10/16/1995 - Advisory Parks & Recreation Commission
MINUTES OF REGULAR MEETING OF
ADVISORY PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
EAGAN, MINNESOTA
OCTOBER 16, 1995
A regular meeting of the Advisory Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission was called
to order at 7:00 pm on October 16, 1995 with the following Commission Members present: Cindy Lynch,
David Szott, Jonathan Widem, Lee Markell, George Kubik, Sherie Wallace,Stephen Thompson and Michael
Vincent. Commission Members John Rudolph and Ken Tyler were not present. Staff present included
Dorothy Peterson, Superintendent of Recreation; Paul Olson, Parks Superintendent; CJ Lilly, Landscape
Planner/Parks Planner; Gregg Hove, Forestry Supervisor; Rich Brasch, Water Resources Coordinator; Jon
Oyanagi, Recreatio Supervisor; Walker Lee Ashley, Youth Development Coordinator and Cherryl Mesko,
Secretary. Director of Parks and Recreation Vraa was not present.
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Recreation Superintendent Peterson added Blackhawk Park Pavilion under Old Business; Blackhawk
Park Playground Equipment Removal under New Business; Appointment of Caponi Art Park Liaison and
Natural Resources Subcommittee Appointment under Other Business and Reports. Jonathan Widem moved,
George Kubik seconded with all members voting in favor to accept the agenda as amended.
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George Kubik moved, Jonathan Widem seconded with all members voting in favor to accept the
minutes of regular meetings of August 18, 1995 and September 18, 1995 as presented.
There were no visitors in the audience who wished to be heard under this agenda item.
Items highlighted by Recreation Superintendent Peterson included certifying over 300 coaches
through the NYSCA Coaches Clinics; preparation for the move back to the Municipal Center scheduled for
October 30; 73 adult volleyball teams are participating in the fall league and an influenza immunization
clinic is scheduled at Oak Woods on November 14. Parks Superintendent Paul Olson discussed the
assistance by the Street Department with the extension of a non-motorized trail into Patrick Eagan Park
adjacent to the Caponi Art Park; the Sentence to Serve crews in conjunction with City staff have installed
2500 yards of sod and fill at Lexington Diffley; lake information kiosks have been installed and filled with
information about lake quality protection at Schwanz and Carlson Lakes; and the alum dosing pilot project
for Fish Lake was completed on schedule in late August.
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Jonathan Widem moved, Sherie Wallace seconded with all members voting in favor to make the
following recommendations to the City Council relative to the following development proposals:
1, Preliminary Subdivision and PD - Pet Food Warehouse. This development shall be
responsible for a cash parks dedication and a cash trails dedication. Water quality
requirements were previously met for this site and the entire Park Center PD with the
construction of a detention basin (Pond AP-50) located south of the Senior Housing site. There
are no wetlands on site and there are no significant trees on this site.
2. Benson-Orth Associates - Xpress Lube. This development has fulfilled its parks dedication
requirements but shall be responsible for a cash trails dedication.
3. Conditional Use Permits - Hoovestal, Inc. This development has fulfilled its parks dedication
requirement but shall be responsible for a cash trails dedication. The Tree Preservation Plan as
proposed shall be approved. Tree Protective Measures (i.e. 4 foot polyethylene laminate safety
netting) shall be installed at the Drip Line or at the perimeter of the Critical Root Zone,
whichever is greater, of significant tree/woodlands to be preserved. The developer shall
contact the City Forestry Division at least five days prior to the issuance of the grading permit
to ensure compliance with the approved Tree Preservation Plan. There are no wetlands on this
property, however the developer shall work with Water Resources staff so that the proposed
detention basin will be modified to increase its minimum mean depth to 2.5 feet and wet
volume to .4 acre feet. Approval of this request is subject to conditions that address the
engineering and water quality issues.
There were no development proposals for the Commission to review.
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT - BENSON-ORTH DEVELOPMENT
Superintendent Peterson introduced this item explaining that the Commission had reviewed this
development at their September 18 meeting but had deferred it for further review by the Natural Resources
Sub-committee. This development requests approval of a Conditional Use Permit for a truck and freight
terminal on 3.68 acres currently platted as Lots 19, 20, and 21, Block 5, Eagandale Industrial Center Park
#3 located on the west side of Neil Armstrong Boulevard south of Apollo Road in the NW 1/4 of Section
11.
Jonathan Widem, Natural Resources Sub-committee chair explained that during the discussion by
the sub-committee the only unresolved issue appeared to be tree preservation. He noted that the original
tree removal was proposed to be 87.5% but after meeting with the developer, the removal has been
decreased to 55.5%. Although the ordinance calls for 30% allowable removal, the sub-committee opined
that the developer had gone to great lengths to decrease the tree removal on site by moving the building
and reducing/reconfiguring parking stalls. The sub-committee felt that the intent of the Tree Preservation
Guidelines had been preserved with this development even though the 30% allowable removal could not
be maintained and that the developer had made a commendable effort to work with staff to mitigate tree
loss on site.
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After a brief discussion, Jonathan Widem moved, Stephen Thompson seconded with all members
voting in favor to recommend to the City Council that the conditions identified by staff be approvoved
relative to the Conditional Use Permit for Benson-Orth Development:
COMMUNITY ROOM USE POLICY
Superintendent Peterson introduced this item noting that it had been reviewed at the September 18
Commission meeting and deferred to the Recreation Sub-committee for further review and recommendation.
Peterson continued that the sub-committee met on October 2 to review this issue and make a
recommendation as directed by the Commission.
Issues identified by the sub-committee included permissibility of beer, wine and alcoholic
beverages, administrative issues such as waivers, access fee or prepayment and fee rates. Other issues
discussed were the access to the facility during non-business hours, reservations during hours other than
7:00 am - 10:00 pm and damage deposits. Superintendent then reviewed the recommendations/revisions
made by the Recreation Sub-committee along with the proposed fees.
Member Markell asked when this issue would be re-visited if the Commission recommended
approval of the sub-committee's recommendations. Superintendent Peterson responded that this would be
reviewed annually along with all other fees charged by the City.
After a brief discussion, George Kubik moved, Jonathan Widem seconded with all members voting
in favor to make the following policy recommendations to the City Council for Community Room use:
1. It is the policy of the City of Eagan that access to the Community Room, acceptance of
reservations and levels of fees shall be as outlined for categories of user groups.
2. The Department of Parks and Recreation shall administer the calendar of reservations, accept
revenue and schedule operations. Reservations will be accepted on January 2 for the ensuing
calendar year.
3. Fees, subject to annual review by the City Council, shall be assessed as outlined for the
various categories of users.
4. Non-City groups utilizing the Community Room either during regular Municipal Center office
hours or after hours shall be provided access to the facility through city seasonal building
supervisor staff.
5. The Community Room, in its basic state shall be an open room. Chairs and tables shall be
stacked. Each user group shall set up according to its needs and take down at the end of the
event. All garbage/trash shall be placed in the receptacles provided including recyclables.
6. The serving kitchen adjacent tot he Community Room is available for use. Access is to be
arranged at the time the reservation is made. The City does not provide coffee pots, dishes or
tableware.
7. Reservations by community group shall be limited to once a month, between the hours of
7:00 am and 10:00 pm. Requests for more frequent use require review by the City Council.
8. Requests for events beginning prior to 7:00 am or extending beyond 10:00 pm require
authorization at the time the reservation is made.
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9. Smoking is not permissible in the Community Room or in the Municipal Center itself.
10. Beer, wine and alcoholic beverages are not permitted to be served in the Community Room.
11. Storage space is not available.
Community Room User Groups were identified as follows:
1. City Departments
a. Park and Recreation programs
b. Other City departments
c. Commission sub-committee meetings
*Reservations must be scheduled one week in advance
*These activities may not pre-empt a previously scheduled non-City activity.
d. Fees: No Charge
2. Youth Groups (examples)
a, Local Boy and Girl Scouts
b. Eagan Athletic Association
c. Eagan Hockey Association
d. Local 4-H groups
*Reservations must be scheduled a minimum of two weeks in advance.
Reservations can be made beginning January 2 for that calendar year.
e. Fees: No Charge
$150 damage deposit required at time of reservation
3. Local Civic Groups (non-profit - examples)
a. Rotary Club
b. Local Jaycee's
c. Local Lions Club
*Reservations must be scheduled a minimum of two weeks in advance.
Reservations can be made beginning January 2 for that calendar year.
d. Fees: No fee will be charged during regular business hours.
During non-business hours a fee of $20 per hour
(or the current fee set on an annual basis)
$150 damage deposit required at time of reservation.
4. Local Resident Groups (examples)
a. Parties, graduations
b. Receptions
"Reservations must be scheduled a minimum of two weeks in advance.
Reservations can be made beginning January 2 for that calendar year.
c. Fees: Fee charged at $20 per hour/Daily maximum of $200
(or the current fee set on an annual basis)
$150 damage deposit required at time of reservation.
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5. Non-Resident Groups
a. Meetings
b. Parties
c. Receptions
vReservations must be scheduled a minimum of two weeks in advance.
Reservations can be made beginning January 2 for that calendar year.
d. Fees: Fee charged at $50 per hour/Daily maximum of $350
(or the current fee set on an annual basis)
$150 damage deposit required at time of reservation.
6. Profit Making Groups
a. Corporation meetings
b. Eagan Business meetings
*Reservations must be scheduled a minimum of two weeks in advance.
Reservations can be made beginning January 2 for that calendar year.
c. Fees: Fee charged at $50 per hour/Daily maximum of $350.
(or the current fee set on an annual basis)
$150 damage deposit required at time of reservation
HOLZ FARM OPEN ISSUES
Recreation Supervisor Oyanagi explained that there were additional appointments to the Holz Farm
Task Force for the Commission to review and recommend. Those individuals were Pam Johnson, Steve
Levin, Vivian Neiger and Patti Johnson.
Supervisor Oyanagi continued that the September 23 event at Holz Farm was very successful with
over 600 people stopping by during the afternoon. Member Kubik commented on what a great event it
turned into.
It was noted that SEH has begun a structural analysis of the building(s) and will report their findings
to the Task Force. The removal of bat guano will begin shortly, Oyanagi continued, and will be done by
staff since the only quote received for removal was $2,500. Much care will be taken during this process to
protect from potential inhalation of any particles.
The Task Force has visited several other working farms and followed up with brain storming
sessions to determine how to best make use of Holz Farm. Oyanagi commented that the survey during the
open house revealed that most people wished to see this property used for an historic farm.
After further brief discussion, Stephen Thompson moved, Jonathan Widem seconded with all
members voting in favor to recommend that Pam Johnson, Steve Levin, Vivian Neiger and Patti Johnson be
added to the Holz Farm Task Force.
BLACKHAWK PARK PAVILION
Park Superintendent Olson explained that the Commission had looked at preliminary designs for
the Blackhawk pavilion at a previous workshop session and provided input for a design they would like to
see at this location. Staff has taken the Commission's suggestions and incorporated them into a design they
feel will work effectively at this park. Olson continued that the orientation of the building has been rotated
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more northwest based on the Commission's recommendations. The building is designed in three pods, or
use areas, that will hold approximately 200 people. Two of the pods will be open similar to other park
pavilions and the third will have 4 overhead garage doors to allow the building to be open as weather
permits and closed during inclement weather. The enclosed area will house restrooms, a kitchen area and
storeroom. The site was designed to allow one group or multiple groups to use the building at the same
time Olson continued.
The building will be bid with asphalt shingles with a metal roof as a bid alternate. The gathering
area to the north of the building, overlooking Blackhawk Lake is also being bid at a bid alternate. This area
includes retaining wall and fire ring. The architect's estimate for this project, Olson stated, is $307,000
which is within the budget projected for this building. It is also expected that staff will ask tat a well be
drilled on site rather than extending the water from the residential area to the northwest. It is expected the
well will cost 1/3 of what the cost would be to extend the water. Staff will also explore the possibility of
placing a drain field on this site rather than running sanitary sewer for the same reasons.
Member Markell asked how much room would be provided in each of the pods. Superintendent
Olson explained that each of the three pod spaces was 36' x 36' with additional space in the open
triangular area that connects the pods.
Member Markell asked why the building was being bid at this time. Superintendent Olson
responded that it is hoped that this facility can be open by July, 1996 and in order to accommodate that
time frame, work needs to begin this winter. Member Kubik commented that the outside seating area to
the north of the building would be a benefit if it was cost effective to construct it. Member Vincent
concurred that this fire ring/gathering area would be a positive benefit. Member Markell asked if the area
would be handicapped accessible because of the significant grade change. Superintendent Olson
responded that handicapped access to this area would be via the trail.
George Kubik moved, Michael Vincent seconded with all members voting in favor to recommend
to the City Council that the Blackhawk Park pavilion building be authorized for bid as presented.
BLACKHAWK PLAYGROUND REMOVAL
Superintendent Olson explained that the Commission is requested to review the options relative to
the "old" playground equipment located on the west side of Blackhawk Park near the residential area off
Riverton Avenue. This equipment no longer meets standard codes applicable to playground installation and
needs to be removed for safety reasons. Olson also noted that since there was a much larger playground
structure installed within Blackhawk Park, the Commission would need to decide if this was sufficient for
this park of if an additional, smaller structure should be installed to replace the "old" structure.
Member Kubik asked how much use the "old" playground received. Superintendent Olson
responded that it appears there is little use because of the diminished play value. Several components have
been removed because they have been broken over the years and some have been removed for safety
reasons.
After a brief discussion Stephen Thompson moved, Michael Vincent seconded with all members
voting in favor to remove the "old' playground equipment located on the west side of Blackhawk Park and
work on other options for the use of that space. Member Wallace added that there should be very clear
communication with the residents so they are aware the equipment is being removed.
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TRAIL ON SLATER ROAD
Landscape Architect/Parks Planner Lilly explained that the City is attempting to place 1400' of trail
along the Whispering Woods division adjacent to Burnsville on Slater Road. There are 11 homesites along
this area and staff is coordinating with the developer to identify the locations of the driveways in
conjunction with the alignment of the sidewalk to allow for the appropriate reinforcement throughout the
trail. The issue at this time is whether the concrete bids will be competitive enough to allow for the
installation yet this year. It was hoped that the work could be done in 1995, however, concrete bids have
been high based on the overabundance of work for that industry so the work may not be able to be done
until 1996. Member Thompson asked why this trail was concrete rather than bituminous. Planner Lilly
responded that it was matching the existing sidewalk in Burnsville. Lilly concluded that this was provided
for Commission information and there was no action required.
LEXINGTON/DIFFLEY ATHLETIC SITE
Planner Lilly explained that a building would be constructed next to the US West building with
some of the work being completed by maintenance staff. Lilly also stated that historic block will be
acquired for the installation of the entrance signage at the athletic site. He continued that a concrete bid
has been acquired for the footings for the sign and the Streets Department will do the excavation and
backfill of the site to reduce the overall price of the project.
Member Markell asked what the price was for the stone. Lilly responded it was $15,000 furnished
and installed. Markell asked if the City could acquire additional stone in the future. Member Vincent
commented on the innovate ideas from staff to provide quality products for a reasonable cost.
FISH LAKE DRAWDOWN
Water Resources Coordinator Brasch explained that one component of the rehabilitation for Fish
Lake was the temporary reduction of the lake by 5 feet prior to ice formation in late November/early
December and then bring the level back to normal. This will be in an attempt to expose the bottom and
kill the buds of the plants that are choking out the lake. There will be a mailing in November to the
shoreline residents about the proposed process. The DNR is also review this issue and have expressed
some fishing concerns but also feel this option is worth evaluating.
REVIEW/APPROVAL EAGAN PROMENADE WETLAND REPLACEMENT
Coordinator Brash explained that the Natural Resources Subcommittee has reviewed this
development in the past and were directed to develop a recommendation regarding approval of the wetland
replacement plan after the 30 day public comment period mandated by the WCA was over. Since that
comment period is over it is appropriate that the Commission re-visit this issue and make a
recommendation to the City Council. Coordinator Brash added that only one comment was received from
the public which was positive.
The replacement plan, Brasch continued, would involve the creation of 1.08 acres of wetland
adjacent to existing wetland areas in the north central portion of the site. This results in the proposed
replacement ratio of approximately 2.3:1 which exceeds the 2:1 ratio specified in the WCA.
After a brief discussion, Jonathan Widem moved, George Kubik seconded with all members voting
in favor to approve the proposed wetland replacement plan.
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BOULEVARD TREE INVENTORY PRESENTATION
Superintendent Olson explained that the Forestry Department has been working in conjunction with
the Street Department to provide a complete boulevard tree inventory. Olson introduced Forestry
Supervisor Hove who provided background of the project and then introduced Mark Rehder, Forestry Intern
who did the actual inventory.
Rehder explained that in doing the inventory a boulevard tree was defined as any tree that is rooted
within fifteen feet of the curb. A total of 15,669 trees were inventoried for the project and eighteen data
fields were taken for each tree. The data fields include information that will be useful to the Forestry,
Planning and Streets Departments. Rehder continued that the tree sites were hand plotted on maps
supplied by the engineering department and then an address and site number were given to each boulevard
tree found on a lot. Both tree and non-tree visual site obstructions were also noted. A unique GIS number
was also attributed to each tree. When the maps are digitized and a GIS program is in place, a spacial
display of all the trees in the city, including their eighteen data fields will be available.
Intern Rehder reviewed the data fields and results of the data. It is hoped that the data will be used
by multiple departments. One of the largest concerns that surfaced during the study was how close small
trees are planted to the curb which can produce some potential problems in the future. It was suggested
that education be an important component in addressing boulevard tree planting in the future.
Member Markell asked if the trees that presented problems with site obstruction were planted or
native. Rehder responded they were primarily planted. Member Wallace asked if there were many trees
that needed to be removed. Rehder responded that there were many trees that need to be removed.
Member Kubik asked if there was enough information from this inventory to set a planting policy for
boulevard trees. Forestry Supervisor Hove responded that a case by case evaluation may work better at the
present time. Member Kubik thanked Intern Rehder for his in-depth report and commented on the wealth
of information this can provide for the City.
SUMMER PROGRAM REPORT
YOUTH DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR
Recreation Supervisor Ashley explained that the Youth Development program is o the move and
expanding to other areas of the City. Ashley continued that programs continue in Wescott Commons and
has been stabilizing since last year and reviewed the pre-school, latchkey, tutoring, young male
development, young female development and sports programs that have been offered over the past year in
that location.
Expansion to the Quarry Park area has begun with a youth rally to solicit programming ideas for
this community. The Duckwood area will also be incorporated in the Youth Development programming,
however, programs will not occur at this site, although the youth will be invited to participate in activities
offered throughout the City.
Supervisor Ashley commented that budget is a real concern for these programs since the areas are
primarily low income and although fees charged are minimal, some people cannot afford to participate.
Youth Development does not generate much revenue and Supervisor Ashley expressed his hope that
revenue can be generated from other programs to offset some of the costs.
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Member Markell asked what kind of staff Walker Lee had for the Youth Development programs.
Ashley responded there were six. Markell asked what Ashley what his budget was. Supervisor Ashley
responded he didn't know for sure. Member Kubik asked if there were programs that Youth Development
was looking to implement in the future. Supervisor Ashley responded he would like to incorporate some
educational trips such as the Northwest training facility, museums, plays, etc. Member Markell thanked
Supervisor Ashley for his report and input.
NXINFIRMI
Lee Markell, Michael Vincent, David Szott and Sherie Wallace agreed to serve on the Caponi Art
Park Committee. Four members were appointed to ensure attendance at all the meetings.
With the resignation of Tom Walkington from the Advisory Commission, Stephen Thompson agreed
to serve on the Natural Resources Sub-committee.
With no further business to conduct, Jonathan Widem moved, Michael Vincent seconded with all
members voting in favor to adjourn. The meeting was adjourned at 9:10 pm.
Secretary Date