10/20/2003 - Advisory Parks & Recreation Commission
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ADVISORY PARKS COMMISSION
EAGAN, MINNESOTA c Arena front
:00 pm
Monda y, October 20, 2003
7:00 PM
Eagan Municipal Center
City Council Chambers
A. Call to Order and Pledge of Allegiance 7:00 pm
B. Approval of Agenda 7:02 pm
C. Approval of Minutes of Regular Meeting of September 15, 2003 7:04 pm
D. Visitors to be Heard 7:05 pm
E. Superintendent's Update and Department Happenings Pages 3-4 7:06 pm
(1) Recreation Program Update - Sonya Rippe Pages 5-6 7:15 pm
(2) Civic Arena Program Update-Mark Vaughan Pages 7-10 7:30 pm
F. Consent Agenda 7:40 pm
G. Development Agenda
(1) Lexington Ridge - Millerville Inc Pages 11-13 7:41 pm
(2) deferred to November
(3) Woodland Place - Epic Development, LLC Pages 14-16 8:00 pm
H. Old Business
(1) Disc Golf Pages 17-19 8:20 pm
(2) Alternative Funding Options Pages 20-23 8:40 Pm
1. New Business 8:55 pm
J. Water Resources Update 9:00 pm
(1) JP-47 Update Page 24
K. Other Business and Reports
(1) Patrick McCarthy Property Update 9:15 pm
(2) Subcommittee Updates 9:20 pm
o Naming Rights
L. Communications 9:30 pm
M. Round Table 9:35 pm
N. Adjournment 9:45 pm
The City of Eagan is committed to the policy that all persons have equal access to its programs, services, activities, facilities, and
employment without regard to race, color, creed, religion, national origin, sex, disability, age, marital status, sexual orientation, or
status with regard to public assistance. Auxiliary aids for disabled persons wishing to participate are available upon request at least 96
hours in advance of the event. If a notice of less than 96 hours is received,, the City will attempt to provide the aids.
Next Advisory Parks Commission Meeting:
November 17, 2003
ADVISORY PARKS COMMISSION
2003 MEETING SCHEDULE
NAME Feb Mar Apr May AM U Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Jan
13 17 14 19 16 14 18 15 20 17 15
Joseph Bari x X X X X X X X
Phil Belfiori x X X X 0* X 0* X
Margo Danner x X X X X X X X
Terry Davis x X X X X X X X
N. Mark Hip x 0* X X X 0 X X
BQabeth Perry x X X X X 0 X X
Dorothy Peterson x X X X X X X X
Rchard Pletcher x 0* X X 0* X X X
Ken West (alternate) X 0 0* 0 O X X X
Melvin Williams x 0* X X 0 0 0 0
X = present 0 absent 0* = notified staff of absence prior to meeting 4
Recreation Sub-Committee Natural ResDurcesSub-Committee AcauisitioNDevelopment Sub-Committee
Richard Fletcher N. Mark Filipi loseph Bari
Melvin Williams Elizabeth Perry Phil Belfiori
Ken West
Margo Danner
Liaison to Holz Farm Study Terry Davis
Dorothy Peterson Dorothy Paterson
UPCOMING MEETING& OPEN ISSUES
9-17-03 5:30 pm Alternative Funding - continued discussion 1,
9-29-03 5:45 pm Donor naming policy discussion gated far subgg mittee in Se^' Q3 •R °"eF
2.
3. Novermber- Subcommittee meet with Friends of the Farm to
discuss National Register of Historic Races- D. Peterson
ADVISORY PARKS COMMISSION
2003 MEMBERS
NAMEAND ADDRESS TERM TELEPHONE TERM
EXPIRES
START
JOSEPH BART 1999 651-454-8442 (H) 1/2005
3033 Timberwood Trail (3 yr. 1999)
Eagan, MN 55121 (3 yr. 2002) jbaril Quno.com
PHIL BELFIORI 2002 651-905-0293 (H) 1/2006
3671 Canary Way (1 yr. 2002) 651-297-8026 (W)
Eagan, MN 55123 (3 yr. 2003) Fhil.Belfiori@BWMdatamn.us
MARGO DANNER 2001 651/454-5688 (H) 1/2004
2037 Flint Lane (3 yr. 2001)
Eagan, MN 55122 mrsnagoo@usfamily.net
TERRY DAVIS 1997 651-452-2635 (H) 1/2006
Chair (3 yr. 1997) 651-310-8941 (W)
4895 Safari Pass (3 yr. 2000) 452-2152 (Homefac)
Eagan, MN 551222690 (3 yr. 2003) terry. davisQstpaul. com
N. MARK FILIPI May, 1997 651-602-1725 (W) 1/2004
836 Overlook Race (3 yr. 1996) 651-687-9366 (H)
(3 yr. 2001) mark.fi1ipi@metc.stde.mn.us
Eagan, MN 55123
ELIZABETH PERRY (LIZA) 2002 612-414-6056 (cell) 1/2005
3298 Rolling Hills Drive (3 yr. 2002) 651-452-5200 x138 (W)
Eagan, MN 55121 651-452-3201 (H)
elizabeth.perry@pulte.com
DOROTHYPETERSDN Vice Chair 2000 651-454-6532 (H) 1/2006
4337 Sequoia Drive (3 yr. 2000)
Eagan, MN 55122 (3 yr. 2003) nor*4337@juno.com
RICHARD PLETCHER Secretary 2001 651-687-9177 (H) 1/2005
1074 Northview Park (1 yr. 2001)
Eagan, MN 55123 (3 yr. 2002) richard.pletcher@usaro-emh2.army.mil
KEN WEST 2003 651-687-9152 (H) 1/2004
600 Lone Oak Road (1 yr. 2003) 651-303-3316 (W)
Eagan, MN 55121 (alternate)
MELVIN WILLIAMS 2001 651-994-6727 (H) 1/2004
823 Wescott Square (3 yr. 2001) tuboj@mm.com
Eagan, MN 55123
Eagan City Staff E-Mail:
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TO: ADVISORY PARKS COMMISSION
FROM: KEN VRAA, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION
DATE: OCTOBER 17, 2003
Commission Members will tour the Eagan Civic Arena prior to the meeting. Please meet at the
main entrance of the Civic Arena at 6:00 p.m. if you will be joining the tour.
ITEM A: Call to order
ITEM B: Approval of agenda
ITEM C: Approval of minutes of September 15, 2003
ITEM D: Visitors to be Heard
Staff is not aware of anyone wishing to address the Commission at this time.
ITEM E: Superintendent's Update and Department Happenings
Superintendents Olson and Asfahl will review several items of interest to the
Commission and community. Reports will also be presented by Sonya Rippe,
Sports Program Supervisor and Mark Vaughan, Civic Arena Manager.
ITEM F: Consent Agenda
There are no Consent Agenda items for the Commission to review this month.
ITEM G: Development Proposals
1. Lexington Ridge was previously reviewed by the Advisory Commission in
July and recommended for denial because of proposed access through the
Lexington Diffley Athletic Fields. The revised plan for the Remo Caponi
property shows access occurring off Diffley Road as the Commission had
recommended.
2. The Woodland Place proposal is located adjacent to the former Richard Holz
property which was acquired by the City for future incorporation into the
historic Holz Farm.
Because both of these proposals are relatively close to existing parks,
Commission Members should try to drive by the sites prior to the meeting to have
a general understanding of the development proposal and its potential impact to
Lexington Diffley Athletic Fields and Holz Farm. Background memos are
provided in the packet for both developments.
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ITEM H: Old Business
L As requested by the Advisory Commission, staff has prepared follow-up
information regarding the viability of placing a disc golf course in Eagan. The
memo reflects discussion with Dakota Hills Middle School to collaborate on
this project. Staff is seeking a recommendation by the Advisory Commission
on how they wish to proceed.
2. A background memo is also included that recaps the many discussions held by
the Advisory Commission regarding alternative funding options as directed by
the City Council. The Commission may wish to make a recommendation as
to how they propose to present the fmdings to the City Council.
ITEM I: New Business
There were no New Business items identified for the Commission to discuss.
ITEM J: Water Resources Update
An overview of the public meeting regarding Pond JP-47 is included in the packet
along with the October 1, 2003 meeting brief. Water Resources Coordinator
Macbeth will also provide any additional information relative to the Water
Resources division.
ITEM K: Other Business and Reports
1. A brief verbal update will be provided regarding the Patrick McCarthy
property.
2. Subcommittees that may have met since the September meeting may want to
update the Commission on their work efforts.
ITEM L: Communications
The Advisory Commission discussed a potential meeting with the Historical
Society regarding the possible preservation of two houses. Minutes from the
Historical Society are included in the packet which recaps their discussion
regarding these properties. This is provided as information only and no action is
required.
ITEM M: Round Table
Any items of concern or interest by Commission Members can be shared at this
time.
ITEM N: Adjournment
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Department Happenings
October 20, 2003
RECREATION DIVISION
• Northview Concession Stand's last night for the year was Thursday, October 2. Staff will clean and
close it up for the winter.
• Information about winter leagues was mailed out to teams the beginning of October. Returning team
registration is November 10-14 and new team registration is November 17-21.
• Eagan Parks & Recreation hosted the MRPA Touch Football State Tournament on October 11, 2003
at Northview Athletic Fields. 9 team participated in the one-day tournament.
• Eagan seniors are busily preparing for the new Eagan Senior Program Development Board which
will launch in January.
• Fall and winter bring a variety of special activities for seniors. First is the Halloween BOOgie and
then the potluck with the preschool costume parade. Shortly after is the Turkey Time dinner at the
Commons on Marice, and then the Ho Ho Holiday dinner will finish the season in December.
• The Halloween Hodgepodge is planning frighteningly fun activities for Sunday, October 26 at
Northview Park. From 4:30 - 6:30 the whole family will enjoy creepy crafts, ghostly games,
phantom photos and more. After the sun goes down the shadows creep out of the woods and the
Terror Trail begins and Tales in the Graveyard are told.
• Adapted Track finished its season on with a mock meet and awards for everyone. The successful
program, with adapted activities, attracted more than 25 youth with special needs.
• The annual Lone Oak Days festival at Holz Farm was a success again this year. Friends of the Farm
host a great family event! It is projected that approx 1300 individuals were in attendance.
• Fall youth athletic programs are winding down and will conclude later this month.
• The Community Center and Central Park Grand Opening event was a tremendous success. It was
truly an event for the community and about community!
0 The winter edition of the "Discover" activities brochure is in production and will be distributed to all
Eagan residences during the week ofOctober 27.
• The Eagan Art House again reports record program registrations for their fall programs.
• Preschool classes are in the middle of the fall session. Over 80 children and 60 parents attended a
field trip to Sponsel's Apple Orchard during the second week of October. A great time was enjoyed
by all.
• Firefighter Chris (Grubb) and his staff will visit the preschool classes during the week of November
0. They will discuss fire safety, fire prevention and allow the children to see what a fully equipped
firefighter looks like.
• Pre-registration for the winter session will begin October 20th for currently enrolled preschool
students. Open registration for the public will begin on October 27I'. Limited space remains for
Tiny Tots and Friday Friends.
• Late fall registration for the classes at the Community Center will be extended to October 31.
• The preschoolers and their families are invited to the Lone Oak Room for a costume parade on
Wednesday, October 29`h at noon.
PARKS DIVISION
• The process of winterizing facilities and throughout the park system is well underway. Because it
takes 3- 4 weeks to complete the process a system of prioritization is used. Low priority sites include
the irrigation systems at fire stations, which are shut down first, whereas high priorities sites such as
the class A athletic sites are shut down last. All seasonal buildings are done after October 15. New
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this year are irrigation systems at Thresher Fields, Community Center and in the Parkways. The
contractor is responsible in the first year with the City taking over thereafter.
• Staff has begun the fertilization of park and City building turf areas. The fertilizer compositions
being used have been determined through soil testing and in most cases are "0" phosphorus. A high
quality, dust free, slow release product is used to ensure carry over into early spring to promote early
green up. Due to healthy stands of turf and the drought only limited broadleaf control was required.
• Because of the high quality turf in Eagan the Toro Company has indicated that they will continue to
use City park areas for product testing. This relationship has proven to be very beneficial to the City
and Toro as they mow several large sites on a regular basis and provides intensive turf care including
aeration and leaf pick up at others using state of the art equipment.
• The installation of the new playground structure at Walnut Hill Park is well underway. Completion is
expected within the next few weeks. This is the last of the 2003 playground replacements.
• Staff has begun the process of installing landscape materials at Thresher Fields. This fall the
emphasis will be along the entry sequence, plantings in the parking lot islands will be completed next
year. The recent cold weather slowed the growth of the new turf grass however it has grown to the
point that it should survive the winter. The contractor is planning to do some dormant seeding this
fall in several areas that are sparse or have washed out. The new seed would then be in the soil and
germinate after snow melt in the spring.
• The "Sport Court" tiles have been installed on the Evergreen Park tennis courts. The initial response
to the new surface is very positive. Many neighbors stopped by during the installation and expressed
a desire to play as soon as the courts could be reopened.
• The Rahn Park hockey rinks have been paved and the installation of the rink boards will be
completed in the next several weeks. The Street Department completed the paving for the cost of the
materials making it possible to pave both rinks instead of one as originally budgeted. The pavement
will have to sit until next year to allow the oils to come out before it can be painted making flooding
slightly more difficult but still easier than a grass surface. The paved surfaces will provide the
opportunity for year round use of the rinks.
• The dirt for the BMX tracks in the Evergreen and Pilot Knob rinks has been removed in anticipation
of freeze up. Based upon staff observation the rink tracks were well used.
• Once again designated trails throughout the City, amounting to over 1/2 of the system, will be plowed
by a contractor under the direction of the Street Department. The primary emphasis being the
provision of non-motorized transportation linkages. New this year will be the inclusion of several
trail loops and connections within Central Park, in the area of the Community Center. The Central
Park trails connect to those along Central Parkway which will also be plowed.
• Park staff is making plans to clear snow from a portion of the Community Center pond this winter to
allow for general skating. Removable windows and electric heat will be installed in the pond side
gazebo to allow it to function as a skate changing room.
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`-J Ag1; Recreation Program Update
Adult Sport s & Concessions
City of Eagan IParks and Recreation MEMO ASoftball Evaluation Results
AGENDA ITEM: E-1; RECREATION PROGRAM UPDATE
ADULT SPORTS & CONCESSIONS PROGRAM REPORT
TO: ADVISORY PARKS COMMISSION
PREPARED BY: SONYA RIPPE, SPORTS PROGRAM SUPERVISOR
ITEM OVERVIEW: Review of adult sports and concessions programs from June, 2003 through October,
2003 and the upcoming 2004 winter season.
SUMMER PROGRAMS
After the conclusion,of the summer softball season, evaluations were mailed to all managers.
There were 77 responses out of 204 teams. Teams were pleased with the additional games
that some of the leagues received and the other leagues would like the same. You will find
the results from this evaluation in the following attachment: Softball Evaluation Results.
CONCESSIONS
The concessions program has wrapped up a great season this fall. There was one final
tournament held on September 27-28 at Northview Athletic Fields. The following is a
glimpse of the revenue generated the past three years at both locations. This does not reflect
the removal of taxes paid on the revenue. The revenue decrease is due to three less youth
tournaments being held this past summer.
Revenue by 2003 2002 2001
Month Northview Trailer Northview Trailer Northview Trailer
April $ 399.00 $ - $ 688.16 $ 142.10 $ 589.05 $ -
May $ 2,510.40 $ 588.10 $ 1,906.50 $ 891.00 $ 1,834.45 $ 264.01
June $ 2,900.05 $ 1,007.86 $ 2,346.25 $ 3,053.80 $ 3,128.17 $ 815.35
July $ 2,163.65 $ 4,660.25 $ 8,583.66 $ 7,946.19 $ 8,509.81 $ 4,701.26
August $ 3,399.57 $ 3,02184 $ 1,628.16 $ 2,472.90 $ 1,134.12
September $ 3,487.65 $ 3,080.80 $ - $ 717.81 $ -
October $ 249.58 $ 135.05 $ - $ 241.45 $ 156.30
Total $ 15,109.90 $ 6,256.21 $ 19,764.26 $ 13,661.25 $ 17,493.64 $ 7,071.04
$ 21,366.11 33,425.51 $ 24,564.68
FALL PROGRAMS
Fall brings the opportunity to participate in basketball, co-rec soccer, co-rec kickball, softball,
touch football and volleyball.
Basketball is offered in the fall and winter seasons. Gym space is allocated from the Eagan
Community Center. The fall season typically runs from mid-September through December.
Men's 5-on-5 leagues had 13 teams participate on Wednesday and 8 teams on Sunday
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evenings at the Eagan Community Center. The leagues were officiated by a local association
along with 2 seasonal scorekeepers.
Co Rec Soccer, which is a rotating South of the River Recreators (SORR) league, is being
held in Farmington and has 10 teams participating this fall.
Co Rec Kickball, which is also a South of the River Recreators (SORR) league, is being held
in Apple Valley and has 18 teams between Wednesday and Thursday evenings this fall.
"Fall ball" is held at Northview Athletic Fields 1-4. Northern Officials Association
continues to provide umpires for the softball leagues. The fall league offers over 10 leagues
to choose from on Monday through Thursday evenings. There were a total of 80 teams that
participated in Men's (40), Co-Rec (24), and Men's One-Pitch (16) leagues. A total of 432
games were played during the fall season.
Touch Football is another opportunity available in the fall. This program has 8 teams
participating at Goat Hill Park on Wednesday evenings. There were 4 seasonal officials hired
to officiate this league and one downskeeper. Eagan Parks & Recreation had the opportunity
to host the Men's Touch Football State Tournament on October 11, 2003. Northview Athletic
Fields was utilized for this program with 9 teams participating in the one-day tournament.
Volleyball leagues are also available in the fall and winter seasons. Gym space is allocated
from Community Education #196 and the Eagan Community Center. The fall season
typically runs from mid-September through December. Men's Power had 8 teams registered,
Women's had 15 and Co-ed had 34 teams. Men's and Women's leagues play on Tuesday
evenings at Black Hawk and Dakota Hills Middle Schools. Co-ed Power on Sundays and
Beginning Officiated on Fridays play at the Eagan Community Center. Co-ed Power on
Fridays and Co-ed Recreation on Wednesdays and Fridays play at Black Hawk Middle
School. Metro Volleyball Officials Association assigns the officials for the power and
beginning officiated leagues.
UPCOMING PROGRAMS
❑ Registration materials are out for all the winter adult leagues.
o Basketball, Boot Hockey, Broomball, Hockey and Volleyball
❑ Registration for the leagues will take place in November.
❑ Planning is also underway for the 2004 softball season.
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MEMO
TO: Softball Managers
FROM: Sonya Rippe, Sports Program Supervisor
DATE: September 19, 2003
RE: Softball evaluation results
Summer softball has ended and the planning for the 2004 season has begun. Evaluations were sent out to all participating teams.
There were 77 responses out of 204 teams. To have a good understanding from the responses, I have listed the number of
responses, average and comments from each category.
1. Northview Park
Narthview 1 2< 3 4 5 Average
Infields 1 0 13 34 25 301 73 4.123
Outfields 0 3 16 25 24 274 68 4.029
Pla ers Bench Areas 1 0 7 39 25 303 72 4.208
Spectator Areas 0 1 12 38 21 295 72 4.097
h ' 2 2 14 29 23 279 70 3.986
Parking 1 8 14 27 21 272 71 3.831
Comments:
• Batter's box very soft this year.
• Hard to find parking at times
• Need restrooms at #5
• Once in a while the outfields got a bit long.
• There can always be more parking.
• Too many games on #5
• Outfields appear to be getting worse over the last few years
• Would be nice to have covers on the dugouts
• Possibility of adding 2 teams?
• Trash cans
• Need net extensions along the Northview Parkway so balls don't smash windows
• Too little parking
• Light poles too low
• Fly balls get lost in the air because the lighting is poor.
• Also, warning tracks would be nice
• The portable toilet really smelled both times we played there.
• With soccer and little league going on at the same time, parking gets pretty scarce
• Outfields are getting worse year after year.
• Lights could come on earlier
• Overall, the fields were very good
• Batter box on some fields weren't so good
• Not much room in spectator area.
• Some lights out (or weak) toward end of the season
• Infields could be watered before first games so they are not so hard.
• What happened to the second handicapped spot in the main Northview lot? The sign is gone so it's not a legal spot
anymore. You need that second spot. If someone who can walk (or run) has to park in the boonies, they get a little
more exercise. If someone in a wheelchair or crutches does.... Besides, we usually need the extra width to get in and
out (of the vehicle).
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• Lights out on some fields! Not safe.
• Parking was very poor. Small parking lot was usually jammed up with cars.
• Field #1 had a large mud pit in left field from the beginning of the year.
• Infields are rock hard and covered with gravel. No dirt remains. Impossible to slide or dive for a ball without
scraping yourself or drawing blood.
• Very good facility overall.
• The electronic scoreboards should work every week.
2. Lexington- Diffle Athletic Fields
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Infields 0 0 3 15 18 159 36 4.417
Outfields 0 1 2 18 15 155 36 4.306
Players Bench Areas 0 0 2 19 14 152 35 4.343
Spectator Areas 0 0 4 19 12 148 35 4.229
Parkin 0 3 4 15 13 143 35 4.086
Comments:
• Would be one of the best complexes if it had lights
• Field #3 can be dangerous around sundown. Sun in the eyes of the shortstop and LC fielders.
• Too little parking
• Needs lights
• Very good facility
• Could use lines in the outfield
• Will there be lights next year?
• Fields need to be numbered better so we can see them from the parking lot
• Need more trash cans
• Need net extensions on outfield fences so balls don't smash windows
• Need lights
• If we had lights at Lex-Diff we could play at 6:30 - 7:00 more. Season starts at right time but should go at least one
week longer, 26 or 28 games.
• Overall, the fields were very good.
• Grass needs to be cut more - too long in the outfield.
• Infields could be watered before first games so they are not so hard.
• We need lights!
3. Leagues
agues 1 2 3 4 5 Avera e
Leagues Offered 0 1 11 34 31 326 77 4.234
Schedule 2 2 14 31 28 312 77 4.052
Days & Game Times 1 1 16 29 29 312 76 4.105
Season Start/Finish 2 2 11 36 25 308 76 4.053
Number of games 3 3 14 26 29 300 75 4.000
Comments:
• It helped a lot, having the games at 6:00 at Lex Diff in the start
• Season start and end is too early. Even one or two weeks later on both ends would be nice. The weather is better
and it would be better to play into August for Ste Tourney purposes. It is more of a Spring league instead of
Summer.
• Men's D Green should have more games and play double headers.
• Double headers every other week was fine.
• Tuesday doubleheaders - Awesome!
• Two more teams would be nice.
• The.(6:00/6:30) half hour difference each week got confusing "Do we play at 6 or 6:30 next week?"
• Could we start all games at 6:30?
• Is there enough interest for a middle division in the summer?
• Can games start at 6:15 vs. 6pm?
• 6:00 games difficult to get to.
• Very competitive and good amount of games
• Double headers every week would be fabulous. Season is a tad short
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• Playing later in the season would be nice (more games).
• If we had more teams in the league it would be better.
• Very disappointed in losing a game, from 13 games down to 12 games.
• You advertised 13 games and then only gave us 12 because you let a ninth team in the league. That also led to a bye
week for all teams. Very poor.
• 6:00 games were hard for some of our players to make it on time.
• Tough for workers to get to fields by 6:00
• 6 p.m. games times are extremely tough
• Start season one to two weeks later to avoid bad weather early in the season.
• Not sure if season could be longer with tournaments in August
• Too many games. Double header every week
• Didn't like double-headers but it was the only time for out teams, so not so bad.
• Game start times too early
• Our team would prefer playing and paying for more than 13 games.
• I feel it was not very competitive in the Upper D - some ladies didn't even know the rules.
• League could have gone longer into summer.
4. Softballs
Softballs 2 3 4 5 Av e
Dudley 12" 1 1 4 26 22 229 54 4.241
Dudley 11" 1 1 3 20 17 177 42 4.214
Comments:
• Whatever we had was fine
• Very poor quality balls this year
• I thought balls were great but I wouldn't mind cheaper balls either. However, as home team we only got balls from 3
games.
• Need to switch to yellow, they are so much easier to see.
• What about only using 12" for co-rec?
5. Umpires
U3I , ires : 23 4 5 Ai er e
On time 0 1 7 31 36 327 75 4.360
Knowledge of rules 0 7 12 40 20 310 79 3.924
Overall rating 0 3 16 35 15 269 69 3.899
Comments:
• Not all umps were aware of the league rules. No excuse for that
• Most were great, we only had 2 who were weak
• Couple of umpires could make more effort to make accurate calls
• One game we started inning 7 after 60 minutes. Consequently we lost to the #1 team due to this
• Didn't have one bad experience. Great new faces too!
• Had problems with one umpire that I talked to you about
• Some of the older umps don't know as much as they should. Like which bats are illegal or not.
• One new ump was awful. Two games were botched.
• I do not like how umpires try to hurry up the last game or other games in hopes of leaving early. Some are quick to
call games.
• I guess I can't speak about other leagues, but I would think the West league is far more laid back than the others. I
do not need umpires yelling at people. This I only saw once but I heard it happen at least a couple of times for sure.
I think you can be forceful but not overbearing. Also, I was extremely happy with the rest of the officiating. There
was only one umpire that was a bit too tough.
• Inconsistent in play calling. They did a good job overall.
• The umpires have a tough job but need to be consistent.
• Couple of really bad umps
• We really liked the gal, but we had troubles w/ one guy I talked to you about him.
• Most of them were jerks. But I felt sorry for them at the same time, you know with having a shitty job and everything.
• A few games we were without one
• Best overall group of umpires we've ever had and we've been in the league for many years.
• I thought umps were very fair except some strike zones... should have been more lenient
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• Some umps weren't very knowledgeable but others good - I understand it was lower league, so I didn't mind.
• Two lady umps that did Monday night games were terrible. Did not know rules. Never came out from behind the
plate. One time they asked us the rules! Bad!
• Some were better than others. Need to adhere to rules and not give teams "options", like pinch runner exceptions.
• For the money they make, not enough effort
6. Northview Concession Stand
NorthAiew Concession` ! 1 2 3 4 5 Average
Food 0 0 5 9 10 101 24 4.208
Service 0 0 2 8 12 98 22 4.455
Comments:
• Should have ice machine for injuries.
7. Lexington-piffle Concessions Trailer
Concessions Trailer 1 2 3 4 5 Average
Food 0 0 0 15 9 105 24 4.375
Service 0 0 1 15 9 108 25 4.320
Comments:
• Should be open more
8. Awards
Awards 1' 2' 3 4 5 Avera e
Plaques 0 1 7 15 18 173 41 4.220
T-shirts 0 0 7 16 15 160 38 4.211
Gift certificates 1 1 7 14 15 155 38 4.079
Comments:
• T-shirts?
• In D-Rec award money should be less - some teems this year were "stacked"
• Thank you!
• Too many rewards for top teams. Plaques and T-shirts ok. Gift certificates are too much
• Prefer short sleeve
• Great Logoll
• Would prefer to wait to have plaques engraved with team name.
• In the past these have been great! We prefer Eagan softball credit over any restaurant.
• Rather have a larger gift certificate than a plaque.
• Best awards in any league I've been in, most are either a trophy or a t-shirt.
• Very generous, keep it up.
9. Registration Procedure
1 2 3 4-' 5 Avera e
Re •stration Procedure 0 1 5 37 22 275 65 4.231
Comments:
• Allow returning teams to send in info any time prior to due date, not just during a specific week.
• Would like to be able to submit a spreadsheet for a roster
• Get online capacity
• Okay
• Easy registration process. Don't change it!
• Possible registration on-line??
• Straight forward
10. League Director
1 2 3 4 5 Avera e
Lea e Director 1 0 26 33 35 386 95 4.063
Comments:
• Fab job
• Very responsive
• A++++
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• Keep up the good work!
• Awesome! Great job Sonya!
• Great job!
• Always available and returns calls
• Great job!
• Great direction from the Parks and Rec office.
• Over the years, we have gone from 14 games to 12 as cost continually rises.
• Sonya, excellent job as always.
• Has been helpful to communicate via email. Very responsive to my team needs.
• Always on top of things.
11. Communication
Communication 1 2, 3 4 5',< Avea ' e
Memos 0 0 0 32 33 293 65 4.508
Standings 0 0 0 31 31 279 62 4.500
League web site 0 0 0 28 32 272 60 4.533
Utiltize web site Yes - 65 - 87% No-9-13%
Comments:
• Love the site but if it adds to league cost, could do without it
• Liked last years better
• Standings were not correct Did not show our win.
• We had a great year.
• If "Eteamz.com costs money... cancel it
• Some players did
• Fab
• Would be nice to have standings posted at the field too.
• Eteamz.com was difficult to pull up compared to last year.
• Would like to see the standings posted at the fields.
• Web site is effective way to communicate
• Web site is good idea but very hard to navigate to
• Web site is great resource
• Good source for all team members to look at schedule and standings
• If we get an email about a change, I don't think we need a letter in the mail too. Save money and paper.
• Didn't always find web site up to date
• Initial schedules on website sooner would be helpful.
• Website keeps improving!
12. Suggestions for neat year.
• Solid league. We look forward to returning.
• We would rather have played our rain date of July 28, instead of playing 2 '/z games the last night. That created
problems for our team.
• Would you consider starting in May and ending in August? Seems like the season is very short
• How about a one day Saturday Tournament for the league at the end of the year?
• The time limit really puts a damper on some good games. The umpires have no leniency. They could care less. They
are making a lot of money... they should care.
• Do not let teams who will kill every team retum to the same level
• Offer another night of women's? Don't switch women's to the same night as co-ed for fall so people on both can
continue to play both.
• Later start times
• More even distribution of talent in the leagues.
• Too many by's
• More games for Men's D Green. More doubleheaders, less byes, go longer into August
• Time limit tie rules- maybe a one inning format? Tough due to other games to follow, I realize.
• Easier web site. Thought overall fields, umps games and schedules were very good.
• We need a year end tourney - even if it means one less regular season week
• More garbage cans down by the areas by 1n and 3rd baselines
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• We would like all of our games to be played at one complex. Too confusing doing two.
• Please enforce the NO dog rule.
• 6:00 pm games are tough to get to for many teams
• Keep up the great work.
• Possible registration on-line??
• More lower C teams.
• More games if possible One to two weeks.
It was a great year in lower C.
• Very disappointed in losing the game on our schedule and only being compensated $10. We should have been
compensated at least $30 by my calculations.
• This league seems to be getting a shorter and shorter season. I seem to remember we had 14 games at one time.
Why did some leagues get double headers and others not? Why two make up game dates. I'm willing to pay a little
more for more games.
• More teams in the co-ed leagues.
• We'd be willing to play doubleheaders every night
• A "D" playoff between all the individual champs.
• Would appreciate having input decisions like having doubleheaders every other week. If double headers continue,
move some to earlier start times.
• Our corporate men's lower (I'hurs) went from 13 games in previous years to 18 this year - with 6 double headers.
We would have preferred sticking with 13 single games, especially when all 6 double headers were 8:00 and 9:00. We
enjoy softball but being a lower league, enjoy socializing also. Please consider returning to the old format.
• The one homerun rule is ridiculous. Why penalize a player for hitting a ball over the fence? Please consider changing
the rule to 5 per game.
• Longer season.
• West employees need to know about rainouts sooner than 4:00. This would be very helpful if we could get this info
sooner.
• Okay, first of all you need to tell all the teams to relax. Some people take it way too serious. Also if a team is wearing
baseball pants, they should not be in the bronze league.
• Friday night Co-Rec
• Split league into double headers every other Friday.
• Give us the number of games that we sign up for. You shorted us in both leagues that I play in because you allowed
a 9th team in. you should have stuck with the returning 8. We have played summer and fall (on 2 nights) for 8 years.
We are not skipping fall and are considering moving to a different city next summer since we have no idea how many
games we will actually get once we sign up.
• Please keep 18 game season
• Hopefully we can move an additional 2 good teams into our league - Alen's C North
• Maybe make the season a couple weeks longer
• Middle league?
• Women's D Upper had skill levels that were too wide. A few teams crushed everyone else. It would be nice if those
teams moved to Upper, where they seem to be a better fit.
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:1tem: : October 20, 2003
AgenE-2; Civic Arena Program Update
InfoCity of Eagan MEMO Attas
Parks and Recreation
AGENDA ITEM: E-2; CIVIC ARENA PROGRAM UPDATE
TO: ADVISORY PARKS COMMISSION
PREPARED BY: MARK VAUGHAN, CIVIC ARENA MANAGER
ITEM DESCRIPTION: Provide the Advisory Commission with an update of the Civic Arena's
activities and events during May, June, July and August 2003.
BACKGROUND/HISTORY:
The Civic Arena has completed another successful 2nd semester. The 2002 summer
operations will always be noted as one of the best summer rentals since the Civic Arena
opened in 1995. The 2nd semester of 2003 started off with some loss and/or downsizing of
camps but made a decent rebound to try to catch up to 2002.
Lost Camps and downsizing recap:
Dave Gulner Hockey Camp: $2,458.02
Reduction, Eastview Youth: 1,820.00
Reduction, Brad Zangs 3,300.00
Reduction, Darblitz Hockey 1,610.00
Reduction, Yackel Skating Clinic 718.25
Men's League Summer 1,995.00
Total revenue loss: $11,901.27
Events new to the Civic Arena were not only great additions but opened the doors to some
future renters. The 2004 budget was presented to City Council and approved. The hiring of a
new skate school director and the start of a new figure skating club were all part of the
semester.
Highlight
The Civic Arena hosted its first ever wedding! On August 16, 2003 (One of the hottest days
of the summer) the Eagan Civic Arena played host to the Ohlander/Klein wedding. Staff and
the wedding party transformed the Civic Arena into a respectable rental hall. With the
addition of paper strips, stage, sound boards, rented tables and linens the Civic Arena did not
look like an ice arena. The turf was a great addition that added comfort and acoustical
support. Heat, however, was an issue. The Civic Arena is not yet air conditioned which lead
to a very hot building, but with the use of fans and by opening the doors to the West Arena
the temperature was bearable (75 -78 degrees). Parking was also an issue. Cascade Bay was
filled to capacity throughout the day and with ice rentals in the West Arena the parking lot
was overflowing. Additional parking occurred in both City Hall and Police parking lots.
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Staff is preparing for future weddings/receptions to be held at the arena. Feedback from the
wedding couple provided ideas for potential future improvements to the building and its
operation that might generate more rentals in the future.
DRY FLOOR USE
This time of the year provides great opportunities to expand the arena into a multi purpose
facility. The Civic Arena also hosted its first high school graduation party on May 31 The
graduate is an employee of the Civic Arena. This again provided an opportunity to look at
how the Civic Arena can facilitate these requests. Staff's goal is to set up for graduation
parties/events in late May of each year and leave the set up for 4-5 events to be held in the
Spring of each year. The graduate's mom commented, "I can rent the facility and not worry
about space, restroom use and clean up; that is worth the value alone".
The same area was used for the annual
banquet for the Heights Figure Skating
banquet the following day.
The Civic Arena was host to the City's
bi-annual Community Services Open House
on May 21, 2003, which was again well
attended. The operations of the show were
confined to the West Arena only this year, -
including the use of the upstairs mezzanine -
for more exhibits and food. This helped with -
the number of volunteers needed for they
event and traffic flow.
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In conjunction with the Recreation
division, the Civic Arena - East, was host
to "battle of the bands" on May 2nd. With
the use of the City's stage, sound board
and the Civic Arena's portable concession
stand a safe and entertaining event was
provided for the teens of the City of Eagan
and surrounding communities.
The Circus came to town again for the enjoyment of Eagan
residents and surrounding communities on June 5, 2003 with
the partnership of Jose Cole Circus and the Eagan Civic Arena.
The event was marketed and promoted by the Civic Arena staff
starting in March. The performances were well attended with
approximately 450 people for the 5:30 pm show and 350 for the
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7:00 pm show. The Circus staff was very happy with the
attendance for this year's show and dates are being set for next
year with an additional day/show.
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ICE RENTALS
As mentioned some camps had some reduction in hours due to low enrollment. The Civic
Arena staff made some contacts to help offset these losses and rented some of the hours. The
addition of the Eagan-Heights Club to the primary customers of the Civic Arena was one of
these contacts. This will help the total operation of the Civic Arena year round. Figure
skating clubs have always been known as the "glue" to a successful operation. Major ice
buyers for the second semester include:
Overspeed Hockey Camps/STP: $ 12,916.22
Eastview Youth Hockey: 3,090.00
Mike Gibbons: 7,865.44
Darblitz Hockey Camps: 2,816.93
Minnesota Made Hockey: 1,837.13
Goalie Camps (2): 2,548.01
Yackel Skating Camp: 1,437.50
Merlin Ravnedalen: 1,740.00
Eagan-Heights Figure Skating Club: 3,645.00
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Staff is working with a few organizations about longer camps for next summer that will
replace or compliment the quick one week camps. (Please note: there are other camps and
users that are not noted above that help the Civic Arena financially.)
The Skate school for the summer of 2003 was down in participants from 2002 about 70
skaters.
NOTABLE CHA.NGESMAPPENINGS
The Civic Arena has hired its 5 h skate school director in its 9t' year of operations of the
school/arena. Even with these changes in leadership the school has continued to excel as one
of the premier skate schools in the metro area. Carrie Schuneman joined the staff in July and
has some great challenges ahead of her to continue the excellence of the program.
The West arena has annually or consistently had a glycol leak to the refrigeration system.
Each year Premier Electric has assisted the Civic Arena staff in locating the leak in the
concrete floor and fixing the problem. This is the first year that they were unable to fmd the
leak, but indications in the system show that a leak is occurring somewhere. Staff is
continuing to monitor the situation and keep the contactor in the loop on our analysis of the
system.
On the same system, a fan motor on the cooling tower was again lost. Staff has worked with
an electrician to replace the motor, at a cost of about $3,000.00. In the annual inspection of
electrical panels a hot spot showed that a breaker needed to be replaced on the West
refrigeration system. The breaker total cost replacement was about $1,000.00.
During the maintenance shut down, the dasher boards facing on the West arena were
replaced. This product should have had a life expectancy of 20 years, however there appears
to be some issues regarding the quality of the initial purchase. The product was replaced
from the Capital Repair and Replacement account.
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; Lexington Ridge
Millerville, Inc.
EAttachments ober 20, 2003
1. Location Map
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Parks and Recreation MEMO 2. Existing Conditions
3. Preliminary Plat
4. Site Plan
AGEND A ITEM: G-1; LEXINGTON RIDGE - MILLERVILLE, INC.
TO: ADVISORY PARKS COMMISSION
PREPARED BY: KEN VRAA, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION
ITEM OVERVIEW: Review the parks dedication, trails dedication, tree preservation, water quality and
wetlands issues that pertain to the Lexington Ridge development
BACKGROUND/HISTORY:
The applicant is requesting approval of a Preliminary Subdivision to create 8 single family
lots (Lexington Ridge) on 6.9 acres located at 4225 Lexington Way in the NE 1/4 of section
27.
In July 2003, an application for an eight lot subdivision (Lexington Ridge) was proposed for
this lot. The proposal indicated access to these lots would be through Lexington Diffley
Athletic Fields. The City Council denied the subdivision one major contributor to the denial
was the access through the park. The applicant withdrew the application prior to findings of
fact for denial and has submitted new application with access from Diffley Road.
There is an existing single family home on the subject lot and several out buildings. The
existing single family home has access through the Lexington Diffley Athletic Fields by
easement. The subject property has frontage on Diffley Road. The subject lot has many
mature trees and vegetation throughout the property. There are significant topographic
changes on the north side of the lot. The applicant proposes to subdivide the subject property
into 8 single family lots. Access is proposed via Diffley Road by a private road easement.
PARKS AND TRAILS DEDICATION:
Because of the location and the existing and proposed land forms a cash trail and parks
dedication is suggested.
TREE PRESERVATION:
A tree inventory submitted with this application indicates that there are one-hundred thirteen
(107) significant trees in the inventory. Individual tree size and species break down is as
follows:
Species Avg Diameter Dia. Range Count Percent of Total
Oak 24" 10"41" 36 32%
Conifer 12" 9"-21" 32 28%
(Pine, cedar, spruce)
Birch 10" 895-12" 12 11%
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The balance of the tree inventory is comprised of box elder, elm, black cherry, cottonwood,
hackberry, ash, and apple trees averaging 20" in diameter. The development as proposed
will result in the removal of thirty-nine (39) significant trees (36.4 % of the total). According
to the City of Eagan Tree Preservation Ordinance allowable tree removal for this type of
development proposal (single-phase, multiple-lot, residential) is set at 40% of the total
significant trees. With a proposed removal less than the allowable amount, there is no
required tree mitigation for this proposal.
In an attempt to maximize tree preservation, the applicant intends to preserve several large
oak trees adjacent to areas to be graded. The preliminary grading plan submitted shows
proposed grade lines occurring inside the CRZ of several trees that are to be preserved on site
(tree #197, 198, 202, 203, 218, 219, 220, 235, and 256) and with several off site trees
Lexington-Diffley park (tree # 266, 1003, and 1002). To ensure survival of these preserved
trees, staff is recommending that a long-term tree survival plan be prepared by a certified
arborist and implemented on all trees with encroachment into the CRZ. Also staff is
recommending that the applicant communicate with city forestry staff in the actual placement
of tree protection fence around these trees. No encroachment is to occur inside tree
protection areas.
Staff is recommending the applicant preserve tree #262, a 38" diameter white oak, which is
located on the east property line immediately north of the existing driveway. This tree,
following development as planned, will be located about 15 feet from the proposed entrance
road. As the site currently exists, this tree is already next to the gravel entrance road;
therefore construction activities associated with this development should have minor affects
on the tree's current root zone. This tree has a canopy about 70 feet wide and is clear view
from Lexington Diffley Athletic Fields. The removal of this tree would drastically alter the
viewable tree line of park users. Staff is further recommending cooperation between city and
the applicant associated with tree preservation management activities for this tree.
Staff is recommending the applicant to attempt to preserve tree #244, a 41" diameter bur oak,
located in what will be the front yard area of the proposed lot 4. With minor site
modifications and necessary tree survival management practices this magnificent specimen
bur oak tree could be preserved.
Lastly, staff is concerned with the amount of storm water runoff that will be directed to the
northeast portion of the development site and to the adjacent northwest portion of Lexington
Diffley Athletic Fields. This park property is a wooded area with a variety of deciduous trees
on it. The lowest area, where the runoff would collect is wooded with several 20" to 25"
diameter red oak trees. Standing water would negatively affect the health of these existing
park trees. Staff is recommending more clarification from the applicant as to the amount of
and duration of storm water runoff into wooded park property.
WATER QUALITY(WETLANDS:
This proposed 5.9-acre single-family subdivision is located in the City's J-watershed.
Stormwater from 1.3 acres of the site is proposed to drain off site. Stormwater from the
remaining 4.6 acres is proposed to drain to a low-lying area in the northeast corner of the parcel
and then into the City's stormwater system, which eventually connects to City Pond JP-8 in
Patrick Egan Park. Pond JP-8 is one of the City's Class III - Scenic Recreation waterbodies,
according to the Water Quality Management Plan.
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The required volume and area of water quality treatment ponds are based on the impervious
proportion of proposed developments (i.e., land covered by buildings, parking lots,
driveways, and walks). With an impervious proportion of approximately 12 percent, a
minimum, wet-pond volume of. 19 acre-feet and a maximum depth of 6 feet would be
needed to treat stormwater. An outlet structure acceptable to City standards would need to be
installed. However, the developer is not proposing to construct the stormwater treatment
pond, but to use an existing low-lying area for stormwater storage. This low-lying area also is
on City of Eagan park property. The developer modeled the area assuming a vertical wall at
the property line to demonstrate that all ponding can be accommodated within the Lexington
Ridge project, but this is not likely to occur in reality.
A cash dedication in lieu of ponding would be required for untreated stormwater runoff from
1.3 acres of the development.
There are no jurisdictional wetlands associated with this site.
Significantly steep slopes on this parcel raise concerns about erosion control, particularly where
land is proposed to be severely disturbed to construct roads, install storm sewer lines, and
establish building pads.
ALTERNATIVES FOR COMMISSION CONSIDERATION:
1. This development shall be responsible for a cash parks dedication.
2. This development shall be responsible for a cash trail dedication.
3. To ensure survival of preserved trees (on site tree #198, 202, 203, 218, 219, 220, 235, and
256 and off site tree # 266, 1003, and 1002), a long-term tree survival plan shall be prepared
by a certified arborist and implemented on all trees with encroachment into the CRZ. Also
staff is recommending that the applicant communicate with city forestry staff in the actual
placement of tree protection fence around these large preserved oaks.
4. Staff shall work with the applicant in preservation attempts of tree #262, a 38" diameter
white oak tree, and #244, a 41" diameter bur oak tree.
5. More clarification from the applicant shall be required regarding the amount of and duration
of storm water runoff into wooded park property.
6. Tree Protective measures (i.e. orange colored silt fence or 4 foot polyethylene laminate
safety netting) shall be required to be installed at the Drip Line or at the perimeter of the
Critical Root Zone, whichever is greater, of significant trees/woodlands to be preserved on-
site and off-site (i.e. park trees).
7. The applicant shall be required to contact the City Forestry Division and set up a pre-
construction site inspection at least five days prior to the issuance of the grading permit to
ensure compliance with the approved Tree Preservation Plan and placement of the Tree
Protection Fencing.
8. The commission may want to recommend the developer be required to contain all
stormwater runoff to the northeast within the parcel of the proposed subdivision.
9. The developer shall be responsible for on-site stormwater treatment with a minimum wet-
pond volume of .19 acre-feet and a maximum depth of 6 feet. An outlet structure acceptable
to City standards should be installed.
10. A cash dedication in lieu of on-site water quality ponding shall be required for the remaining
1.3 acres of this development.
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AGENDA ITEM: G-3; WOODLAND PLACE - EPIC DEVELOPMENT, LLC
TO: ADVISORY PARKS COMMISSION
PREPARED BY: KEN VRAA, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION
ITEM OVERVIEW: Review the parks dedication, trails dedication, tree preservation, water quality and
wetlands issues that pertain to the Woodland Place development.
BACKGROUND/HISTORY:
The applicant is requesting a Preliminary Subdivision to create 16 lots and a Variance to
the lot width minimum of 85 feet and the street width minimum of 50 feet on 6.3 acres
located at 630 & 660 Cliff Road in the NW '/4 of Section 36.
The subdivision consists of three unplatted tax parcels. The site is currently being used for
Weierke Trench and Excavating, and there is a single family home with two detached
garages located on the eastern most parcel. There are many outbuildings through out the site.
The southern portion of the site is bordered with mature trees.
The proposed lots range from 11,901 to 25,036 square feet in area. The minimum lot size
requirement in an R-1 zone is 12,000 square feet; all the lots comply with this requirement
except for Lot 12, which is 11,901 square feet. The minimum lot width is 85 feet and 50 feet
of street frontage. Lots seven through 11 do not meet the 50 foot minimum street frontage
and Lots 1 through 5, 7 through 11, and 13 through 15 do not meet the minimum lot width of
85 feet. A variance is required for these lot widths and frontages.
PARKS AND TRAILS DEDICATION:
Trails
The proposed Woodland Place development is located adjacent to the former Richard Holz
house which was acquired by the City in the mid 1990's for the purpose of incorporating it
into the historic Holz farm site. The house on the Richard Holz site is currently rented out by
the City on an annual basis.
The recently completed Holz Farm Master Plan suggests the development of a nonvehicular
trail access extending from the Holz property to Dodd Road. The trail would potentially
provide access to the farm from the existing wide City trail system, and a connection to the
Lebanon Hills County Park system. The master plan also suggests the development of a
possible vehicular access to the park from Dodd Road and the inclusion of the connector trail
within the same corridor. Neighbors to Holz Farm were involved in the master planning
process and provided much of the input that was used to prepare the concepts depicted in the
plan.
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At the request of staff the Developer is proposing the inclusion of a twelve foot wide "Trail
Easement" between lots nine and ten. Staff is suggesting that this be considered as a
"temporary" or conditional easement upon which a trail would be developed only if a
combination vehicular/pedestrian access is not developed at the more desirable location to
the south of the this development, as depicted in the master plan. The more southerly corridor
is preferred due to the potential for multiple use, alignment with existing and future roadways
and trails, and the more suitable grades. The development of a vehicular access to the park
through Woodland Place would be difficult due to grades and the narrowness of the adjoining
park area. At such time as the more southerly access is completed, this easement would be
vacated. No time line has been established.
Parks
Most of development is adjacent to a non-programmed, disturbed portion of the park, beyond
the gated control points. The slopes of the long back yards will limit development on the
adjoining lots. The primary function of that portion of the park will be the possible
accommodation of the entrance drive and field parking. There is a limited amount of
significant natural vegetation along the property line. In such instance a cash park dedication
would be appropriate.
TREE PRESERVATION:
A tree inventory submitted with this application indicates that there are sixty-one (61)
significant trees in the inventory. Individual tree size and species break down is as follows:
Species Avg Diameter Dia. Range Count Percent of Total
Pine/Spruce 10" 8"-18" 24 38%
Maple 18" 8"-32" 22 36%
The balance of the tree inventory is comprised of elm, apple, birch, oak, and cedar trees with
average diameters of 12".
The development as proposed will result in the removal of eighteen (18) significant trees
(29.5 % of the total). According to the City of Eagan Tree Preservation Ordinance allowable
tree removal for this type of development proposal (single-phase, single-lot, residential) is set
at 40.0% of the total significant trees. With a proposed removal less than the allowable
amount, there is no required tree mitigation for this proposal.
WATER QUALITY/WETLANDS:
This proposed 6.3-acre single-family subdivision is located in the City's L-watershed and also is
within the shoreland overlay district of Holz Lake, a Class H Indirect Contact Recreation
waterbody, according to the Water Quality Management Plan. Portions of the site (3.3 acres
total) are proposed to drain offsite either to the northeast, east, south, or west. The remainder of
the site (3.0 acres) will drain into a proposed stormwater treatment pond in the southeast comer
of the parcel. This pond will drain to Holz Lake.
The required volume and area of water quality treatment ponds are based on the impervious
proportion of proposed developments. With an approximate impervious proportion of 20
percent, a minimum wet-pond volume of 0.17 acre-feet covering a minimum area of 0.13
acres would be needed to treat the stormwater generated by 3.0 acres of the development.
The pond would have a maximum depth of six feet and a 10:1 aquatic bench beginning at the
normal water level. A cash dedication in lieu of ponding would be required for untreated
stormwater runoff from 3.3 acres of the development.
There are no wetlands associated with this parcel.
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ALTERNATIVES FOR COMMISSION CONSIDERATION:
1. The development shall be responsible for a cash parks dedication.
2. The development shall include a twelve foot wide Trail Easement between lots nine and
ten. Said easement may be used by the City to develop a trail should it be determined that
a trail would be a beneficial means of access to the adjoining park property. The
easement may be vacated at the discretion of the City.
3. The development shall be responsible for a cash trails dedication.
4. Tree Protective measures (i.e. orange colored silt fence or 4 foot polyethylene laminate
safety netting) shall be installed at the Drip Line or at the perimeter of the Critical Root
Zone, whichever is greater, of significant trees/woodlands to be preserved on-site.
5. The applicant shall contact the City Forestry Division and set up a pre-construction site
inspection at least five days prior to the issuance of the grading permit to ensure
compliance with the approved Tree Preservation Plan and placement of the Tree
Protection Fencing.
6. A minimum stormwater treatment wet-pond volume of 0.17 acre-feet covering a
minimum area of 0.13 acres shall be required to treat runoff from 3.0 acres of this
development. The pond should have a maximum depth of six feet and a 10:1 aquatic
bench beginning at the normal water level.
7. A cash dedication in lieu of on-site water quality ponding shall be required for the
remaining 3.3 acres of this development.
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AGENDA ITEM: H-1; DISC GOLF FINDINGS
TO: ADVISORY PARKS COMMISSION
PREPARED BY: BETH A. WIELDE, RESEARCH AND SPECIAL PROJECTS
ITEM DESCRIPTION: Further investigation into the logistics of a disc golf course at Northview
Park, and partnership with affected schools.
BACKGROUND
The Advisory Park s Commission has conducted a series of reviews to determine the
feasibility of a disc golf course in Eagan. The APrC has inquired if there may be interest by
Dakota Hills Middle School in collaboration, most likely by sharing the land that connects
Northview Park and School District property. Dakota Hills Middle School is currently
reviewing a request to contribute some funding to the project as well. It is anticipated they
will reply soon.
ANALYSIS
For purposes of this study, a nine-hole course was considered at Northview Park primarily
because of the school partnership, the logic being a school district partnership would mean
use of the course by physical education students. A nine-hole course could also be
considered a "pilot project" for the City to monitor use and gauge interest in disc golf. If a
course proves very popular, there is potential for expansion. Land is available on school
district property outside the fenced athletic area to install more baskets without impact to the
foliage or terrain.
The proposed course should fit play into a 45± minute timeframe and be designed for the
novice player. For City purposes, the timeframe for play isn't as necessary as it might be for
a physical education class, but a course should be designed for a novice user while still being
enjoyable to the experienced disc golf player.
Should a course prove popular and demonstrate a need for expansion, some reconfiguration
of equipment may be required, but the equipment is "sleeved" into the ground for easy
removal and movement. Equipment may also be removed for special recreation events if
necessary.
Disc Golf volunteer Bill Ashton has walked the Northview Park site with City staff and Bob
Newall from Dakota Hills Middle School/ ISD 196. Ashton discussed potential layouts, and
ways to ensure the course would not disrupt other park uses such as tennis programs, ball
programs, and pedestrians using the sidewalks. Most tees have the player throwing away
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from park uses. He also recommended possible tree planting, both to serve as an additional
obstacle and provide an additional buffer to other park uses.
The course would lie primarily along open areas and next to woodlands mostly on City
property. Some brush clearing for a small, short path and for basket sleeves may be used to
accommodate a hole and make the course `flow,' but no significant species or mature trees
will be impacted.
The APrC may recall that the idea of this joint venture was brought up to the League of
Minnesota Cities Insurance Trust (LMCIT). They noted that such a venture would fall under
the City's existing general liability policy with no additional insurance requirements.
Cost Estimate
Please note the costs presented below are 2003 figures.
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Baskets & Tee Signs $3,136.50
Launch Pads In-house
Trash Receptacles None required
Path Finishing None required
Terrain management In-house
Freight $318.07
Hole NumberPlates $225.00
TOTAL $3,679.57
A cost of $3,679 would qualify the 9-hole disc golf project for the "Small Projects under
$10,000" of the Park Site Fund, and embody a good faith partnership with the school district.
Also note, Dakota Hills Middle School is concurrently considering a financial contribution,
which may offset a portion of the costs, possibly in the range of $1,000 to $1,500, which
would reduce the cost to the City.
DISCUSSION
While not a major activity expected to generate large numbers of participants at any one time
like golf or tennis, this does provide another outdoor recreational experience for Eagan
residents at nominal cost.
The life expectancy of the baskets is undetermined, as Disc Golf volunteer Bill Ashton has
not yet had to replace baskets except in cases of vandalism or expansion. He notes the course
in Roseville, Acorn Park, has been operational since 1980 and has yet to do an overhaul of
the baskets. Galvanized metals used in the basket structure prevented rusting.
The layout of the disc golf course is subject to minor adjustments, although it is anticipated
that most of the features would remain unchanged. For example, recreation staff has
suggested the basket on hole 9 be moved slightly west. These "tweaks" are not uncommon
during the schematic phase of a project.
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ALTERNATIVES FOR COMMISSION CONSIDERATION
1. Approve construction of a disc golf course at Northview Park upon approval by Dakota
Hills Middle School.
2. Do not approve construction of a disc golf course at Northview Park.
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DATE: October 20, 2003
RE: APrC Findings- Alternative Funding Study
COUNCIL CHARGE
In recognition that funding through parks and trail dedication would not sustain the parks
system indefinitely, Council charged the Advisory Parks Commission (APrC) with identifying
alternative revenue streams for the Park Site Fund. In June of 2002, the APrC began a series of
workshops to brainstorm ideas and determine which of these ideas would bring a continuous
stream of funds to support parks projects.
METHODOLOGY
The APrC received the findings of a survey conducted nationwide to see what methods other
communities with high buildout rates used to fund their parks projects. Survey results indicated
that aside from user fees, General Fund contributions, and bonds, the 33 respondents had no
long-range planning strategy for sustaining revenue sources. It became clear that Eagan was
pioneering a study of this sort. The survey was also notable for the low response rate. 117
surveys had been distributed, 48 in Minnesota, 117 nationwide. The low response rate may
indicate that people felt the survey asking about creative funding methods just didn't apply to
them.
Learning of the disappointing results of the survey, the APrC workshop participants
brainstormed any idea that could possibly generate revenue for the Park Site Fund. Out of this
first pool of ideas, the APrC identified 10 that they wanted to discuss further. These items
were:
• Park tax • Park renewal/replacement fee on
• Volunteer "Check Off' on utility water bills
bills • Charitable gambling proceeds
• Volunteerism • Increase park dedication fees
• Adopt-A-Park programs • Charge the Public Works
• Tax levy funds department for utility easements in
• Mandatory water utility "round up" parks
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Some of the ideas were discussed and were determined as not feasible as a sustainable revenue
source. The APrC then challenged staff to create projections of potential revenue from the
sources that seemed to be sustainable. Investigation into the items that were considered
"potential" revenue sources found that each idea, while having merit, had some inherent
problems:
• Park tax: Impose a tax from sales of goods such as gasoline or similar. Since the APrC
has no authority to impose a tax, this idea was immediately deemed "not feasible."
• Volunteer "Check Off" on utility bills: When checking with another city who has
implemented this program, it was clear that this does not generate substantial revenue.
Roseville says that this system has generated "a few thousand dollars" a year and about
20% participation for their parks system. The APrC determined that this, along with
administrative costs of tracking such a system, would not sustain CIP projects.
• Tax levy funds: While dedicating a portion of the tax levy is desirable, concern was
brought up about the distribution of funds, and why parks CIP projects should be funded
from the General Fund. Because of levy limits, this would mean a decrease in funding
available to fund current General Fund programs.
• Mandatory water utility "round up": When projected income was tallied, initial
income was determined not to support a one- year CIP project list. With additional
administrative costs to handle the program, it was determined that the cost far
outweighed the benefit, and the idea was determined as "not feasible" as a sustainable
revenue source. There was also an equity issue, since the amount paid per resident
would be different for each person; if rounded to the next dollar, a person with a $40.56
water bill would pay $.44, while someone with a $40.98 water bill would only pay $.02.
• Park renewal/replacement fee on water bills: While this idea would have generated a
reasonable amount of revenue to sustain the CIP and been a reliable, sustainable revenue
source, City Attorney Bob Bauer determined this idea had no legal basis to proceed.
Thus the legality of the idea determined it to be "not feasible." This analysis meets
Council's request to eliminate options that are not legally feasible. A confidential
memo from the City Attorney's office reiterates this point, that legally this is not a
feasible option.
• Charitable gambling proceeds: State statute allows municipalities to receive a 10%
contribution from charitable gambling operations within their community. While this
system would generate some funds, the total amount would not be enough annually to
sustain more than one or two projects on one year's CIP list. Income would potentially
range from $24,000 to $40,000 each year, if gambling remains steady. Decline in legal
gambling would decrease the amount of income. This idea was determined to not
generate enough revenue to be considered a sustainable revenue source.
• Increase park dedication fees: This idea will, in fact, generate revenue. It has been
the primary revenue source for decades, sustaining CIP projects. Each year, fees are
adjusted/ increased to reflect market value of land. However, this source of revenue
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will decrease and eventually cease as land is developed and the City begins its
"maintenance and replacement" mode. This source may not be reliable in the near (10-
20 year) future to sustain CIP projects.
• Charge the Public Works department for utility easements in parks: Staff
developed a report that projected potential buildout over 10 and 20 years, and potential
park dedication income that might be derived from this buildout.
These findings were reported to Council at their workshop meeting on March 25, 2003.
Council requested that additional information be investigated, such as:
• Volunteerism: While volunteerism definitely benefits parks systems and can save
some labor costs, it is not a revenue generator. Volunteers typically volunteer for one-
time projects for service groups. Volunteers who
Figure 1: Adopt-A-Park Considered a
commit regular service are not allowed to use the sustainable Revenue Source
heavy equipment such as groomers or mowers due
to potential liability problems. A survey was
Yes
conducted to inquire about volunteerism and
adopt-a-park income in other Minnesota
communities. 93% of the 39 respondents said that •
volunteers produced no revenue for their parks
system. This idea was determined as "not
feasible" as a long-term revenue source.
• Adopt-A-Park programs: Respondents to the Figure 2: Adopt-a-Park Duties
volunteerism and adopt-a-park survey indicated
Financial
that Adopt-a-Park programs do not generate 5% Omer
revenue for the department (see Figure 1), and o%
certainly not enough to sustain CIP parks p m roJ'ects maintainteeiai and'
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at Eagan's level. Figure 2 shows that 68% of 27°i° f Maintenance
respondents indicate that their Adopt-a-Park 0%
program was a "light maintenance only" program rriainte ance
where there is no fee charged for participation. 68%
This idea was deemed "not sustainable as arevenue source."
• Lottery Grants: Staff investigated the process by
which lottery funds are distributed. State lottery funds are distributed to the Legislative
Commission on Minnesota Resources (LCMR), who allots it for grant funding. The
City of Eagan has received LCMR-allotted funds through the Minnesota Department of
Natural Resources in the form of grant funds. According to the LCMR, individual
municipalities are not eligible to apply directly for State Lottery funding.
Partnership Opportunities: Eagan Parks and Recreation has historically welcomed
sponsorship and partnership opportunities. In recent years, a sponsorship policy has
been developed to guide the City on its dealings with external sponsors. The APrC is
currently working on a donor recognition policy that will help with those opportunities.
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While partnerships are always welcome and a valuable part of the Parks system, they
tend to be project or amenity specific rather than supportive of general parks operations
or CIP lists. As such, they are typically not perceived as a revenue stream to fund CIP
proj ects.
COUNCIL CHARGE: SET GOALS FOR FUTURE FUNDING INITIATIVES AND DETERMINE FUNDING
SOURCES FOR SPECIFIC GOALS
The APrC met in September of 2003 to discuss future steps to supporting CIP funds. They
reviewed the annual cost of maintaining the parks system as-is, with no new development and
no additional amenities. They determined that to maintain the status quo of the parks system, it
seemed reasonable to depreciate current Park Site Fund assets at $245,000 per year.
Hypothetically; if no additional funds were added, the Park Site Fund would run out in 12 years
just on holding the current park system, replacing depreciated amenities and regular
replacements such as playground equipment, tennis courts, etc. Park Site Funds are used for
CIP park development projects only, and by statute are not to be used in the general
maintenance of a park or its amenities.
Of course, there will likely be some income from parks dedication, so the estimated 12 years
may be conservative. On the other hand, maintaining the status quo has not been the only
function of the Park Site Fund. It is also used for acquisition, park development, Master
Planning, new amenities, and the like. The status quo of expenditure actually reduces the 12-
year estimate for depletion of existing Park Site Fund. Therefore, as revenue from parks and
trails dedication decreases, it becomes urgent that a solid, identifiable source of revenue be
identified before Park Site Funds can not support a conservative CIP. The APrC came up with
three recommendations for Council to consider.
RECOMMENDATIONS
After over a year of research, workshops, discussion, and analysis, the Advisory Parks
Commission has compiled its findings pertaining to alternative funding streams for City of
Eagan parks.
• Short-term: Discuss the logistics of a referendum to be used for acquisition and
development projects.
Also, use the existing park site fund for renewal/replacement, at approximately
$245,000 per annum.
• Long-term: Consider raising the levy, within the boundaries set by the state legislature.
Consider a dedicated fund for renewal, development, and purchase of park amenities.
• Continuous: Grants, donorships, and sponsorships will be pursued whenever possible.
Grant funds tend to be project-specific and can not be considered a replacement to a
continuous funding stream, but they are a very welcome supplement.
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71 Date: October 20, 2003
Agenda Item: J-1; JP-47 Update
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City of Eagan Information X
Parks and Recreation MEMO Attachments X Information meeting brief
AGENDA ITEM: J-1; JP-47 UPDATE
TO: ADVISORY PARKS COMMISSION
PREPARED BY: ERIC MACBETH, WATER RESOURCES COORDINATOR
ITEM OVERVIEW: Update on the public meeting held to provide information on the Fish Lake alum
treatment program.
BACKGROUND/HISTORY:
The City sponsored a public information meeting on October 1, 2003 from 7 to 10 p.m. to
provide information on the Fish Lake alum treatment program primarily to the immediate
neighborhood of JP-47 and east Fish Lake. Refer to the attached meeting brief for a
summary.
ANALYSIS:
Following letter invitations to over 50 addresses, about 20 City residents attended the
meeting that was hosted by 4 of the 5 council members. City Administrator Tom Hedges,
Parks and Recreation Director Ken Vraa, and Water Resources Coordinator Eric Macbeth
represented City staff at the meeting. Several members of the Advisory Park Commission
also were in attendance. Staffs from the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources and the
Minnesota Pollution Control Agency were valuable contributors on behalf of their regulatory
agencies. The City's consultant on the project, Barr Engineering also provided valuable
information.
The meeting began with a formal presentation that included an institutional history of the
project; a summary of up-to-date monitoring results and trends; and a review of the proposed
plan. A question and answer session followed the presentation.
DISCUSSION/EVALUATION:
Assuming this element of the Water Resources Program continues to proceed, the issues that
remain to be completed before next spring include: 1) acquisition of land for the alum
settling basin; 2) construction of the alum settling basin; and 3) acquisition of a State
operating permit. Regardless, Water Resources staff believes that removal of alum sludge to
restore JP-47 should proceed this winter.
ALTERNATIVES FOR COMMISSION CONSIDERATION:
This item is submitted for information purposes; however, the commission may wish to make
recommendations to the City Council relating to this topic.
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MEETING BRIEF
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INFORMATIONAL MEETING
FISH LAKE ALUM PROGRAM
10-01-03, 7:00 PM
Council Present: Peggy Carlson
Meg Tilley
Cyndee Fields
Mike Maguire
Staff Present:. Tom Hedges, City Administrator
Ken Vraa, Director of Parks and Recreation
Eric Macbeth, Water Resources Coordinator
Others: David Wright, Minnesota DNR
Mark Tomasek, Minnesota Pollution Control Agency
Joe Bems, Barr Engineering
PRESENTATION:
BRIEF BACKGROUND OF FISH LAKE ALUM DOSING PROGRAM
The Fish Lake Alum Treatment program actually has its roots in the Water Quality Plan, which
was completed in the early 1990s and which designated the lake as a Class I Direct Contact
Recreation waterbody. But because Fish Lake clearly did not meet the Plan's Class I water
quality standards, a diagnostic/feasibility study was completed in 1994 to determine the problems
of the lake and to identify possible solutions. The study focused on a watershed that was
expanded from 300 to 3,000 urbanized acres in 10 years from the early 1980s. The watershed is
funneled through a chain of water bodies that includes Hurley Lake, JP47, Fish Lake, and
eventually Blackhawk Lake.
ALUM DOSING EFFECTIVENESS
Although the lakes, ponds, wetlands, and stormwater basins in the watershed filter some sediment
and retain some nutrients, they ultimately do not address the high volumes of water that run
through the system. Consequently, the phosphorus problem in Fish Lake is primarily one of load
not of concentration. Load is the amount of material that enters a waterbody regardless of the
volume of water that carries it. Concentration refers to the amount of material in a specific
volume of water. There are several methods the City uses to reduce phosphorus load to Fish
Lake, such as priority spring and fall street sweeping and public education about phosphorus in
lawn fertilizers. However, because of the huge volumes of stormwater that funnel into the lake
from the watershed, the only known means to reduce phosphorus levels drastically enough to
meet water quality goals is through application of alum.
Table A: Total Phosphorus
After a 3-year pilot project from 1998 to 2000, the City Gewl.- 0.75 ma/liter
SMM SLOPE ESTIMATOR
has shown statistically that alum is highly effective in LSsh L
reducing the phosphorus levels in Fish Lake. About 80 % °
of the runoff entering Fish Lake travels through the Hurley
Lake/JP47 chain, thus providing the City a unique
opportunity to bind up phosphorus with alum before it
enters Fish Lake.
The State of Mmnesota regulates alum applications iDl1
through an interagency permit process by the Minnesota''
Pollution Control Agency (WCA) and the Minnesota
Department of Natural Resources (DNR). The City of
Eagan is required to collect data and report compliance Table B• Chlorophyll a
with the permit on an annual basis. Gnat 17. ,'u/ liter
According to trends monitored over time, alum dosing r'k'L
has reduced the levels of phosphorus in Fish Lake, as
seen in Table A Table B shows the reduction of _
chlorophyll in Fish Lake over time. Table C shows the .
distributions of phosphorus concentrations during the run * o p
of the program, 1991-2003, and suggests that
concentrations increased in 2002-2003, a year after alum s .
dosing appeared to have a residual affect in 2001. °
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As a side effect of alum dosing, the depth of the initial
receiving wetland (JP47) has decreased due to buildup
of "sludge," a mixture of alum, Table C: Total Phosphorus, mg/liter
phosphorus, wetland organic matter, and
water. This accumulating material needs BOX & WHISKERS PLOT
to be removed to restore the habitat Fish -L
quality of JP47. The buildup of sludge 02
was significant in 2000 because of high
flows. Exposure of the sludge to air
causes unpleasant odors. o.15
JP47.2
JP47.2 is a proposed sediment basin 0.1
located to the east of JP-47. The intent of
JP47.2 is to replace JP-47 as the primary
alum settling basin. Its engineered design o25
would allow sludge to accumulate deep
below the water surface, thereby greatly
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reducing or completely eliminating the o
odors associated with it in open air. The B•k. i•k. 9.1k. 7.7k. 1.k. 941. S.U. i.k. W..
large volume of proposed JP-47.2 would T"Zo wn
allow it to accumulate sludge for 3-5
years before needing cleanout. The proposed pond would be approximately 3 acres, with an
approximate depth of 10 feet.
CONCERNS ADDRESSED
• Review Additional Alternatives: Several attendees brought up the possibility of
reviewing alternative options other than construction of JP-47.2. Suggestions focused
primarily on additional vegetation and creation of wetlands to serve as a natural filters
of phosphorus and sediment.
Alternatives such as additional wetlands or additional vegetation have been explored by
City staff and the primary agencies, MPCA and DNR However, there is absolutely no
indication that such approaches would be able to affect Fish Lake phosphorus
concentrations to what is needed to meet water quality goals. The watershed already
provides many areas where stormwater is filtered by these means, and still the untreated
phosphorus levels are unacceptable for a Class 1 water body: According to the MPCA
and DNR, if it were possible to effectively treat exclusively via additional natural features
or vegetation, it would be done instead of creating a new basin, but at this time, for this
type of watershed, it would not be effective.
• Alum Overdosing in JP47: There was concern expressed over the levels of alum
accumulating in JP-47, and how that has impacted the wildlife and water quality.
It was noted that for the first two years of the program, Img/liter was the dose, but during
2000, the level was increased to 8mg/liter because university research indicated that that
dose would be much more effective. Coincidentally, the July 2000 "Super Storm"
occurred and an even higher amount of alum was injected because of stormwater flows.
Based on additional studies since 2000, an alum dose of 4 to 6 mg/liter appears to be
optimal and most cost effective.
• Potential of Greenway Corridor: One suggestion focused on the potential for the newly
delineated Eagan Greenway Corridor to aid in the filtration of stormwater and reduction
of phosphorus into Fish Lake.
If new technology is developed that supports use of geenway features to assist in
reduction of phosphorus, this alternative will be explored. However, the current
stormwater pathway has remained unchanged since urbanization of the watershed, and
phosphorus loads remain to be the problem despite flows through certain segments of the
Eagan Greenway Corridor.
• Smell and Sludge: Neighbors noted that the temporary alum settling basin, JP-47, has a
foul smell and sludge buildup. There is concern that this will occur on a newly developed
JP-47.2.
It was acknowledged that the reason why smell and buildup were issues in JP-47 is
because it is simply too shallow and too small to effectively retain stormwater loads from
the alum treatment operation. Once the sludge is removed and the naturally shallow water
depths are restored in JP-47, little to no additional sludge buildup is expected. The design
of JP47.2 should alleviate the odor problem by providing the sludge to accumulate to a
depth of 5 feet at 5 feet underwater before cleanout.
• Public Notice and Education: There was a concern voiced about the lack of public
education about the process, noting that neighbors felt there has been insufficient
information disseminated by the City about this program.
Since 1994, after the diagnostic/feasibility study and to help develop an implementation
program, the City has held a number of public and neighborhood meetings; provided
updates to City Council and the Advisory Parks Commission; published newsletter
articles; and communicated directly with nearby residents. Much of the background
information about the lake's challenges is not new; however, the information about the
effectiveness of the alum treatment program and the City's specific plan is relatively new.
This is why the public information meeting was recently held.
• Government Regulation of Phosphorus Fertilizers: There was a question as to how
new state legislation that restricts the use of phosphorus-containing fertilizers would
impact the need for alum dosing.
The legislative restriction on phosphorus based fertilizers does not ban their sale.
Theoretically, a homeowner is required to have a soil test completed before using
phosphorus-based fertilizer, although there is no requirement to show proof of the test in
order to purchase the fertilizer.
• Aesthetic Quality of JP47.2: There was concern that JP-47.2 would resemble be a
sterile, industrial-looking sediment basin, with no aesthetic quality.
Barr Engineering noted that JP47.2 would be primarily an open water body, but shorelines
would be marked by vegetation and green space, to resemble a naturally occurring water
body of that size. The shape of proposed JP-47.2 would optimize the footprint of the land
area, but it would have an interior low-lying berm structure to help increase the time
stormwater resides in the basin. Natural plants would become established alongside and
throughout the shallow parts of the basin similar to what has happened many times around
the basins the City frequently requires to be constructed to treat stormwater in residential
and commercial developments.
• Sludge Dredging: The current propertyowner of the land proposed for JP-47.2
expressed concern over how equipment would be brought to JP-47.2 for dredging.
An easement would provide the City access to JP-47.2 to allow equipment access to the
water body for dredging.
October 20, 2003
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Parks and Recreation MEMO AGENDA ITEM: X-X; EAGAN HISTORICAL SOC
IETY MINUTES
TO: ADVISORY PARKS COMMISSION
PREPARED BY: KEN VRAA, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION
ITEM DESCRIPTION: Response to APrC discussion regarding working with the Eagan
Historical Society on potential preservation of two houses.
BACKGROUND
Two homes have recently come under discussion as potentially historic. One house, a 1912
Craftsman style brick with flared eaves is located on property recently approved for development
by Mary Jo Copeland. The second, a 2 story vernacular four-square farmhouse at the southeast
intersection of Yankee Doodle Road and Coachman Road may also come under development
review. Both property owners have expressed interest in working with the City to preserve these
houses
At the September 15, 2003 APrC, the Commission expressed the desire to initiate
communication with the Eagan Historical Society regarding the two subject properties. The
Eagan Historical Society has discussed these properties at previous meetings. Attached are the
minutes from these meetings.
ALTERNATIVES FOR COMMISSION CONSIDERATION
This item is for informational purposes only.
Eagan Historical Society Minutes
of August 5, 2003 Meeting
A meeting of the Eagan Historical Society was held on Tuesday, August 5, 2003,
in the Community Room at Eagan City Hall. Present at the meeting were Ted Wachter,
Gin Knight, Bea Blomquist, Mary Ellen Voracek and staff members, Joanna Foote and
Beth Wielde. In the absence of both the Chair and Vice-Chair, staff facilitated the
meeting.
Historic House
Beth Wielde, Parks Research/Special Projects Coordinator gave a brief update on
an historic house, which was once located on the West Publishing property. Several
years ago, the house was relocated to a lot near Highway 55 and Lone Oak Road. That
property has now been purchased by the Copeland's for the "Gift of Mary Children's
Home" project and the house will likely be declared surplus property and be removed.
Council directed staff and the Historical Society to look into the possibilities of
acquiring the house from the Copelands, to assess its historic value and the cost
involved in moving it. The Council suggested that it might be utilized as a Park Field
House at Thresher's Fields. The Council also suggested that the Historical Society
might get involved in determining the historical value of the home. Beth stated that it
would require a substantial financial commitment both to relocate the house and to
bring the house up to code, which has stricter requirements if the building is to be used
for a public purpose. Staff has made preliminary inquiries and the Copeland's seem
amenable to working with the City if we wish to relocate the home and indicated that
they will not likely make any move to remove or otherwise dispose of the house until at
least spring, 2004. Cost estimates for a move and upgrade are included as an
attachment but would likely be in excess of $140,000 to $190,000.
Joanna also reported that another historic home on Yankee Doodle Road, across from
Carbon's Restaurant is also about to be removed for development. As she recalled,
this house was once the home of the DesLaurier family. Staff will also look into the
feasibility of the preservation of this home and determine the options available and the
timeline in which the developer wishes to proceed. The developer also indicated that
he would be willing to work with the City if it wanted to relocate the home. Staff will
keep the membership updated on both issues.
Approve June 3, 2003 Minutes
The minutes of the June 3, 2003 Historical Society meeting were approved as
presented.
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of September 2, 2003 Meeting
A meeting of the Eagan Historical Society was held on Tuesday, September 2,
2003, in the Community Room at Eagan City Hall. A work session began at 1:30 p.m.
followed by a regular meeting at 3:40 p.m. Present at the meeting were Gin Knight,
Dan Kahnke, Bea Blomquist, Martin DesLauries, Kim Hazel and staff member Joanna
Foote.
Approve August 5, 2003 Minutes
DesLauriers made a motion to approve the minutes of the August 5, 2003
Historical Society meeting; Blomquist seconded with all members voting in favor.
Historical Society Business
Formalize Remaining Plans for September 21, Open House
Committee members discussed plans for the September 21 Open House. A meeting is
scheduled for September 9 at 10:00 a.m. to finalize displays. Members agreed that the
milk producer's photo should be brought up at the Open House.
Update Regarding House(s) Proiect
Former Sanford Property- Yankee Doodle Road
Martin DesLauriers informed the group that his father, Louis DesLauriers had grown up
in this home which was built for his father, William DesLauriers, in 1912 by Mr.
Letendre.
DesLauriers stated that after his Grandparents gave up the home, a family which had a
"dog-handling" business moved into the home and let animals run freely inside. He
believes that the inside was nearly entirely destroyed and that nothing of its historic
nature now remains.
In his opinion, there are several other properties within Eagan that would be better
candidates for preservation, particularly if the structures were to remain on their original
farm sites. He stated that he felt any of these structures lost a great deal of their historic
value once moved off of their original sites. Those structures included:
1. The Rheinhold Rahn farm on Lexington Ave. across from the post office. (now
Steineger Excavation) The home and out-buildings retain their historic character
and have been well preserved on the original farmstead.
2. Chapdelaine home on Highway 149 south of "Stark's" near Chapel Lane,
probably built in 1800s. It is a large white 2-story home. He thought that this
property may likely back up to Bur Oaks Park.
3. Anna Boesel home near Cliff Lake Townhomes/Cliff Lake Center at Blackhawk
Road and Cliff lake Drive. This beautiful brick home is on its original site (now
located within townhome community) and is very well preserved and maintained.
Martin did not know what the arrangement was regarding the home but he
believed that Mrs. Boesel likely has some agreement with the developer to live
out her life in the home.
4. The former District 11 school house at the comer of Lexington and Lone Oak
Road which is currently for sale (as of 9/5/03 -it is also marked for sale as
"commercial") This structure has been used as a home over the past many years
so is no longer historically accurate on the interior but the exterior is much the
same as when it was built.
5. Rahn home on Rahn Road near Diffley Road. Exterior (at least-he has not
recently seen the interior) is still historically accurate.
The group agreed that the homes all lose some historical value once relocated but also
agreed that it would be good to have some sort of plan or program in place should
historic properties become available. As it stands currently, the City, nor to the groups
knowledge, the County has no such preservation program or funding in place. It was
noted that Beth Wielde, Parks Research Coordinator has a background in Historic
Preservation and her advice may be sought regarding the potential for development of
this type of program.
Update on History Group Ca-) Community Center
A meeting is scheduled for September 15 in the Lone Oak Room with seniors from the
Center who have an interest in history. Members are encouraged to attend to determine
if there are ways in which the two groups might work together or compliment one
another's efforts.
Contacts for Trinity Lone Oak Church Photo
Foote mentioned that it had been brought to her attention that Trinity Lone Oak Church
had many historical records which might be of interest to this Historical Society group
and stated that the group may wish to consider contacting that church and other Eagan
churches to determine whether the have information and or historical data which would
be worth preserving by the Historical Society.
Consider Acquisition of Flat File
Foote mentioned that a flat file might be of value to the group for storage of oversized
maps, etc. She has contacted the City Engineering Department only to find that they
have gotten rid of several of this type of file within the past few years and no longer
have any. She will contact Dakota County to determine if they have such a file and
will research other options for obtaining such a file.
Discuss Work Session Dates for September/October
Future dates for Historical Society work session are as follows:
■ Open House Discussion: Sept 21 from 11:00 - 2:00 @ Old Town Hall
■ Regular Meeting: October 7 @ 3:30 p.m.
Knight made a motion to reserve an historic display of ten most endangered historical
sites being offered by the MN Historic Preservation Society. The motion was approved
by acclamation of all members present.
Adjournment
Blomquist made a motion to adjourn the meeting at 4:40 p.m. All members voted in
favor.
Subject to ap rn oval
ADVISORY PARKS COMMISSION
EAGAN, MINNESOTA
MINUTES OF REGULAR MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 15, 2003
A regular meeting of the Advisory Parks Commission was called to order at 7:00 p.m. on September 15,
2003 with the following Commission Members present: Joseph Bari, Phil Belfiori, Margo Danner, Terry Davis, N.
Mark Filipi, Elizabeth Perry, Dorothy Peterson, Richard Pletcher, and Ken West. Member Williams was not
present. Staff present included Ken Vraa, Director of Parks and Recreation; Jeff Asfahl, Superintendent of
Recreation; Paul Olson, Parks Superintendent; Eric Macbeth, Water Resources Coordinator; Paula Nowariak,
Recreation Supervisor; Colleen Callahan, Youth Development Coordinator; Aaron Hunter, Cascade Bay Manager;
Beth Wielde, Research and Special Projects; Cherryl Mesko, Recording Secretary.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Richard Pletcher moved, Margo Danner seconded with all members voting in favor to accept the agenda
as presented.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF AUGUST 18, 2003
Dorothy Peterson moved, N Mark Filipi seconded with all members voting in favor to accept the minutes
of the August 18, 2003 meeting as presented.
VISITORS TO BE HEARD
WMO PRESENTATION
Water Resources Coordinator Macbeth introduced Wayne Sames, recently appointed member of the WMO
board of managers serving Eagan, Mendota Heights and Inver Grove Heights. Coordinator Macbeth noted that
board members can no longer be City staff as has been the case for the past several years. It was noted that the
board meets quarterly to review the watershed plan for the region; 95% of which is located in Eagan.
Mr. Sames, a previous Advisory Parks Commission member, further explained the change in legislation to
select citizen members to the organization rather than staff. He noted that although he is still learning about the
organization he is very enthusiastic about participating and appreciates being able to be involved. He concluded that
he will try to communicate updated information to the Advisory Commission as well as other groups in the
community.
EAGAN BANDIT BASEBALL - WAYNE BUTOR
Mr. Butor introduced the Eagan Bandits as a "town team" or amateur baseball team that belongs to the
Cannon Valley League and whose home field is Goat Hill Park. The team is fairly new to the league and has
enjoyed successful seasons since they began in 2001. Mr. Butor outlined the groups fundraising ventures to offset
the annual budget expenditures of approximately $3500. The Bandits are hopeful that local interest in the team will
grow so that residents are still coming out to watch their local team play 25 years from now.
Marty Haugen, 3718 Denmark Court addressed the Commission with concerns about the alum dosing in
Fish Lake. He noted that his home takes up part of the wetland and that there is sludge in the pond as a result of the
alum dosing. He also expressed concerns for condemning part of the Patrick McCarthy property to provide another
dosing station because of the expense and aesthetics. He opined that it is not appropriate to sacrifice Mr. McCarthy's
property solely for the improvement of Fish Lake. Mr. Haugen suggested that there certainly are other options and
solutions to the problem that haven't been carefully pursued.
Member Davis thanked Mr. Haugen for his comments and suggested that he stay so that he can comment
when the Pond JP47 item appears on the agenda.
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SUPERINTENDENT'S UPDATE AND DEPARTMENT HAPPENINGS
RECREATION PROGRAM UPDATE - COLLEEN CALLAHAN
Youth Development Coordinator Callahan provided an in-depth review of the background and evolution of
the youth development programs. She reviewed the collaborations with the school districts and YMCA along with
other coordinated programming to provide a more inclusive and comprehensive approach for access and service
delivery. Coordinator Callahan also briefly reviewed the growth of teen programming and specifically identified
several events and programs to engage teens in the community.
Coordinator Callahan introduced Sam Kunjummen who explained that he had become a member of E-TAB
(Eagan Teen Advisory Board) to make a difference in teen participation in the community. He shared his pride in
what has been accomplished by the group especially collecting survey information from teens that was presented to
the City Council. He noted that it is important for their voices to be heard, particularly as it affects the Teen Center
at the Eagan Community Center. Member Davis thanked Sam and the E-TAB board for their involvement and
interest in making a difference in the community.
Sharon Stames addressed the Commission as a parent of a teen who had participated in the past series of
Battle of the Bands. She stated that the series started a year ago and has provided an outstanding opportunity for
young aspiring artists to showcase their talents. She added that this is a really great way for parents to share an
interest with their teens.
Coordinator Callahan concluded her presentation by noting that a lot of the programs that are currently
being offered are from ideas the teens have brought forward. When asked if the teen center would take donations of
televisions and VCRs, Coordinator Callahan responded they would be happy to consider any gift.
RECREATION PROGRAM UPDATE - PAULA NOWARIAK
Supervisor Nowariak presented a very detailed power point presentation of the youth and family programs
that occurred during summer 2003. After talking about the high number of returning staff she reviewed the
multitude of programs and events that are offered during the summer to fill the days of children 5-12 years old.
Supervisor Nowariak's presentation was concluded with a review of program evaluations and looking ahead to the
2004 season.
CASCADE BAY SEASON UPDATE - AARON HUNTER
Cascade Bay Manager Hunter shared a power point presentation and brief overview of the 2003 season.
Although the summer started off slowly it was noted that the final revenues will be sufficient to cover all
expenditures, debt reduction and renewal/replacement. It was noted too that Cascade Bay enjoyed a very high return
rate for staff. The change for 2003 was the expansion of programming opportunities during off-peak hours with
1500 people participating. Looking to 2004, Manager Hunter commented that expansion of programs and the
addition of swim lessons will add to the season.
Member Bari asked if there were any issues with the change in the stroller policy. Manager Hunter
responded that periodically people will ignore the rules but there have not been many issues pertaining to the
change. Member Peterson asked if group revenues are still a large component to revenue generation. Manager
Hunter responded that although they dropped slightly last year they certainly helped out on cooler days when daily
admission numbers were lower. Director Vraa commented that although the attendance numbers for 2003 (149,000)
were slightly lower than some previous years, it should be noted that they are still higher than the initial projection
of 135,000 before the park opened.
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CONSENT AGENDA
Dorothy Peterson moved, Elizabeth Perry seconded with all members voting in favor to make the following
recommendations to the City Council regarding the Eagan Grove Addition:
1. This proposal would be subject to a cash parks dedication.
2. This proposal would be subject to a cash trails dedication.
3. Four ponds should be constructed to treat stormwater from 4.1 acres. They should have minimum wet-
pond volumes and areas according to stormwater runoff and storage models that are to be acceptable to
the City. The treatment ponds should be constructed according to NURP standards with a maximum
depth of 6 feet and a 10:1 aquatic bench from normal water levels.
4. In lieu of ponding to treat stormwater runoff from 1.6 acres, a cash dedication should be required.
DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
There were no development agenda items for the Commission to discuss.
OLD BUSINESS
POND JP-47 - ALUM TREATMENT REVIEW
Director Vraa introduced this item noting that based on Council direction staff has been proceeding with
this project under the premise of acquiring part of the Patrick McCarthy property to accommodate the creation of
Pond JP-47.2 He did clarify, however that because the City is moving toward condemnation of this property that
appraised value and cost for acquisition cannot be discussed at this time.
Water Resources Coordinator Macbeth provided background and facts regarding this project that date back
to 1990 when the City's Water Quality Management Plan was the first of its kind in the state. At that time, Fish
Lake was designated as one of only seven Class I (direct contact) waterbodies but fell short of the water quality
management criteria when the Plan was adopted. In 1994 a diagnostic/feasibility study gave a reference point to
begin work to decrease the phosphorous levels in the lake. Coordinator Macbeth reviewed the series of meetings,
public announcements, published articles and briefings that occurred during 1994-95 to educate the Advisory
Commission, City Council and public.
In 1995 the MPCA awarded the City a grant and loan package totaling $100,000 to implement a plan with
10 management and program components. Coupled with the City of Eagan's cost share the project exceeded
$250,00 from July 1995 through July, 1999. During 1996 a pilot study of alum dosing was conducted with
communication documented to the neighborhood so that they could be kept updated. Coordinator Macbeth
reminded the Commission that this method has been used for over 50 years. From the beginning the City was aware
that sludge removal was going to happen.
Coordinator Macbeth then took the Advisory Commission through the construction of the alum dosing
station in 1998 through 2000. At that time the City determined not to operate the alum injection system until the
sludge accumulation was addressed and a long-term operation and maintenance program was established. In
January, 2002 staff reviewed short-term and long-term management issues of JP47 at a City Council workshop and
on February 5, 2002 the Council authorized a request for bids to remove and dispose of the alum sludge and create a
sediment basin in JP47 per plans and specifications. Because of storm mitigation priorities this project was
postponed until October 2002 when removal was again authorized along with the creation of a sediment basin within
JP47, prioritization of the construction of settling basin on land between Hurly Lake and JP47 subject to land
availability and pending development and active pursuit of additional wetland bank acres.
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Because the City would not be able to comply with the state water quality standards for JP-47 that would be
required under a non-experimental operating permit the contract was denied. Until an artificial settling basin is
constructed, the alum injection system cannot be operated. The City, however, was aware in 1990 that this may
become an issue during discussions and issuance of the first (experimental) permit.
Coordinator Macbeth then shared technical and statistical data focusing on the watershed, model of
phosphorous in and out of Fish Lake, 8 stormwater inflows to Fish Lake and only one outflow to Blackhawk, and
the trends from 1991 to 2001. Noted was the expansion of the watershed from 300 acres initially to now over 3,000
acres. Macbeth added that 60% of the stormwater comes in through Pond JP-47. In summary, Coordinator Macbeth
stated that what we know is that alum dosing works and that the City of Eagan is committed to maintaining the Class
I designation of Fish Lake.
Member Davis thanked Coordinator Macbeth for the background information, which was helpful in
reviewing the issue. He asked how the sludge waste is characterized. Coordinator Macbeth noted that although the
State doesn't have a standard for this waste, he does not consider it toxic since much of it is silt. Macbeth noted
there are two options for disposal; landfill or land spreading. He did note that it is not strictly an organic material,
but added that he is not an expert in waste removal.
Member Peterson commented that the super storm in 2000 severely impacted the dosing station and asked
if that could be a part of the sludge build-up. Coordinator Macbeth opined that that could be a part of the problem
but wanted to clarify that there is approximately 2-2'/z feet of sludge settlement, not 4 feet as Mr. Haugen contended.
Member Peterson asked if alum dosing will be done in another basin other than JP-47. Coordinator Macbeth
responded that it would.
Member Filipi asked if there are alternative means to deal with phosphorous. Coordinator Macbeth noted
that lawn care practices, buffer strips and education can always be helpful but noted that there is not a great deal of
phosphorous coming into JP-47. Member Filipi asked if there was something as, or more effective than alum
dosing? Coordinator Macbeth responded that there aren't any known better ways to get results that alum dosing
produces. Staff will continue to collect information and do research to see how to best maximize degradation.
Member Filipi asked if there are any alternatives other than alum dosing. Coordinator Macbeth reiterated that he
was unaware of anything as effective as alum dosing.
Member Danner asked if this had not been done in Fish Lake what other lakes could have benefited.
Coordinator Macbeth responded that this program was an experiment designed specifically for Fish Lake based on
the data in the early 1990's. Director Vraa explained that at the time staff tried to figure out how to get the biggest
benefit for the dollars expended. Although they could have looked at LeMay or Blackhawk Lake the impact would
have been to one water body. It was thought best to go upstream to one of the largest watersheds which had the
downstream elements and components to test this option.
Member Danner asked why the sludge hasn't been taken out of JP-47 before now. Director Vraa'
responded that infrequent removal would be the most cost effective. Member Danner also asked what would have
happened if the McCarthy property had been developed and presumably not available for placement of a pond.
Director Vraa responded that the City would have required a 3 acre parkland dedication. Member Danner asked if
the 3 acres proposed for ponding will be enough and will the sludge have to be removed regularly from this new
one. Director Vraa responded that his best guess would be removal every 4-6 years and that the consultants feel the
size is sufficient. Director Vraa added that the plan to remove the sludge and build a new pond would be done
simultaneously this fall and winter.
Member Belfiori opined that Eagan is one of the most advanced cities in the state to provide these
technological advancements. He thanked the City of Eagan for working so diligently toward the goal of maintaining
high water quality standards.
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Mr. Haugen stated that this is an ambitious project and the City wants to see drastic results. He suggested
creating a wetland rather than a permanent sediment basin for the single benefit to Fish Lake. Mr. Haugen stated the
need to look at what is being created because it will be expensive and it will change the look of the McCarthy
property. He also opined that this may not be the only option and would prefer a more natural wetland option.
Coordinator Macbeth responded that if a 3-acre wetland would work in this location he would be the first one
advocating for that option.
Member Pletcher asked if Pond JP47 will revert to a more natural water body once JP47.2 is constructed.
Coordinator Macbeth confirmed that it would. Member Pletcher asked how visible or obtrusive Pond JP47.2 will
be. Coordinator Macbeth stated that the settling area is planned to be 10 feet deep so initially there will be
significant excavation but added that there are several examples of basins in the City of Eagan that are now natural
looking and non-obtrusive.
NEW BUSINESS
There were no New Business items for the Commission to discuss.
WATER RESOURCES UPDATE
There were no additional Water Resources issues for the Commission to discuss.
OTHER BUSINESS AND REPORTS
SUBCOMMITTEE UPDATES
Member Peterson noted that the Friends of the Farm have met regarding the structures on the site based on
the Holz Farm Master Plan. She also addressed the idea of a preliminary application for historic restoration and
suggested that 3 members of the Advisory Commission review that application, which could provide grants for the
work that needs to be done on the site. Members volunteering to review the application included Dorothy Peterson,
N Mark Filipi and Richard Pletcher.
COMMUNITY CENTER UPDATE
Director Vraa reminded the Advisory Commission of the Grand Opening on September 27 and that they
should report to the pavilion for that segment of the grand opening ceremonies. It was also noted that this would be
the last meeting that a community center update would appear on the agenda.
ROUND TABLE
Member Danner asked if a bench, like the one located near the Grandfather Tree, will be available for sale
or could someone donate one to the park. Director Vraa responded that that could certainly be considered. He noted
that the cost of the bench Member Danner was describing is approximately $1,000.
To piggyback on the discussion of donations, Member Pletcher suggested that a meeting of the Naming
Rights sub-committee would be appropriate. September 29 at 5:45 p.m. was set for that meeting.
Member Peterson brought up the issue of a home potentially being accepted as surplus property and moved
to Thresher Fields as a shelter building. Understanding that the Historical Society was meeting to see if there was a
historical basis to preserve two buildings that were being declared surplus property, Member Peterson suggested that
representatives of the Advisory Commission meet with the Historical Society to see if moving these buildings is a
viable option. It was suggested that staff coordinate a meeting in October with the Historical Committee and the
Acquisition and Development sub-committee to discuss this further.
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ADJOURNMENT
With no further business to conduct Terry Davis moved, Dorothy Peterson seconded with all members
voting in favor to adjourn the meeting. The meeting was adjourned at 10:15 p.m.
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