07/12/1993 - Advisory Parks & Recreation Commission
MINUTES OF RESCHEDULED MEETING OF
ADVISORY PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
EAGAN, MINNESOTA
JULY 12,1993
A re-scheduled meeting of the Advisory Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission was
called to order at 7:00 p.m. on July 12, 1993 with the following Commission Members present: Erin Ipsen-
Borgersen, John Rudolph, Ted Billy, George Kubik, Deborah Johnson, David Szott, Stephen Thompson, Frankie
Hall and Lee Markell. Commission Members Dan Mooradian and Jonathan Widem were not present. Staff
present incl uded Ken Vraa, Director of Parks and Recreation; C. J. Lilly, Landscape Architect/Parks Planner; Rich
Brasch, Water Resources Coordinator; Shannon Tyree, Project Planner and Cherryl Mesko, Secretary.
AGENDA
Erin lpsen-Borgersen moved, Stephen Thompson seconded with all members voting in favor to accept
the agenda as presented.
MINUTES OF REGULAR MEETING OF JUNE 3, 1993
Erin lpsen-Borgersen moved, John Rudolph seconded with all members voting in favor to accept the
minutes of June 3, 1993 as presented.
CONSENT AGENDA
Erin lpsen-Borgersen moved, Stephen Thompson seconded with all members voting in favor to make
the following recommendations to the City Council:
1. Prettyman Heights 2nd Addition. Lot 2 would be subject to a cash trails dedication.
2. Thorpe Woodland Gardens Addition. Lot 2 would be subject to a cash parks and trails
dedication. The development would be subject to a cash dedication for water quality and the
dedication would be based only on Lot 1. In addition, filling and draining of wetlands on the
site shall be prohibited.
3. Wuthering Heights Addition. The newly created lot would be subject to a cash parks and
trails dedication. The cash dedication for water quality would be based only on the two
undeveloped lots.
4. Stonebridge Ponds Addition. This proposal would be subject to a cash parks and trails
dedication. On-site ponding to treat all impervious area runoff from the site would be
required to meet water quality treatment requirements and the pond design would need to e
approved by City staff. Also, no filling or draining of any wetlands on the site is permitted.
5. Johnston Addition. This proposal would be subject to a cash parks and trails dedication. On-
site ponding to treat all impervious area runoff from the site would be required to meet water
quality treatment requirements and the pond design would need to be approved by City water
resources staff. If the configuration of the pond fails to meet staff criteria, only partial credit
will be allowed and the remaining obligation will be made up with a cash dedication.
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6. Park Center 4th Addition. Lots 1 and 2 would be subject to a cash parks dedication. This
proposal would be subject to the cost of the trail along Cliff Road based on the lot frontage.
Lot 1 would be subject to a trails dedication fee based on 185 frontage feet at $12.05 per foot.
Lot 2 would be subject to a trails dedication fee based on 165 frontage feet at $12.05 per foot.
The dedication fees shall be paid at the time of the building permit application. No additional
water quality treatment requirements are necessary for this development.
GARDENWOOD PONDS OF EAGAN
Shannon Tyree, Project Planner introduced this proposal as an application requesting a rezoning of
approximately 91 A (Agricultural) acres to an R-1 (Single Family) zoning district, a Preliminary Plat of 126 lots
and a variance to allow a 20' private street without concrete curb. Shannon continued that this proposed plat
is located south of Wescott Road, west of The Oaks of Bridgewater 2nd Addition, north of Northview Park Road
and east of Lexington Square 4th, 6th and 7th Additions. Shannon described the site as moderately hilly and
sloping terrain, pocketed with wetlands in the low areas. A tree survey has been done revealing approximately
1145 trees of which many are mature oaks averaging 18' in size. This item was presented before the Advisory
Planning Commission on June 22 at which time they amended Condition #21 to minimize grading.
Landscape Architect/Parks Planner Lilly reviewed the parks/trails issues as well as tree preservation
issues. He noted that more land from Lot 24 was being requested, the property line for park dedication along
Northview Park Road is to be moved further west, trail dedication along the west side of Gardenwood Drive
from Wescott Road south to Northview Park Road, an 8 foot wide bituminous trail 8 feet back of the curb is
requested as well as a cash park and trail dedication for the difference in value between the developer's 1993
park and trail dedication obligation and the actual value of land and trail dedications. The developer is also
being requested to provide tree protection to those areas where trees are to be preserved.
Water Resources Coordinator Brasch explained that the Commission will need to make a
recommendation regarding whether the proposed development should be subject to a cash and/or ponding
dedication to meet water quality requirements. It was also noted that compliance with the 1991 Wetlands
Conservation Act is required in addressing wetland impact issues on this site. Rich noted that all runoff from
the development will eventually reach Fish Lake. Also, because the wetlands associated with Ponds JP-20 and
JP-20.4 have been heavily impacted by an accumulation of nutrient-rich horse manure, these ponds need to
be excavated before being connected to Bald Lake with storm sewer. Rich concluded that the Commission has
reviewed this site thoroughly at an earlier workshop. The developer, DNR and Corp of Engineers have
reviewed the wetland issues. and the developer has worked closely with staff to resolve any remaining issues
regarding this site.
In response to a point of clarification, Shannon Tyree explained that the proposal is for 126 lots, not
139 as is indicated on one report.
Director Vraa explained that the outlots on the southern portion of the plat were hoped to be
obtainable by the City, however, Sienna has decided to develop the lots. Therefore, staff will try to match
existing outlots to provide movement via trail to the east to Bald Lake and on to the east. Ken continued that
the trail will be installed at the time of street installation and the developer has asked about concrete ratherthan
asphalt for the trail. A trail currently exists to the north on Wescott and staff is looking at a trail from Braddock
so that traffic does not occur at a 'T' intersection. Commission Member Kubik asked what the timing would
be if the developer put in a concrete trail. Director Vraa responded that it would be done at the same time
as street installation. George suggested that bituminous vs. soft surface would be a good item for review for
the Park System Plan trailway review.
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After further discussion, Ted Billy moved, Erin Ipsen-Borgersen seconded with all members voting in
favor to make the following recommendations to the City Council regarding Gardenwood Ponds of Eagan:
1. A parks dedication for Lot 24 must be revised so the lot line intersects with the shore of Bald
Lake. More land from Lot 24 is requested.
2. The property line for park dedication along Nothview Park Road is to be moved further west.
3. Trail dedication along the west side of Gardenwood Drive from Wescott Road south to
Northview Park Road. An 8 foot wide bituminous trail 8 feet back of the curb is requested.
4. A cash park and trail dedication will be required for the difference in value between the
developer's 1993 park and trail dedication obligation and the actual value of land and trail
dedications.
5. A tree survey counted a total of 1,145 trees of which many are oak trees averaging 18' in size.
The developer must provide tree protection in those areas where trees are to be preserved.
Stephen Thompson moved, Lee Markell seconded with all members voting in favor to make the
following recommendations to the City Council regarding Gardenwood Ponds of Eagan:
1. Ponding shall be required to treat all water draining to Bald Lake from impervious surfaces.
The ponds shall meet the minimum size and design standards specified by staff.
2. Excavation of Ponds JP-20.3 and JP-20.4 shall occur before the ponds are connected to Bald
Lake with storm sewer.
3. Special erosion control measures developed by staff shall be followed by the developer to
protect Bald Lake from sedimentation. These shall include, but may not be limited to,
installation of a floating silt curtain around the storm sewer outlet to Bald Lake and immediate
seeding and installation of a wood fiber blanket along the storm sewer line between JP-20.4
and Bald Lake.
4. A cash dedication will be accepted for that portion of the development draining to JP-20. 1.
5. No discharge of untreated stormwater from impervious surfaces to JP-58 shall be allowed.
Also, Pond JP-58 should not be connected to Pond JP-19.
6. Proposed Pond JP-30.1 shall be created to provide treatment for at least 10 acres of the
development. The pond shall meet the minimum size and design standards specified by staff.
7. A cash dedication will be accepted for drainage of 8.8 acres to the Wescott Road storm sewer
line.
8. The developer is allowed to fill up to .7 acres of wetland on the site and shall meet
replacement requirements as per the replacement plan submitted to City staff dated June 22,
1993.
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THE WOODLANDS 4TH ADDITION
Project Planner Shannon Tyree introduced this application for rezoning of approximately 15 acres from
AG (Agricultural) to R-1(Single Family) and a Preliminary Plat consisting of 34 lots and one Outlot on
approximately 24 acres located north of The Woodlands 1st Addition and Suncrest Addition and south of Great
Oaks Addition. Shannon continued that this item was approved by the Advisory Planning Commission on June
22 and will appear before the City Council on July 20.
Water Resources Coordinator Brasch explained that this development is located in drainage basin J and
will generate runoff that will eventually reach Fish Lake. A small portion of the site, about 2.7 acres, will drain
to the west into Pond JP-61, a sediment basin located off-site to the west of the development. The remainder
of the site's impervious areas will drain to an existing storm sewer along Woodland Trail. This branch will
discharge to Pond JP-1 4 which is served by a lift station that discharges stormwater to pond JP-31 which is the
nearest down drainage recreational water body located in Mueller Farm Park. Without additional
treatment, phosphorus concentrations in JP-31 would increase by about 4%. Rich continued that since on-site
ponding doesn't appear to be an option, there are other options that could be considered. It appears possible
to increase the wet volume of Pond JP-1 4 by raising the water level, provided an expanded flood easement can
be secured. This can be accomplished by reconstructing a portion of the inlet to the lift station. Regarding
wetlands, Mr. Brasch explained that the developer maintains that the development will not result in the filling
or draining of the two identified wetlands on site.
Director Vraa added that staff is recommending a cash parks and trails dedication for this parcel. Ken
brought the Commission's attention to a letter received by Mr.Howard Kyllo of Robert Engstrom Companies
requesting trail dedication credit for a trail connection being proposed within The Woodlands 4th Addition.
Howard Kyllo representing Robert Engstrom Companies addressed the Commission stating that they
had come up with the idea to complete a trail from Woodlands 4th through Sunrise Hills and back. It was felt
that this was a good opportunity to connect these neighborhoods. Mr. Kyllo continued that the developer is
asking that the trails dedication fee be waived for this development in lieu of a 4' bituminous path along the
route indicated. The credit is calculated for 500 feet of trail at $7.00/foot or approximately $3,500. Mr. Kyllo
concluded that Robert Engstrom Companies has paid in excess of $285,000 in park and trails fees and feel they
have paid their fair share.
Director Vraa asked who would own the trail and Mr. Kyllo responded that it would be owned by the
Homeowner's Association and they would provide maintenance for the trail.
Lee Markell asked why a 4' wide trail was being suggested rather than the City's standard 8' wide trail.
Director Vraa noted that the 4 foot width does not fit City standards for bikeways, however there are some older
trails that are 5 feet in width. Mr. Kyllo responded that they felt an 8 foot width was excessive and reiterated
the developer's request for a trails credit for this proposed trail link.
Chairman Kubik explained the options the Commission could consider; full trails dedication credit,
partial trails dedication credit or no trails dedication credit. George opined that if any credit was being
considered perhaps a percentage credit would be most appropriate. Mr. Kyllo interjected for Commission
consideration that the trailway could go to the north to serve future neighborhoods if so desired, thus becoming
an important connection for these neighborhoods. Deborah Johnson asked what the anticipated trail dedication
fee would be. Director Vraa explained it would be approximately $3,400. Ms. Johnson asked if this trail
would make the development more attractive for the developer. Mr. Kyllo responded that the trail would allow
for more interaction within these neighborhoods.
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Ted Billy expressed his concern for the maintenance and ownership of this trail. Director Vraa clarified
that it would be part of the Homeowner Association's common property and as such would be their
responsibility for perpetual maintenance. Lee Markell asked if there would be a risk of losing the trail in the
future. Mr. Kyllo responded that an easement could be created to the Homeowners Association in perpetuity
so that the trail remains. Mr. Billy reiterated his concern for a public trail linking to a private trail. Director
Vraa explained that this is an issue that can be kept clear if the Commission chooses to proceed with a trails
dedication credit. Mr. Kyllo explained that a northbound trail would provide an excellent trail option fortraffic,
however, they do not own that parcel of land to allow for that traffic flow.
Chairman Kubik explained that the Commission has been very conservative in the past in allowing
park or trail dedication credit. John Rudolph asked if the Commission would be setting a precedent in allowing
a 4' wide trail when a minimum width of 5' is standard. Director Vraa explained that an 8' wide trail, which
is what the City most commonly installs, provides vehicular access in case of accidents, maintenance, etc. Ken
continued that the maintenance of the trail would be dependent upon what the Commission decides. He noted
that staff would prefer that the homeowners association keep and maintain the trail if it was going to be 5'
wide. At a 5' width,this trail will be a neighborhood trail rather than a community used trail.
Commission Member Johnson indicated her support for a 100% trails dedication credit based on the
benefit this trail link will provide for the neighborhood. Lee Markell expressed his support of a 100% credit
as long as the trail link is a 5' wide sidewalk.
Chairman Kubik expressed his hesitance in granting a full trails credit. He suggested that if this trail
link connected to the overall trail system plan and would provide a link for the entire community than a credit
may be appropriate. This trail link, although beneficial to the neighborhood, does not serve the community
as a connection to the existing system and therefore should be considered as such. George suggested that if
the Commission was considering a credit.that his preference would be for a 1/4 or 1/3 trails dedication credit.
Lee Markell and Deborah Johnson asked if the full credit wasn't given would the developer still install
the trail link. Mr. Kyllo responded that the idea of this trail was motivated by other means rather than
monetary. Stephen Thompson responded that the Commission should be thinking about the importance of
enhancing neighborhoods whenever possible and felt this was a good example of enhancing these
neighborhoods. Chairman Kubik noted that Mr.Thompson's point was well made but suggested that the
Commission support and encourage developers to provide some of these enhancements as part of their
developments rather than provide 100% credit for an enhancement that serves a specific neighborhood(s) only.
Commission Member Billy agreed with Mr. Kubik's comments and added that the trails dedication fund is to
provide the most use to the greatest number of people in the City, therefore he was hesitant to grant a 100%
credit.
Mr. Kyl to clarified that this proposed trail will benefit 2-300 fami l ies and can provide a pleasant walking
experience for many more as this area is developed.
After further discussion Erin lpsen-Borgersen moved, Stephen Thompson seconded the motion to grant
a 65% trails dedication credit based on a 5 foot wide trail approximately 500 feet long as identified by the
developer.
In response to a question relative to the dollar amount being discussed, Director Vraa explained that
the trails dedication fee would be approximately $3,400; therefore the 65% credit would equate to
approximately $2,200. Mr. Kubik reiterated his concern for the amount of credit being proposed and asked
if the motion could be amended to provide a $2,000 credit rather than a percentage credit. Both Erin Ipsen-
Borgersen and Stephen Thompson agreed to the amendment. The motion was carried.
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Chairman Kubik clarified that this trails dedication credit in no way establishes a precedent for future
developments.
Erin lpsen Borgersen moved, Lee Markell seconded with all members voting in favor to recommend
a cash parks dedication for the Woodlands 4th Addition.
Stephen Thompson moved, Lee Markell seconded with all members voting in favor to make the
following water quality recommendations for the Woodlands 4th Addition:
1. A cash dedication in lieu of ponding be accepted to meet water quality treatment requirements
for this development. Staff shall have the latitude to adjust the cash dedication for any
additional easements that are obtained from the developer to create additional wet volume in
Pond JP-14, since the developer owns this land also. The estimated cash dedication is
$11,635.
2. Staff pursue the modification of the outlets and possibly other features of Ponds JP-14 and JP-
33 to improve their treatment efficiency and reduce pollutant loadings to Pond JP-31.
3. Filling or draining or wetlands on the site would be prohibited.
Lee Markell moved, Erin Ipsen-Borgersen seconded with all members voting in favor to make the
following recommendations to the City Council regarding Woodlands 4th Addition:
1. The proposed woodland trail runs east and west along a ridge through the center of the site.
All the existing trees located along this ridge would be removed during grading for streets and
houses. Existing trees located in backyard areas are shown to be saved. The developer must
provide protection for those trees to be saved according to the Tree Preservation Policy.
With no further business to conduct, Erin Ipsen-Borgersen moved, Lee Markell seconded with all
members voting in favor to adjourn the meeting. The meeting was adjourned at 8:15 p.m.
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