03/17/1998 - City Council Special
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MINUTES OF THE
SPECIAL MEETING OF THE EAGAN CITY COUNCIL
EAGAN, MINNESOTA
MARCH 17, 1998
A special meeting of the Eagan City Council was held on Tuesday, March 17, 1998 at
5:00 p.m. in the Eagan Municipal Center Community Room. Present were Mayor Egan and City
Councilmembers Awada, Blomquist, Masin and Wachter. Also present were Director of Parks
and Recreation Vraa, Director of Finance VanOverbeke and City Administrator Hedges.
VISITORS TO BE HEARD
Mayor Egan invited any visitors to be heard to comment, and acknowledged there were
no visitors to be heard.
FEASffiILITY REPORT/AQUATIC POOL FACILITY PROJECT
City Administrator Hedges stated that City staff and representatives of Water
Technology, Inc. hosted community informational meetings on March 4 and March 10 to review
concept plans for the proposed family aquatic pool facility with interested members of the public.
He further stated that the City has received community feedback through e-mail messages,
telephone calls, correspondence and comments at the informational meetings. Director of Parks
and Recreation Vraa stated that the comments appear to be approximately 85 percent in support
of building an aquatic pool facility, while 15 percent were an objection to proceeding ahead with
a portion or all of the project. Mr. Vraa introduced Chuck Newman, Carl Fuerst and Claude
Rogers, all representatives of Water Technology, Inc., who were present to present the final
feasibility plan for consideration by the City Council.
Mr. Rogers, representing Water Technology, Inc., presented the overall plan reviewing
the various elements of the aquatic pool. He specifically spoke of concerns the Windcrest
neighborhood raised about noise and the site visibility given their close location to the proposed
aquatic pool facility. Mr. Rogers reviewed the site elevations, the berm, fencing and landscaping,
all of which provide a favorable buffering for the adjacent neighborhood.
City Councilmember Awada referred to the written correspondence from the community
and asked if the aquatic pool should be redesigned to accommodate a 50 meter design element.
Mr. Newman, representing Water Technology, Inc., stated that most outdoor pool facilities
contain a 25 yard feature which is adequate for swim meets and tournaments. Mayor Egan also
spoke to the special interests that were referenced in the various correspondence received by the
City and stated that he has to rely on the experience of the consultants for what are the best
choices and design features for the proposed aquatic pool facility.
City Councilmember Wachter stated that it appears, from the correspondence, the public
would prefer more than three (3) lanes for the 25 meter competitive swim area. He also raised
questions about the drainage, asking if the storm water holding pond will be adequate to handle
the impervious surface runoff. Mr. Rogers stated that the aquatic pool facility design could
accommodate up to six (6) lanes if desired and, further, that the storm water is handled up stream
and will not impact the storm water holding pond. City Councilmember Wachter further asked if
the City could add any additional features to the aquatic pool facility south of the Lazy River in
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the future. Mr. Rogers stated the land area is a 3 to I slope and would be too steep for any
additional aquatic pool features.
Mr. Newman stated that the facility has an excellent mix of features for all ages and the
location with the embankment protecting the northern elements and maximizing the southern sun
exposure provides for an ideal location.
Mr. Fuerst, representing Water Technology, Inc., stated that it has only been in recent
years that the concept of public pools has changed. He stated that 54 percent of the community
will swim, however, only one percent of the population will swim competitively. He stated that
the traditional rectangular lap pools were designed for the competitive swimmer and are heavily
subsidized by municipalities. Mr. Fuerst stated that recent studies will show the high use factors
are the zero depth recreational/non-competitive swim features and the deep area that provides for
the competitive swimming lanes has the least amount of use by those using the aquatic pool
facilities. Mr. Fuerst stated the aquatic pool facility should be designed for a bather capacity of
2000, given the population and demographics of the community.
Mayor Egan stated that every question is valid and is considered a good comment and
will be taken seriously as the City Council reviews the final design features for the aquatic pool
project. City Councilmember Masin asked the consultants, if more consideration were given to
competitive swimming, what design changes would be required. Mr. Newman, representing
Water Technology, Inc., stated that the design, as presented, could expand from three (3) lanes to
approximately six (6) lanes and accommodate the competitive swim feature. City
Councilmember Awada stated she would like staff to ask the swim club if they would prefer a 25
meter or 50 meter design feature. City Councilmember Masin asked if the municipal center
campus is the best site for the aquatic pool facility or whether the City has reviewed other sites
for the proposed project. Director of Parks and Recreation Vraa responded stating that according
to the consultants and staff, the municipal center campus is the best site for the aquatic pool
facility. He stated the location is in the center of the community, provides opportunities for foot
and bicycle traffic, has security in its relationship to the police department and is the best site to
market in the community. He further stated that the municipal center campus has been designated
for a community center, swimming pool and ice facility since it was acquired in the late 1970's.
Mr. Vraa further stated the water treatment center site at Pilot Knob Road and Cliff Road, and
sites originally considered for the amphitheater, are either too small or lack many ofthe elements
that make the municipal center site favorable for a pool. City Councilmember Blomquist agreed,
stating that a swimming pool facility for the municipal center site has been a vision since she was
on the City Council in 1980. She further discussed the total project stating that it appears the
Lazy River feature may cause the project to contain too many features at this site, and further
expressed concern about the cost for the Lazy River and the project. She further stated that
originally the cost of the project was estimated at approximately $4.5 million and now it has
increased to over $7 million. City Administrator Hedges stated the municipal center campus
provides a natural security with its relationship to the police department and, further, the amount
of parking necessary for the two civic arenas and the aquatic pool facility will be nicely shared at
this location.
City Councilmember Wachter stated that the slopes and grassy sunning area are excellent
for watching small children which is a design feature natural to this site due to the favorable
elevations.
Mr. Fuerst, representing Water Technology, Inc., presented the economic projections for operation ofthe aquatic pool facility stating the facility should net an average of $153, 180 of
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revenue after expenses, and given the history of four (4) similar facilities including St. Louis
Park, could reach as high as $262,500. City Councilmember Blomquist asked if the comparative
cities in the study are operating on a longer season than anticipated for our facility. Mr. Newman
stated that all the outdoor aquatic pool facilities used in the comparative study are seasonal from
Memorial Day to Labor Day.
After a brief review of the rates and fees to be charged by the consultants, City
Councilmember Wachter stated he would prefer the user fee for Eagan lower than the non-
resident rate. City Councilmember Awada stated that the proforma should include both operating
revenue projections for a bather load capacity of 1200 and 2000. She specifically asked how the
revenue projections change in adding the additional 800 bather load, or in other words, what are
the net revenues after expenses for both the 1200 and 2000 bather load projections. Mr. Newman
stated that the projections are based on a 2000 bather load, but stated that there would be a
significant difference if the facility was built for a 1200 bather load. And, further, ifthe facility is
too small there will be some fall off experience from anticipated repeat business.
City Councilmember Masin stated there are no similar aquatic pool facilities within the
general area and asked how this would impact the facility. Carl Fuerst, representing Water
Technology, Inc., stated the interest by non-residents will be very high due to the fact that there
are no similar facilities in the adjacent area, and as a result, the City could establish the user fees
for non-residents at a rate 50 to 100 percent higher than resident fees.
City Councilmember Awada stated it is important that the consultants and City staff
project the cost based on both a 1200 and 2000 bather load capacity. She stated her rough
calculations indicate the real cost differential to the City, for adding the Lazy River and
increasing the total capital cost from $4.5 million to the estimated $7.I million, will be offset by
income that is projected if Phase II is built at this time. She further stated that the actual capital
cost is approximately $1 million more after revenue projections. Or in other words, by
constructing Phase II and adding the additional revenue to the already established operational
base, the City would build the second phase for approximately $2.6 million. The actual out of
pocket cost to the City would be approximately $1 million due to the amount of additional
revenues projected in the project proforma.
Director of Finance VanOverbeke reviewed the status of the Community Investment
Fund stating that the available balance as of December 31, 1997 is $7,127,590. He further
reviewed the status of the Street Construction Fund stating that if all the projects are constructed
as proposed in the five (5) year CIP (1998 through 2002), the total pending cash balance based on
a conservative projection of municipal state aids and other revenues is $5,296,472. City
Councilmembers asked if this ending cash balance assumes any escrow for the Country Joe
lawsuit. Director of Finance VanOverbeke stated the amount projected in the ending cash
balance as stated should cover both principal and interest for the Country Joe litigation, if District
Court requires the City to repay the road unit fees that were collected over a period of seven to
eight years.
City Administrator Hedges stated that questions have been raised by the Windcrest
neighborhood as to whether an EIS will be necessary before the proposed aquatic pool facility is
constructed. City Attorney Jim Sheldon appeared and stated that environmental quality board
regulations for an environmental impact statement is a project that will generate a peak capacity
of 30,000 people per day. He further stated that the regulations for an environmental assessment
worksheet is for a daily capacity that would reach of a peak of 5000. He stated the aquatic pool
facility capacity is either 1200 or 2000, depending on whether the City constructs one or both
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phases and, in either case, an EA W or EIS is not required. City Councilmembers questioned
whether certain environmental reviews could be made regardless of the requirements for an
EA W. The City Attorney stated that the City can do a discretionary environmental review,
however, there is no mandatory requirement for either an EA W or EIS on this project.
Mayor Egan thanked the consultant staff and City Council for the dialogue regarding the
proposed aquatic pool facility, and stated that the item would be addressed at the regular City
Council meeting on March 17 as an item of old business.
OTHER BUSINESS
There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned at 6:30 p.m.
March 17, 1998
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City Clerk