05/14/2001 - Advisory Parks & Recreation Commission
Approved June 18.2001
ADVISORY PARKS COMMISSION
EAGAN, MINNESOTA
MINUTES OF REGULAR MEETING OF May 14,2001
A regular meeting of the Advisory Parks Commission was called to order at 7:02 p.m. on May 14,2001
with the following Commission Members present: John Rudolph, George Kubik, Joseph Bari, Terry Davis, N.
Mark Filipi, Dorothy Peterson, Margo Danner, Melvin Williams, and David Wright. Member Richard Pletcher was
absent Staff present include Ken Vraa, Director of Parks and Recreation; Jeff Asfahl, Superintendent of Recreation;
Paul Olson, Parks Superintendent; Eric Macbeth Water Resources Coordinator; C.J. Lilly, Parks Planner, Gregg
Hove, City Forester, and Beth Wielde, Research and Special Project serving as Acting Recording Secretary.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Chair John Rudolph moved to approve the agenda, Member Kubik seconded, with all in attendance voting
in favor to approve the agenda.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF April 16, 2001
Member Peterson moved to approve the minutes of the April 16,2001 regular meeting. Member Peterson
noted that in the "Round Table" discussion, the first paragraph needed to clarify that the skate park issue was being
discussed. Chair Rudolph noted a change on the second page under "Old Business." This should change to say
"attending members" (plural) as opposed to the singular "attending member."
Changes have been noted and corrections made 5-15-01.
VISITORS TO BE HEARD
There were no visitors who wished to address the Commission under this agenda item.
DEPARTMENT HAPPENINGS! SUPERINTENDENT'S UPDATE
Superintendent Paul Olson presented department happenings in the Parks division. Discussion included:
. Success of the spring tree sale
. Arbor Day celebration
. Spring fertilization program
. Dandelions, which are not classified as a noxious weed
. City Auction, May 19
. Community Services Open House, May 31
. Dakota County's adoption of the Lebanon Hills Master Plan
. Water Resources held a meeting regarding the Barely Straw project on May 10
. On May 29, there will be a public meeting at Mount Cavalry Church regarding Cedar Pond
. 2001 marks the 10th year of water quality monitoring
. The Dodd Road project, draining thereof, may impact the Holz Farm property
Member Peterson inquired about the City auction time and location. Olson responded that the auction would be
held at 10:00 at the Maintenance Facility. Member Peterson noted that the Friends of the Farm would be planting
barley this season, and could provide some straw.
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Member Danner asked how neighbors are notified of meetings, such as that for Cedar Pond. Water Resources
Coordinator Eric Macbeth stated that the City is capable of generating mailing lists for property owners in an
impacted area, and that mailings are sent.
Recreation Superintendent Jeff Asfahl discussed:
. The Discover Us brochure was recently mailed to Eagan residents
. Field conditions and level of use
. Friends of the Farm Clean-Up Day
. Friends of the Farm will be holding their Spring Festival on May 20
. Sports Program Supervisor Sonya Rippe has been working on a web site for Eagan teams. This can be
found at www.eteamz.comJeaganparksandrec
. SORR soccer program is underway
. Sand volleyball is a success
. Concessions trailer is gearing up for use
. Golf programs are underway
. Rec staff is currently undergoing the 2002 budgeting process
. The Fun Run was a success, with approximately 300 participants
. Seniors continue to meet on Wednesdays, and will be holding potlucks
. Field space currently available at Blue Cross/Blue Shield will be eliminated in the future due to the
business's expansion.
Member Davis asked when the Blue Cross/Blue Shield fields were expected to be unavailable for use. Parks
and Recreation director Ken Vraa said that this is projected for 2005. Member Danner inquired about possible
improvement opportunities to the signage at Holz Farm. Superintendent Asfahl said he could look in to it, Member
Peterson noted that this may be taken care of in the Master Plan.
CONSENT AGENDA
FOUR PAWS ADDITION/ VERDANT HILLS 3rd ADDITION
Director Vraa stated that the two proposals, Four Paws Addition and Verdant Hills 3rd Addition, had
undergone staff review. Both are consistent with the dedication policies. Staff recommends approval in a single
motion. Chair Rudolph moved to approve both items, Mark Filipi seconded, with all members voting in favor to
approve the consent agenda.
OLD BUSINESS
MOONSHINE PARK
Director Vraa gave a brief background on the Moonshine Park project. He noted that the Acquisitions and
Development subcommittee had met in late April and has a recommendation for a preferred plan. The City Council
had asked the APrC to recommend a preferred plan.
Parks planner c.J. Lilly noted that there were six concept plans reviewed. The Acquisitions and
Development subcommittee selected a preferred plan and developed potential costs. Originally there was $140,000
projected for the project cost. Lilly presented a new cost estimate, one that is merely an estimate, without plans and
specifications.
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Phase I Part I, Park Development
$20,000 for grading and site preparation
$57,000 for roadway, parking, and trails
$ 6,000 for turf and erosion control
$83,000 for Phase I, Part I
Phase I, Part II, Retreat Center
$60,000 for house renovation and improvements
$10,000 for septic tank and drain field
$20,000 for deck and patio/ ramp
$90,000 for Phase I, Part II
Phase I, Part III, Landscape/ Signage
$25.000 for landscaping and signage
$25,000 for Phase I, Part III
$198,000 for Phase I, parts I, II, and III
$ 30,000 (15% Contingency)
$228,000 TOTAL
Lilly noted the possibility of future improvements including security lighting, more parking, and a garage
conversion. He then presented the alternatives for Commission consideration.
George Kubik moved to approve the preferred plan, to recommend the plan to the City Council. Member
Davis seconded. Member Bari noted that the cost exceeds the $140,000 originally allocated, and noted that the
APrC should be prepared to say where the difference is coming from. Director Vraa noted that the funds could
come from the Park Site Fund. Income has exceeded expectations, and the CIP could be adjusted.
Member Peterson asked if the work could be done in phases. Director Vraa noted that there should be
ample funds, especially with other projects coming in under the projected cost. Chair Rudolph noted that as the CIP
changed, there was thought that it might be adjusted to meet unforeseen needs. Director Vraa noted that the
Moonshine Park project was relatively inexpensive compared to other projects.
Chair Rudolph called for the vote on Kubik's motion, and all present members voted affirmative for
recommending the preferred plan.
NEW BUSINESS
GRANDFATHER TREE PROJECT
Director Vraa introduced Kay Gustafson, representing the Eagan Foundation, who has been meeting with
staff regarding a tree-moving project on the Central Park site. Gustafson introduced other members of the Eagan
Foundation who were working on the project, including Barb Luck and Lee Markel. She briefly described the
Eagan Foundation, and how the Grandfather Tree project evolved. She discussed the historic significance of the
Lone Oak Tree to the City of Eagan. The Eagan Foundation came to the City with a request to find a tree as a
symbolic Lone Oak. Noted that Director Vraa helped locate such a tree. She also discussed the involvement of
local high school student in the tree project.
Gustafson describes the goal as trying to create a significant focal point as people enter the Central Park
site. She noted that it is a good promotional tool for the City of Eagan, especially since it would be the oldest and
largest tree ever moved in Minnesota. Gustafson then introduced City Forester Gregg Hove to describe the
technical process.
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Forester Hove described the process of moving such a large tree, using a "round ball" moving system, or
Gantry" method where a large ball of soil is cut around the root system. The tree and root ball are then hoisted onto
a truck and moved. Hove showed video describing such a process. He noted the City researched companies and
located two firms with high success rates for moving large trees. National Shade, which has a 100% success rate,
and Environmental Design, which has a 95% success rate. And the success rate is long-term as well.
Hove showed where the tree stands on the Central Park site, and where it will be moved. He mentioned the
site lines as one comes in to the park and sees the tree from all directions. He noted that the actual moving is about
a two-week process, one week just to prepare the root ball and another to do the actual move. The tree will be
oriented in the original direction. The goal is to change as little of its environment as possible.
Member Davis asked how long it would take to know if something were wrong with the tree. Hove said
the tree will be in "intensive care" and monitored closely according to a plan by the movers. There will be special
attention to root growth. There should be little crown growth for a while as the tree re-roots itself. Hove described
the ideal move time windows, and how the second one is rapidly approaching. Member Davis asked about the
contents of the post-move management plan. Hove responded that it includes fencing, and grading out to meet the
contours of the development. After the tree is moved, the tree is mulched and fenced beyond the root system.
Member Davis asked how they could tell what's happening underground. Hove said that he has consulted several
outside sources, including some at the University of Minnesota, about this issue. One of the methods suggested was
a "view box" to observe root growth.
Member David Wright inquired that although the percentages were good, is there any guarantee or
warranty in case the tree dies? Hove stated that Environmental Design has a matching caliper policy, where there
would be some trees given, although the size would not be the same. Hove notes, however, that a 95% success rate
is very good. Hove showed a marketing piece with the motto, "They said it couldn't be done. We do it every day."
Member Kubik noted the potential to share the process with other communities who may be interested in
this process. This move would be a precedent setter. Member Danner asked if there would be staff present at the
Fourth of July celebrations to answer questions and educate the public, and this would be a good opportunity to do
so. Hove agreed, and said that staff has discussed this possibility. Member Danner then asked about a timeline for
the project. Hove said that the next window of opportunity comes around May 30. He then brought Kay Gustafson
back to the podium.
Gustafson stated the difficulty of raising the funds in a short amount of time. She said that after all of the
work was done, it could end up costing $55,000. Thus far, the Eagan Foundation has raised a little over $20,000.
"Forever Green" funds were re-directed to this project. The Eagan Foundation intends to continue fundraising
efforts, but there are limitations on large scale funding such as grants. Grants take longer to process than the project
can afford. Gustafson mentioned two possible directions the City could take: one, donate a gift in-kind, or two, use
money from the Tree Mitigation Fund. She noted how important it was to leave something for future generations.
Member Peterson moved to use up to 30,000 from the Tree Mitigation Fund. Member Filipi seconded. All
present members voted to approve the motion.
Chair Rudolph commented on what a unique venture this was, and how it represents the City logo. He
expressed hope that the Council will embrace the APrC recommendation. Member Peterson commented that she
stated "up to $30,000" because she did not want to see fundraising efforts cease. Member Williams asked how
much was in the Tree Mitigation fund. Director Vraa stated there is approximately $117,000 in the fund. Member
Bari asked if there was anything else committed to the fund at this time, and Vraa said there are no encumbrances
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to the fund at this time. Member Wright asked how citizens could contact Gustafson about making donations.
Gustafson responded that they could contact the Eagan Foundation at 1960 Cliff Road. Eagan, Minnesota, 55122, or
call her at 651/454-6755.
WETLAND CONSERVATION APPEAL PROCESS
Water Resources Coordinator Eric Macbeth informed the APrC about the need for an appeals process for
Wetland Conservation Act decisions. The formal appeal will go to the state agency, but the City needs to review it
prior to the DNR. The City must address an appeal as a matter of public record. There is an appeal being filed at
this time, and staff needs direction on a process. The process needs to establish a hearing process and the public
record of events. The City's legal council has had input on the matter, saying it needs to go before the Council to
determine who will sit on such a board.
Chair Rudolph noted that the APrC was the likely body for this process, but asked Macbeth if there had
been any discussion about a smaller group of commissioners to serve as the board. Macbeth said that there has been
discussion, and noted that they don't expect to see many hearings. He mentioned that maybe 3-5 people could be
specifically educated on WCA to serve as "ad hoc" experts, perhaps bring in some outside assistance.
Member Filipi said the APrC might be biased toward wetland conservation. He commented that maybe an
unbiased group would better serve the purposes of overseeing an appeal. Macbeth stated that the hearings would
have to be handled as a legal proceeding. Needs to be recorded and have minutes taken. Member Filipi said that
other cities have used an outside adjudicator, and maybe this precedent is something the City would look in to.
Chair Rudolph stated that it might best be handled within the realm of the APrC first. He asked Macbeth to keep
the APrC informed on progress. This item was for informational purposes only, no action was requested.
WATER RESOURCES UPDATE
Water Resources Coordinator Eric Macbeth updated the APrC on several happenings in the Water Quality
division, including:
. Fish
The City is in the process of coordinating the 2001 Fishing Guide
The City is working with the DNR to stock fish in several Eagan lakes.
. Plants
Experimental herbicide will be applied on 2 lakes for the second year in a row for the
Curly leaf Pond weed Aquafall study.
. Birds
A citizen recently reported several dead water birds at City Pond AP-4. Investigation by
City staff revealed a total kill of 29 ducks and 1 goose. The specimens are at the DNR
pathology labs for testing.
. Wetlands
The recent Supreme Court decision regarding wetlands states that any wetland isolated
from navigable waters is not under the Corps jurisdiction.
Macbeth will be attending a meeting for evaluation of wetland policy, after which the
City can use wetland banking credits.
Member Bari asked if the duck and goose bodies were found in one portion of the water. Macbeth said
they were randomly scattered through the site. Chair Rudolph asked how long it would be before the pathology
report would be ready. Macbeth hoped it would be within the week. He noted that lead poisoning had been ruled
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out. Member Peterson asked if there had been additional bird kills on the site. Macbeth said that none had been
found, and there are plenty of live water birds existing on the site.
OTHER BUSINESS AND REPORTS
SUBCOMMITTEE/ NORTH PARK
Director Vraa introduced the North Park issue. He gave a background into the Council's desire to sell the
property to fund infrastructure improvements. He then turned it over to Chair Rudolph to discuss the
su bcommittee' s recommendation.
Chair Rudolph noted the APrC's charge to protect open space and parkland, and feels that after all the
work that was done on North Park, selling it would be unsettling. He stated his understanding of the Council's
position, seeing the property as a revenue generator, but finds it difficult to accept. He is disinclined to give up all
the work done on the park.
Member Peterson discussed the loss of fields at Blue Cross/Blue Shield, despite rising participation in
youth sports and need for field space. Youth athletic leaders are projecting growth in several sporting events. The
City needs to think of North Park as a possibility to alleviate the field space issue and provide for newer sports such
as lacrosse and cricket. Peterson feels strongly that North Park is needed. She expressed understanding for the
financial need for infrastructure, but is thinking of the broader picture.
Member Filipi stated that to let North Park go would be negligent, especially as vacant land is becoming
scarce in Eagan. Member Davis asked if there was any land that could replace North Park should a sale go through.
He noted that the loss of Blue Cross/ Blue Shield would add to the need for field space. He noted that if the
property were sold, development would only compound the runoff problem the Commission has been working so
hard to reduce. He noted that the acreage was acquired at no cost to the City; it was a tax forfeiture property. He
asked if there was any estimation of the property value, and how much would go toward sewer enhancement.
Davis noted that people have commented that if there is no money for infrastructure, why is the City
building a Community Center? Davis feels that the City would be remiss to sell the parkland and not use the space
for its original intent. Member Peterson, with respect to the Council, noted that the sale of North Park does not sit
well, given the unknown variables of the actual cost to fix the infrastructure and how much is in the Storm Sewer
Fund. Chair Rudolph stated that the subcommittee recommends the park stay as it was originally intended, and that
it is essential that these opinions be voiced.
Member Bari inquired about potential alternative revenue sources. Member Peterson noted some grant
opportunities, FEMA, the State of Minnesota, and the ability to research other funding sources. Member Williams
stated that it might benefit the Commission to enter into a dialogue with the Council to express these concerns.
Member Davis noted that this was a good point, and that they would sit down at the Joint Council! Commission
meeting and discuss the matter, and this would demonstrate willingness to work with the Council.
Chair Rudolph said that the intent of the statement was in the memo, and that the Commission needs to
take a position. Member Kubik noted that once the parkland is sold, it's gone forever. He argues that the sewer
system is important, but it is renewable in a way that park resources are not.
Member Bari motioned that the recommendation from the APrC is to not sell the park, and work with
Council regarding alternative revenue sources for the infrastructure improvements. Member Davis seconded, with
all present members voting in favor.
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PARK SITE FUND QUARTERLY REVIEW
Parks Superintendent Paul Olson updated the Commission on the status of the Park Site Fund. On January
ISr, there was a balance of $2, 159, 861. As of April 40, there was a revenue of $187,964, including rentals, leases,
and park dedication fees. There was an expenditure of $9,519 for the Moonshine Park project and a 2000 carryover
of the Mallard Trail project. Thus the balance is $2,338,303, $118,000 over estimates, and well ahead of
expectations.
Member Bari asked if this included interest, about $75,000. Director Vraa stated it was not including
interest, but is confident that with the interest the numbers will grow.
2002 BUDGET
Director Vraa noted that the 2001 budget books were distributed to the Commission at the beginning of the
meeting. He also informed the APrC that the 2002 budget process was underway in the department. He noted a
change in the way the Civic Arena budget would be handled. Due to the activity cycle of the arena, its budget year
will be a September to August cycle. Director Vraa invited ideas from the APrC regarding the budget over the next
couple of weeks. Ideas can be directed to him.
ROUND TABLE
Chair Rudolph mentioned the change in dates for the joint Council!Commission meeting. He inquired if
there was any update on the time. Director Vraa stated that the May 22 meeting would follow a meeting between
the Council and the Community Center architects. The estimated time is 5:30 for the start. Vraa asked the
Commissioners to arrive at the meeting around 6: 15 for a 6:30 start to the Parks Commission portion. Staff will
contact Commissioners on Wednesday with a more concrete time. The APrC then discussed the items on the
agenda for this meeting, including:
North Park
Moonshine Park
OLDAs
Skateboard Parks
Golf Course
Chair Rudolph stated that for new members, this is a good opportunity for a Council and Commission
dialogue on some of the important issues.
Member Davis inquired about the status of the North Park bill in the Minnesota Legislature. Director Vraa
noted that Researcher Wielde would track this, that the current action is not yet known.
Chair Rudolph expressed congratulations to City Administrator Tom Hedges, and noted the celebration in
his honor that would take place at 3:00 on May 15, on the lawn of the Municipal Center.
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ADJOURNMENT
Member Kubik moved to adjourn, Chair Rudolph seconded, with all members voting in favor to adjourn at
9:11 pm.
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