ridge Park area have put out a survey regarding their
wants and desires for their park. The residents will be bringing their
requests to the Commission at it's September meeting. George Kubik stated
that it was good to see such positive community involvement by the residents.
BROCHURES
Director Vraa mentioned to the Commission that the department is in the
process of working on brochures for trails, tennis and shelter buildings. The
plan is to have a brochure that can be added onto as programs and facilities
expand. Wayne Sames asked if the department had looked at the option of using
recycled paper and Mr. Vraa stated that it would be researched as an option.
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REPLACEMENT OF DAVE HENNES
Ken Vraa asked if any of the Commission members knew of someone
interested in filling the vacancy as Commission member alternate they should
respond to the City Administrator. An ad has been placed in the paper to
solicit an individual to fill this position. George Kubik stated that for the
continuity of the Commission it is important that the alternate know that
his/her input and attendance is important at the meetings.
HISTORICAL COMMITTEE
A committee has been established to research the historical significance
of many of Eagan's buildings and sites such as the old town hall site, old oak
tree, McCarthy house, etc. They have already looked at the McCarthy house
and feel it has no historical value to the City. Staff has been asked to get
an estimate for destroying this building.
PARK REPRESENTATIVES
An update of the park representative program shows there are 25
representatives to date. Some responsibility issues will need to be clarified
at future meetings along with updates of specific parks.
OTHER INFORMATION
George Kubik informed the Commission Members that Dorothy Peterson was
in the hospital recovering from surgery. He stated that the department and
commission will miss her sorely but hoped she would take this time to get some
much needed rest. Director Vraa noted that the surgery had gone well but that
Dorothy would be out of the office for approximately 3 weeks.
Parks Superintendent John VonDeLinde informed the Commission that a core
grant had been approved allowing for a fishing pier to be built and installed
in Fish Lake. The pier will be similar to the one currently in Lake Calhoun.
With no further business to conduct, JoAnne Alt moved, Michele Swanson
seconded with all members voting in: favor to adjourn the meeting.
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