07/17/2000 - Advisory Parks & Recreation Commission
Approved August 14, 2000
ADVISORY PARKS COMMISSION
EAGAN, MINNESOTA
MINUTES OF REGULAR MEETING OF JULY 17,2000
A regular meeting of the Advisory Parks Commission was called to order at 7:06 p.m. on July 17,2000
with the following Commission Members present: Joseph Bari, Terry Davis, Cyndee Fields, Floyd Hiar, Dorothy
Peterson, and chairman John Rudolph. Staff present included Kenneth Vraa, Director of Parks and Recreation, Jeff
Asfahl, Superintendent of Recreation, Paul Olson, Parks Superintendent, Eric Macbeth, Water Resources
Coordinator, and Beth Wielde, Parks and Recreation Administration Specialist.
APPROV AL OF AGENDA
John Rudolph moved to approve the agenda, Terry Davis seconded with all members voting to accept the
agenda as presented.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF JUNE 19, 2000
Chairman Rudolph asked that "Member Bari" replace "He" on page 2, third paragraph to the last starting
"Member Rudolph stated he admired..." Chairman Rudolph moved, Terry Davis seconded with all members voting
to accept the minutes as amended.
VISTORS TO BE HEARD
There were no visitors that wished to address the Commission under this agenda item.
DEPARTMENT HAPPENINGS
Director Vraa touched on several of the Department Happenings included within the packet, including the
successful youth association invitational tournament, the consultant-aided "Discover Us" brochure reformat, an
update on the storm damage to the parks, to be discussed later in the agenda. Also discussed were plantings in right-
of-way in developments, the Northview Park storage box fire by vandals, and the paving of the north lot at Thomas
Lake Park and the second hockey rink at Goat Hill Park, as part of ClP programs, and replacement of hockey boards
at Goat Hill. Next, Vraa mentioned the completion of weed harvesting on Fish Lake, a removal of 116 tons of
aquatic plants. After Vraa's presentation, Chairman Rudolph took a moment to thank the City staff for their efforts
in the wake of the July 7 storm, calling it "ajob well done." Floyd Hiar asked where the harvested material goes.
Eric Macbeth said it is used for compost at the Lexington Diffley park site.
CONSENT AGENDA
Dorothy Peterson moved to approve the consent agenda, Chairman Rudolph seconded, with all members
voting in favor to recommend that the City Council approve the use of the NSP tower and the environmental review
associated with the 14.9 acre Space Center Air Cargo terminal site.
DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL
There were no development proposals for the Commission to review.
OLD BUSINESS
LEXINGTON POINT TRAIL ACCESS CHANGE REQUEST
After giving a brief background of the issue, director Vraa indicated that meeting the 5% slope requirement
would be difficult, and that the developer would have to install a retaining wall, which would
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be cost prohibitive. Vraa explained the location between lots 12 and 13, the proposed alternative, and slope
differential on a plat exhibit. The issue arose whether it was possible to adhere to the development agreement to
meet the 5% slope requirement, and that either the standards need to be amended or the trail needs to be relocated
between lots 14 and 15.
Steve Arbors, president of the Walnut Ridge Homeowners Association and Board voiced concern over the
proposed location of the trail. The Association requests that the trail be put between lots 14 and 15, due to safety
concerns such as the abnormally large slope, and the sharp bend towards the water body, which my send those on
bikes or roller blades into the pond, or residents falling off the retaining wall. Other concerns included the current
use of the area between lots 14 and 15 which is already used as a trail, and the aesthetic of the pond itself which is
used primarily as a wastewater collection site. Arbors indicated that the community has already established a
favored route. Arbors mentioned the proposed site would likely not be used by the residents, who have historically
used the space between 14 and 15. Finally, Arbors addressed the cost of the trail, which would be significantly
higher as planned than if the trail was re-routed. The Association would prefer extra funds be used to for a
connection to Walnut Hill Park.
Joseph Bari questioned Arbors if the homeowner on Lot 15 would object to a trail. Arbors indicated that
and the homeowner on Lot 15 does not object to the proposed trail being located between 14 and 15, and has said
they would grant an easement. Arbors said the homeowner on Lot 15 was aware of the possible trail at the time of
purchase. Chairman Rudolph expressed concern over apparent misleading by the developer, pointing out "bait and
switch" tactics used by the developer. Arbors agreed, and mentioned that as the president of the homeowner's
association, he had to look at what members want, despite his own displeasure with the developer.
Dorothy Peterson asked if the Lawnhill property line was behind lots 14 and 15, and Vraa responded that it
was park land behind 14 and 15. Peterson commented that children would likely walk the direct route.
Joseph Bari stated that there was an agreement made in September, and both parties were expected to live
up to it, and made the motion to approve trail realignment between lots 14 and 15, seconded by Hiar. Chairman
Rudolph asked Vraa if there would be additional cost to the City associated with the realignment, and Vraa said, not
likely, but they would need an easement document for the trail, and there may be relatively minor legal fees. Terry
Davis asked if the cost estimate presented in the packet was realistic, and Vraa affirmed, stating that engineering
staff agrees.
Dorothy Peterson amended the original motion to add disappointment and displeasure with the developer.
Terry Davis asked if a permit has been taken out for Lot 14, owned by the builder, and Vraa said a permit had
requested for 14, although the trail needs to go in before the permit is issued, and 15 is under construction. Davis
inquired about permits on 14, and Vraa stated that the Planning Department has put a hold on issuance of all
permits. Chairman Rudolph presented the amended motion, to realign the trail between lots 14 and 15, and voice
disappointment and displeasure with the developer. Floyd Hiar proposed to amend the motion, to include that the
developer absorb any additional legal costs associated with the realignment. Terry Davis agreed, saying the
developer should have to absorb all additional costs.
Chairman Rudolph presented the amended motion, to realign the proposed trail from between lots 12 and
13 to between lots 14 and 15, to express disappointment and displeasure with the developer, and to require the
developer to bear any additional costs associated with the realignment. Floyd Hiar recommended obtaining a letter
of agreement from the homeowner on lot 15, stating their acceptance of the trail. Chariman Rudolph agreed and
mentioned an existing letter. All members voted in favor of the trail realignment with the attached amendments.
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NEW BUSINESS
ACQUISITION OF BERGIN PROPERTY
Director Vraa presented a brief introduction that included an exhibit showing location of the Bergin
property and the topography and potential acquisition boundaries. Vraa explained that a minimum of Y2 acre of the
property was identified for potential acquisition. Vraa also indicated that Bergin intends to sell his home and
invesitgate development options but now would entertain an offer from the City of Eagan. Vraa delineated that
commission action could be to either identify portions of the land to acquire and recommend the purchase to City
Council, or not pursue the acquisition.
Chairman Rudolph agreed with the parks vision, and expressed interest in obtaining a parcel of Bergin
land. Dorothy Peterson inquired if the purchase of 2 acres would be within the high water mark, and Vraa said it
would in fact be within the high water mark, plus allow for the trail loop connection. Vraa said that the trail could
be connected with a I-acre purchase, but a 2-acre purchase would allow greater flexibility.
Joseph Bari made a motion to purchase a minimum of one-half acre and maximum of two acres of Bergin
property, not to exceed a cost of $58,500, seconded by Cindee Fields. Terry Davis questioned why there was a
minimum of one-half acre under consideration, and Joesph Bari said it was due to the amount Mr. Bergin would sell.
All members voted in favor
SPONSORSHIP POLICY
This issue has been deferred to August, as noted on the agenda.
REVIEW OF STROLLER POLICY-CASCADE BAY
By request from the City Council after their special session, Director Vraa has asked the Advisory
Commission to review the policy prohibiting strollers into the Cascade Bay facility. The issue before the Advisory
Commission is to consider the best alternative for customer service; to compromise on the stroller issue, change the
policy and let strollers in, or to let the policy stand as is.
Chairman Rudolph stated he has read the policy, and stated it was clearly a safety issue, and follows
models of existing facilities. The policy was based on models from other cities, and suggested that the policy stand
for now, and possibly have staff revisit it in a year or two. Rudolph did not sense that it was feasible to change the
policy.
Dorothy Peterson mentioned that strollers were the most debated issue at Cascade Bay, and that customer
service is important. Vraa said there weren't many people trying to bring them in, and the policy is clearly stated,
distributed with the season pass. Terry Davis mentioned most people don't have a problem with the policy, in fact
few people ever bring it up. Davis is hesitant to spend a great deal of time on the issue, and suggests a workshop
might be in order to address this and other issues that have been tabled.
Cyndee Fields observed, from her experience as a patron of Cascade Bay, that there is no room for strollers
and become a safety issue. She suggested that strollers around the water areas could easily be knocked in the water
by running children. Davis stated that safety is an element of customer service. Joseph Bari made the motion to
keep the existing "no strollers" policy in place, Dorothy Peterson seconded, and all members affirmed.
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PARK AND RECREATION UPDATE
Parks Superintendent Paul Olson presented a status update regarding the impact of the recent storm to
Eagan parks. Olson presented a graphic from the National Weather Service showing the amount
of rainfall on the City of Eagan. lt indicates 11.3 inches fell in isolated areas of the city between July 7 and July 10,
2000. Olson presented photographs of some of the park damage, and photos of staff assisting with the cleanup effort.
He noted that few planed events had to be cancelled due to storm damage, save for events at Rahn Park. He
indicated that most of the damage occurred in the south and southwest portions of the city, but the extent of turf
damage was less than originally thought. According to the Utility Department, Blackhawk Lake will be the last to
come down, with Fish Lake and McCarthy Lake at Patrick Eagan Park also receding slowly.
Chairman Rudolph inquired where the funds would come from to repair some of the damage. Olson
indicated that FEMA representatives would be meeting with Dakota County, since Dakota County, not the City of
Eagan, was declared a disaster area. It is anticipated that FEMA will reimburse the City for such things as partial
payment of staff overtime, equipment, and contractual expenditures. The usual rate of reimbursement is 75-80%.
Superintendent of Recreation Jeff Asfahl reported recreation programs going well, that recreation staff
member Paula Norwariak reported 4,500-4,600 participants. The fall "Discover Us" brochure is to be mailed the
week of August 14th.
Asfahl reported that as the city looks toward fall, field use on the decline. He also noted that there have
been requests for non-traditional sports such as rugby and cricket.
Asfahl reported current events such as fall softball registrations, which have already yielded 30 participants
on the opening registration day, and Expressfest 2000, hosted by the Arts and Humanities Council on Saturday, July
29 at Patrick Eagan Park. Due to water impacts from the storm, the route of the "Fun Run" has been altered. Asfahl
noted Lone Oak Days 2000 would be held on September 15 and 16.
Asfahl also commended the park maintenance staff on their good jobs in the aftermath of the storm, saying
that 95% of activities resumed, and no games needed to be cancelled, save for those at Rahn Park.
WATER RESOURCES UPDATE
Water Resources Coordinator Eric Macbeth updated the status of the storm aftermath, saying that there is
more data to be collected on storm impacts over the next couple years, paying attention to additional nutrients
introduced into the system by the storm.
Macbeth mentioned a mutual aid agreement with Bloomington that will allow the City of Eagan use of a
weed harvester. Thomas Lake modulates flood impacts, and will have weeds harvested as regularly scheduled.
According to Macbeth, the other weed harvester is under contract as part of the regular maintenance program.
Macbeth also noted that the PCA has approved a plan to cap sediment at Captain Dodd Park. The goal is to
have this done before winter.
Macbeth introduced Jay Riggs, Urban Conservationist at the Dakota County Soil and Water Conservation
District. Riggs gave a brief presentation on the Low lmpact Development (LID) initiative, which recommends
alternative planning methods to allow for natural drainage and runoff collection.
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Chairman Rudolph requested to be updated on opportunities to keep updated on applications in the Eagan area, and
Riggs responded that thus far response has been good in communities, and hopes to set up some retrofit projects in
Eagan. Terry Davis also requested to be kept updated on LID program progress, and proposed that Macbeth and
Riggs work to develop recommendations for developers.
Macbeth presented the updated Water Resources Web page and demonstrated the features to the
commission. The page is located at www.cityofeagan.comlwater resources. He gave credit to Mike Sauers and
Theresa Poyers for their assistance.
OTHER BUSINESS
SUBCOMMITTEE UPDATE
Chairman Rudolph stated Joseph Beri, Jeff Asfahl, and Kathy Bolduc met Wednesday regarding the review
of the senior citizens survey. Minutes indicate that the focus of the meeting appeared to be how to start up the
group. Kathy Bolduc put together job descriptions. Rudolph was quite certain of the group's success. Minutes of
the meeting were given to the Advisory Commission.
Terry Davis wondered whether the group is sanctioned by the City, or if it is a sub-set. Asfahl indicated
that the group was a mechanism for the creation and development of programs. Director Vraa mentioned that it
would not be much different than, say, the softball committee.
Terry Davis mentioned that the Green Space Committee will meet with the City Council at a workshop to
encourage green space and decrease the amount of impervious surface. This proposition would be discussed at a
workshop on August 1. There is no formal agenda as of yet.
MOONSHINE PARK MEETING
Director Vraa stated that the next meeting would occur Thursday, August 3 at 5:00 p.m. Staff will notify
absent members about meeting.
At this time it was noted by Terry Davis that open issues have accumulated, and that some of these might
be best eliminated at a workshop. The open issues should be prioritized and addressed.
Dorothy Peterson inquired about the status of the ClP, and Director V raa says that it hasn't gone to the City Council
yet.
PARK SITE FUND UPDATE
Director Vraa said revenues were going very well.
ROUND TABLE
Director Vraa discussed the Community Center project, noting that 20 RFP's for architectural services have
been distributed and responses are expected around July 31. RFP's for master planning and construction
management will be sent soon. lnterviews for selected architectural firms will take place August 16 and 17,2000,
and interviews for master planners and construction managers will take place the next week. Final selection is
expected to take place September 1,2000.
Vraa also described the organizational method by which design needs will be delineated, as advised by the
City Council. Elements will be broken down into teams, such as seniors and teens. The
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challenge, according to Vraa, will be to tie it all in to one plan. The intent is to have groups of 5-7 people to help the
architect with their plan, and to keep it concise and focused.
Joseph Bari suggested the Advisory Commission to become involved with the process. Floyd Hiar asked if the
selection process for the architect emphasized green building techniques, and if that was a weighting factor in the
selection process. Vraa said it was part of the selection, as well as the firm's experience in community centers.
Vraa then discussed the departure of Kristi Organ, Manager of Cascade Bay. He informed the Commission that
Cherryl Mesko has been appointed as interim manager. Vraa explained that Mesko is familiar with the facility and
its procedures. Over the next couple weeks, Vraa will be talked to staff about their expectations. Vraa hopes to hire
a new manager in early fall.
Terry Davis asked if C.J. Lilly would send a questionnaire regarding the Moonshine Park program. Dorothy
Peterson said that the questionnaire needed to be redone. Peterson asked Vraa if rent at the cell tower at Rahn Park
could be used for recreation programs. Vraa said he would check on this matter.
Terry Davis moved to adjourn, all members agreed, meeting adjourned at 9:23 p.m.
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