05/04/1989 - Advisory Parks & Recreation Commission
MINUTES OF A REGULAR MEETING OF
THE ADVISORY PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION
EAGAN, MINNESOTA
NAY 4, 1989
A regular meeting of the Advisory Parks and Recreation Commission was
called to order at 7:30 P.M. on Thursday, May 4, 1989 with the following
Commission Members present: Wayne Sames, Dick Carroll, Sandy Masin, Ted Billy,
and Jack Johnson. Staff present included Ken Vraa, Director of Parks and
Recreation; Dorothy Peterson, Recreation Supervisor; John VonDeLinde, Parks
Superintendent and Cherryl Mesko, Secretary.
AGENDA
Dick Carroll, noting that the planned park tour had been omitted added a
water quality update as item number 7 under "Other Business and Reports". Sandy
Masin moved, Ted Billy seconded with all members voting in favor to accept the
agenda as amended.
MINUTES FROM APRIL 6, 1989 MEETING
Sandy Masin noted that the last paragraph on Page 1, line 2 needed to be
changed to read "Mr. Kubik noted that the park needs to be a good neighbor....".
Jack Johnson moved, Wayne Sames seconded with all members voting in favor to
accept the minutes as amended.
CONSENT AGENDA
Mr. Vraa noted that there were no consent agenda items for the Commission
to review.
HILLS OF STONEBRIDGE - 2ND ADDITION
Ken Vraa explained that Stonebridge 2nd addition was part of the Eagan
Hills Farm PUD which consisted of approximately 400+ acres. The Hills of
Stonebridge PD was approved in September, 1987. Parks dedication was partially
fulfilled with a cash contribution, land dedication and rough grading of Bridle
Ridge Park. The remaining parkland to be dedicated consists of lineal greenways
throughout the PD dedicated at the time of platting. This application included
two greenways described as parks 4 and 5 and within the PD agreement.
Mr. Vraa noted that the city will acquire the remaining part of park #4
at the time of platting and staff suggests not accepting park #5, recommending
that the developer run the lot lines into the pond area which would leave the
ownership of the pond to the lot owners. Planning and engineering staff have
recommended that a road connection be incorporated into the plat connecting
Street A to Northview Road. Staff's evaluation concludes minimal impact will
result to the proposed parkland by including this trail link. The engineering
of the road will need to provide a pedestrian corridor continuous with the
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proposed park parcel #4 above the adjacent pond's high water elevation and
connection to Northview Road boulevard trail.
Dick Carroll noted that park #4 was part of a lineal park that goes almost
all the way to the high school and that a trail linkage would provide good
pedestrian flow. Wayne Sames asked if it would be difficult to place a trail
on the steep slopes of park #4 and Mr. Carroll noted that it would need to be
placed on the north side and would be more of a hiking trail.
Jack Johnson asked if by extending the lot lines in park #5 would the
responsibility for maintaining shoreline be on the homeowners. Mr. Vraa answered
affirmatively. Mr. Johnson then concluded that he did not see any more use for
park #5.
After further discussion Dick Carroll moved that the plat be accepted with
the elimination of Park #5 because of the limitations for use of the park, i.e.
the pond is subject to elevation change and does not provide sufficient space
on the rear lot lines to allow for a trail. The motion further provided for
a connector road between Northview Park Road and Street A. The new connector
road is to be planned so as to not impinge on park #4 and the trailway is to be
planned to provide safety for children using the trail. The motion was seconded
by Wayne Sames with all members voting in favor.
FACILITIES STANDARDS
Based on last month's meeting, Mr. Vraa stated that staff thought
demographics would be easy to track in completing this report however the figures
that are available through planning have not tied into the Park Service District
guidelines. Ken asked that this report be postponed until the June commission
meeting.
EAA/RAAA UPDATE
Dorothy Peterson stated that three weeks ago there was another meeting with
RAAA, EAA and School District 196 to review the use of fields being used by the
hundreds and hundreds of kids playing on city and school district fields. The
numbers of participants is astounding - over 3800 kids. Dorothy noted that the
good news is that because of the demand for fields there is creative use of space
and new ideas being used to facilitate all the use. At the end of the season
there will be a meeting with VAA, BAC and any other organizations that tie in
with Eagan youth to try to resolve scheduling issues. Everything is going well
at this time.
Dick Carroll noted that it was great for the programs to solve these
problems jointly. Wayne Sames asked if Rosemount and Apple Valley are adding
new facilities to help with the field scheduling problem. Mr. Vraa stated that
all of the communities have had to take fields out of commission this season
because of the damage from last summer and that has complicated the field
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availability issue. Mr. Carroll thanked Dorothy for the very comprehensive
report and continuing communication with the various organizations.
LAWCON/LCMR
John VonDeLinde stated that the City has previously submitted grant
applications to the State for LAWCON/LCMR funds through the new entitled DIED
(Department of Trade and Economic Development). One of the changes to the types
of eligible facilities and nature of ranking include playground equipment,
benches, bleachers, grills, picnic tables and so on. Another change includes
the addition of golf courses and land acquisition for community centers. This
means a broader range of applications, in comparison to past years, might be
considered. This would mean that projects such as athletic sites or neighborhood
parks should be more competitive under this new system.
If the funding is similar to 1989, than only about $350,000 will be
available in federal funds to Minnesota's communities. On the state side no
funding has been included in the state's bonding bill thus far. The funding
outlook is that grants will again be extremely competitive with the percentage
of successful proposals likely to be in the single digits. The bottom line is
that there is a limited number of dollars in grants that will be awarded.
The process will include submitting a preliminary application and then
submitting a final application if the preliminary application meets the criteria.
John noted that the Lexington/Diffley athletic site could be a candidate for
grant monies. The maximum grant limit is $300,000. Wayne Sames noted that the
largest grant issued last year was for $219,000 with the amounts usually in the
$50,000 - 100,000 range.
Wayne Sames stated he would excuse himself from voting since he was
involved in the reviewal process for these grants. Ted Billy asked Wayne if
there would be a problem with his involvement in the reviewal process. Wayne
noted that he was very involved in that process but would ask someone else to
take the lead in the initial review process once the City had submitted a grant
application.
After further discussion, Ted Billy moved to have the Parks and Recreation
Department submit one or more applications to DIED for park development. Sandy
Masin seconded the motion. Jack Johnson amended the motion by adding that one
application be submitted for the Lexington/Diffley site and leave other choices
open as options. The amended motion was accepted by all members with Wayne Sames
abstaining.
NORTHVIEW MEADOWS
Ken Vraa noted that Engineering has initiated a contract for storm sewer
improvements located in the trail corridor from Trapp Farm Park to the Northview
Meadows subdivision. During heavy rains, the down stream storm sewer was
overburdened and water backed up through a catch basin located at the corner of
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Trenton and Wescott Hills Drive. The water inundates the intersection at over
a 2' depth then proceeds to run along the trail corridor and between lots 11 and
12 resulting in extensive erosion. The project will not fully correct the
conditions of the one hundred year storm within this area but should control it.
One of the options Engineering looked at was to replace existing pipe with larger
pipe however that would involve several hundred feet of pipe and would be cost
prohibitive. Another option would be to create a new retention area by grading
within the road right of way. This hollow would hold the anticipated volume of
water with a one hundred year frequency storm. No storm water would outflow down
the sledding hill into Trapp Farm Park. The duration of the temporary ponding
would be for no longer than 24 hours.
Sandy Masin asked why this had occurred and Mr. Vraa stated that there were
not accurate calculations in determining what the water shed would be. Wayne
Sames asked if this flooding had occurred only once and Mr. Vraa stated that it
has happened twice in the same location and there have been severe wash outs at
Trapp Farm Park.
After further discussion, Wayne Sames moved, Dick Carroll seconded with
all members voting in favor to accept the proposed drainage plan for Improvement
Contract 88-29.
CONTRACT 89-12
Ken Vraa stated that Contract 89-12 had been awarded to Finley Brothers
Enterprises in the amount of $283,675 plus Alternate #3 which is the 11th court
and Alternate #7 which is for PVC piping for electrical for a total contract
amount of approximately $303,000. The school district will be paying $192,000
of the total contract amount. Staff is pleased with the results of the bid and
is looking forward to beginning this project. Alternate #1 for windscreens was
not awarded because of possible cost overruns. If some of the estimated costs
come in less than anticipated it may be possible to provide for the windscreens
at that time. Mr. Vraa noted that all additions will be added into the contract
and he is hopeful that the school district will approve the contract on Monday,
May 8.
WESCOTT STATION PARK
Mr. Vraa noted that there was an excellent response to this neighborhood
meeting with 25-30 people attending. The participants were asked to write down
the issues that were important to them for this park, i.e. what was necessary,
what was desireable and what their concerns were. The information provided will
be very helpful in putting together the concept plans. Three concept plans will
be done and presented to the residents in late June or early July for their
comments and input.
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HAPPENINGS
Dick Carroll noted that there were 100 coaches certified in the NYSCA
training program and commented that this was a very worthwhile effort.
Wayne Sames asked what the percentage of cost would be to EAA regarding
portable toilets at various locations. Dorothy responded that EAA would sustain
the costs for portable toilets at school sites and the City would sustain the
costs at the park sites.
Dick Carroll also reminded the Commission of the upcoming Fun Run on May
6. Dorothy Peterson noted that everything is ready to go and they are getting
help from the JC's, Girl Scouts, Civil Air Patrol and some of the Commission
members.
Mr. Carroll also reminded the Commission of Dorothy Peterson Day on Monday,
May 8th at Northview Park.
Mr. Carroll asked if the turf maintenance has been improving. John
VonDeLinde noted that Walnut Hill is a prime example of how things are going this
spring. Walnut is improving very well however, some other areas such as
Carnelian and parts of O'Leary are not coming back so quickly. Some areas may
need to be overseeded in order to be brought back to an acceptable condition.
Dick Carroll commented that he has been embarrassed to see what has been
deposited on park and private property by construction workers. Dick Carroll
moved, Wayne Sames seconded with all members voting in favor to recommend to City
Staff that the looks of Eagan be improved. Ken Vraa commented that staff has
been frustrated too at Northview Park and has found it necessary to clean up
the area of construction debris that has blown from construction sites. It was
suggested that a letter go out to building contractors regarding the overall look
of Eagan and the proper disposal of construction debris.
In answer to a question, John VonDeLinde noted that the park identification
signs will not be placed at sites that are not ready for public use.
John VonDeLinde noted that Commission Members wanting to see the winning
Arbor Day posters may do so before they leave this evening but the winners
haven't all been notified as yet thus the winners should not be shown at this
time. Dick Carroll asked how the Arbor Day celebration went and John responded
that it was cold and miserable but 60-70 people braved the weather and
participated. It was a very successful event. John also noted that Eagan was
given the proclamation for Tree City designation for the 2nd year in a row.
INSTRUMENTS OF EAGAN
Instruments of Eagan has approached the City of Eagan Parks and Recreation
Department for help in getting their organization up and running. They have not
indicated exactly what their needs are at this point but Mr. Vraa has indicated
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that a cash outlay would not be an option. Perhaps the department could look
at other options such as the use of a stage, sound system, etc.
PILOT KNOB SCHOOL - PLAY AREA EXPANSION
Ken Vraa explained that the school wanted to expand the play area at the
school. The cost they are anticipating would be approximately $7500. They have
asked the department to help coordinate this effort.
FIRE STATION IMPROVEMENTS (#4 AND 5)
Ken noted that there would be a neighborhood meeting on Thursday, May 11th
to discuss the improvements that would be impacting the neighborhood adjacent
to fire station 4 and 5.
PARK REPRESENTATIVE MEETING
The park representative meeting held on May 3 was attended by a very
enthusiastic crowd. The issues covered included park maintenance and water
sampling to be done by the park representatives.
GRAND OPENING - THOMAS LAKE PARK
The grand opening for Thomas Lake Park has been scheduled for June 25th.
More information will be forthcoming.
WATER QUALITY
Dick Carroll brought the Commission up to date on the latest meeting
regarding water quality. This meeting was designed to bring in developers and
get their input. The developers attending this first meeting were very receptive
to helping with the water quality issue. They were also looking for the costs
that would be involved in implementing this program but understood the difficulty
in having those numbers provided at this time.
Dick indicated that this is a long and tedious process but it is well worth
the time and effort being expended to complete it. He noted it was a pleasure
to work on such a committee.
John VonDeLinde stated that the people that had volunteered to help with
the water sampling were very enthusiastic about helping and were wanting to get
their whole family involved in water quality.
Ken Vraa indicated that there would be a Dakota County Trails meeting on
June 15, 1989. The location has not been finalized as yet, however it will
probably be at the library.
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With no further business to conduct, Sandy Masin moved, Jack Johnson
seconded with all members voting in favor to adjourn. The meeting was adjourned
at 9:10 P.M.
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