11/18/2002 - Advisory Parks & Recreation Commission
Approved December 16.2002
ADVISORY PARKS COMMISSION
EAGAN, MINNESOTA
MINUTES OF REGULAR MEETING OF NOVEMBER 18,2002
A regular meeting of the Advisory Parks Commission was called to order at 7:00 p.m. on November 18,
2002 with the following Commission Members present: Joseph Bari, Phil Belfiori, Margo Danner, N. Mark Filipi,
Elizabeth Perry, Dorothy Peterson, Richard Pletcher, John Rudolph, and Melvin Williams. Commission Member
Davis was not present. Staff present included Ken Vraa, Director of Parks and Recreation; Jeff Asfahl,
Superintendent of Recreation; Paul Olson, Parks Superintendent; Eric Macbeth, Water Resources Coodinator; Gregg
Hove, Forestry Supervisor; Beth Wielde, Research and Special Projects; and Cherryl Mesko, Recording Secretary.
Mayor Elect Geagan was recognized and welcomed to the meeting.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Consent Agenda F-l; Zehnder Ponds Addition was pulled from the agenda. Under New Business,
Recognition of Eagan Core Greenway/Resolution was added as Item 1. N Mark Filipi moved, Dorothy Peterson
seconded with all members voting in favor to accept the agenda as amended.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF OCTOBER 14, 2002
John Rudolph moved, Elizabeth Perry seconded with all members voting in favor to accept the minutes of
the October 14, 2002 meeting as presented.
VISITORS TO BE HEARD
There were no visitors who wished to address the Commission under this agenda item.
SUPERINTENDENT'S UPDATE AND DEPARTMENT HAPPENINGS
Superintendents Asfahl and Olson highlighted several items of interest pertaining to the Recreation and
Parks Division respectively. Superintendent Olson also noted that although there has been verbal confirmation to
individuals, the City of Eagan has not received formal notification from the DNR that the Metro Greenways
Planning Grant has been awarded to the City of Eagan.
CONSENT AGENDA
There were no consent agenda items for the Commission to discuss.
DEVELOPMENTPROPOS~LS
There were no development proposals for the Commission to discuss.
OLD BUSINESS
GIFT OF MARY UPDATE
Water Resources Coordinator Macbeth noted that at a recent technical meeting all condition relating to
wetlands issues have been met. He added that the wetland impacts have been reduced 60% from the original
proposal.
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CEDAR VILLAS PARKLAND DEDICATION CREDIT
Director Vraa introduced this item and noted that the Commission previously reviewed this development
proposal and recommended a cash park dedication. The developer is now requesting that a partial reduction in those
fees be considered because of the park amenities included within the development.
Jay Jensen, Senior Vice President for Shelter Corporation explained that all the amenities proposed in their
portion of the development will be available to residents in both the Shelter development and adjoining CDA
development. The Shelter development is proposed to begin early 2003 followed by the CDA 6 to 8 months later.
The Shelter Corporation is hoping to get a park dedication reduction based on the amenities identified, Jensen
concluded.
Member Peterson asked if Dakota County would be subject to a dedication requirement for the CDA
development. Director Vraa responded that they would. Member Rudolph asked the developer how the amenities
would justify a reduction in fees. Mr. Jensen responded that they would cover all ages that might be included within
these developments. Member Peterson noted that if a land dedication had been required for this development it
probably would have been met with the square footage being proposed by the developer for park amenities, however
did not support a reduction in the park dedication fee as was requested. Member Bari concurred that the amenities
being proposed did not sufficiently equate to a reduction in the dedication fee. Member Rudolph added that the
Commission has seen similar proposals with similar amenities and have not reduced the park dedication
requirements. Member Perry opined that the amenities being proposed with this development are necessary as a
marketing tool for the developer rather than a part of park amenities for the community and could not support
reducing the fee. Member Danner stated that although this development, in conjunction with the CDA, would be a
good option for the community, she did not support the reduction of the approximate $55,000 park dedication fee.
After further brief discussion, Dorothy Peterson moved, John Rudolph seconded with all members voting
in favor to deny the request for a reduction in park dedication fees for the Cedar Villas development.
DRAFT BANDSHELL POLICY
Superintendent Asfahl provided a brief background regarding the need to begin policy discussions that
would pertain to the use of the Bandshelllocated within Central Park particularly regarding the close proximity to
the community center. The policy would be designed to allow the most beneficial use of this venue and to manage
its permitted use. Superintendent Asfahl then reviewed the draft rental policy considerations.
Questions asked by the Advisory Commission included who will enforce and regulate the rules, who will
staff this site, is there a priority of use, will residents living nearby the Bandshell be notified of events, and what
criteria will be used to review allowable music/entertainment. Superintendent Asfahl responded that many of the
operational policies had not been determined to date. He did add that it is being proposed that priority scheduling
for this amenity would be 1) Parks and Recreation, 2) entertainment for the benefit of the community and 3) groups
for gain.
Member Rudolph noted that the Advisory Commission has reviewed draft policies in the past and know
that they are fluid documents reviewed periodically by the Commission. Rudolph asked if staff is comfortable with
the draft policy being presented. Superintendent Asfahl responded that this draft is a starting point and that
additional issues can be addressed as they arise. Member Peterson suggested that the Recreation Subcommittee
meet to discuss this policy in greater detail. Member Danner asked if the community center staff scheduling the
Bandshell could weigh the need to charge fees for this venue versus the benefit to the community.
Given the number of questions from the Advisory Commission, John Rudolph moved, Elizabeth Perry
seconded a motion with all members voting in favor to defer the review of the draft policy to the December 16
meeting following further review by the Recreation Subcommittee.
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Ed Finley, 3520 Widgeon Way addressed the Commission and asked when public input would be solicited
regarding the Bandshell policy. Director Vraa responded that there is no written legal notice of a public hearing for
policy issues like this but input is always welcome. Vraa suggested that Mr. Finley contact staff or the Commission
with his suggestions. Mr. Finley noted that he had several suggestions and comments and would send them to
Superintendent Asfahl.
NEW BUSINESS
RECOGNITION OF EAGAN CORE GREENW A YIRESOLUTION
Commission Member Danner introduced Laura Hedlund, Chair of the Dakota County Parks Commission.
Ms. Hedlund addressed the Commission to speak to the importance of recognizing the Eagan Core Greenway. She
noted the importance of preserving natural areas and open spaces and commented on the value that Patrick Eagan
Park has played in her family's enjoyment. She opined that the Eagan Core Greenway is a huge opportunity to
connect Lebanon Hills Regional Park to significant natural open spaces in Eagan and strongly urged the
Commission to pass the resolution being presented to them. She added that the Commission should speak as one
voice and take action now to preserve this greenway.
Susan Gauer representing Friends for Patrick Eagan Park addressed the Commission and asked them to
adopt a resolution that recognizes and celebrates the Eagan Core Greenway and its significance, to open discussions
to secure the preservation of the greenway and specifically identified parcels of land and to identify appropriate
partners to assist with the acquisition of the identified land as it becomes available. Member Danner then asked the
Commission for their input.
Member Bari asked if the Commission was being asked to pass the Resolution or recommend action to the
City Council. Member Peterson suggested that moving this forward to the City Council may be premature given the
fact that there has not been research into funding sources to acquire property, or consideration of the impact this
would have by taking property off the tax roles. Member Danner stated that the Commission is simply being asked
to recognize that there is an Eagan Core Greenway, which would give the group leverage to move forward in
looking at potential partners for this venture.
Member Bari suggested that the Commission could approve the recognition of the Eagan Core Greenway
and not address items Band C on the Resolution at this time. Member Peterson opined that it was inappropriate for
the Commission to be involved in identifying specific parcels of land for acquisition. Member Pletcher felt that the
Commission had already recognized the Eagan Core Greenway. Member Rudolph noted that that may have been
done informally, but that this is a request to formalize that support. Member Williams expressed concern that Items
A, Band C were much too specific and that the Commission should not be taking action on them at this point.
Member Danner reiterated that the Friends of Patrick Eagan Park have worked diligently to provide terminology that
they feel best represents the intent of the Resolution so that they can move forward to preserve the Eagan Core
Greenway.
After further discussion Elizabeth Perry moved and Dorothy Peterson seconded a motion that the City of
Eagan's Advisory Parks Commission recommend that the City Council:
A. Recognize the Eagan Core Greenway, acknowledging its significance to the community as well as to
the environment and
B. Request that the City open discussions to secure the preservation of the greenway, with attention to the
remaining parcels of land in proximity to Patrick Eagan Park and
C. That Eagan would like to identify appropriate partners to assist with the acquisition of this land for the
Eagan Core Greenway, as it becomes available.
As a point of clarification, Member Perry added that the map that was submitted with the City's grant
request to the DNR should be used as an exhibit to accompany the Resolution to provide consistency with what is
being identified as the Eagan Core Greenway and surrounding parcels.
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After further brief discussion the motion was called. Those voting Aye included Joseph Bari, Phil Belfiori,
Margo Danner, N. Mark Filipi, Elizabeth Perry, Dorothy Peterson, Richard Pletcher and John Rudolph. Melvin
Williams voted Nay. The motion passed
SECURITY LIGHT - WESCOTT COMMONS
Superintendent Olson noted that staff received a request from the on-site resident manager at Wescott Hills
apartment complex to install a single security light in Wescott Commons Park. He added that when the park was
originally developed the existing management did not feel the need for a security light in this location because of the
potential spill light. Olson stated that Dakota Electric estimated the cost for a security light would be $2000 and
suggested that it could be funded by the Park Site Fund.
After a brief discussion, John Rudolph moved, Joseph Bari seconded with all members voting in favor to
approve the installation of a standard park security light in Wescott Commons Park.
2003 PARKS AND TRAILS DEDICATION FEES
Researcher Wielde noted that the Commission annually reviews parks and trails dedication fees for the
subsequent year. The City of Blaine's parks and trail dedication fee survey of other communities was used to help
calculate the Metro Sample Average for study purposes. Given the limited future funds that will be generated
through parks and trails dedication fees, Wielde reviewed several options for the Commission to consider. Director
Vraa noted that water quality fees are also tied to values established for parks and trails dedication fees and that the
Commission is being asked to take action on a change in excavation fees proposed for 2003.
Member Peterson suggested a 5% increase across the board for parks and trails dedication fees and asked
staff if there was a means to ensure that property values were appropriately calculated to ensure consistency.
Member Perry suggested that a 5% increase annually should be considered in looking at future rates.
Following further brief discussion, Dorothy Peterson moved, Elizabeth Perry seconded with all members
voting in favor to recommend to the City Council that the parks and trails dedication fees be increased by 5% for all
categories for 2003 and to increase the 2003 excavation rate to $4.50 per yard.
2003 FEES AND CHARGES
Superintendent Asfahl explained that the Commission annually reviews fees and charges for the subsequent
year and makes a recommendation to the City Council for inclusion in the overall fee structure. He noted that fees
have not generally changed since 1997 and suggested that the fee schedule be increased by 10% across the board.
This fee structure took into account the addition of the Central Park Pavilion, Central Park Bandshell and
Moonshine Park. It also took into account the City Council's direction to increase revenue opportunities at the
tubing facilities.
Questions were asked regarding the fee change for tubing at Trapp Farm Park and Central Park. Member
Danner asked how many people would be able to be on the tubing hill at one time and if there would be a profit
from the fees being charged. Superintendent Asfahl responded that approximately 80 people could be
accommodated at one time and that the revenue would offset some of the costs for this community amenity but
would not make a profit. Member Danner asked if people have complained about the rates. Superintendent Asfahl
responded that some people have expressed their disappointment with a fee.
Member Perry noticed that there was no fee identified for canoe storage racks that were authorized to be
placed at Moonshine Park. Superintendent Asfahl apologized for the oversight and indicated he would bring that fee
proposal to the Commission at their December 16 meeting.
After further brief discussion, John Rudolph moved, Dorothy Peterson seconded with all members voting
in favor to recommend to the City Council the 2003 fee schedule as outlined.
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WATER RESOURCES UPDATE
Water Resources Coordinator Macbeth reported on a recent conference in Alaska, the City Council's
approval to proceed with Pond JP-47 and to pursue additional wetland banking, the Shoreland grant pertaining to
Moonshine Park and the need to comply with Federal government requirements regarding the stormwater
management plan.
OTHER BUSINESS AND REPORTS
SHADE TREE DISEASE PROGRAM
Forestry Supervisor Hove introduced this item and provided a brief overview of the City's shade tree
disease program, satellite imaging used to identify oak wilt, buckthorn removal program, major landscaping projects
at Central Park and the Cedar redevelopment project and an update on the Grandfather Tree. Following the updates,
Supervisor Hove introduced Tree Inspector Keith Kassidy who provided a very in-depth report of both the Oak Wilt
and Dutch Elm programs within the City of Eagan. He noted that although there were less trees marked for removal
in 2002 than in 200 I, the number of Oak Wilt infected sites increased in 2002. He reviewed in great detail the
methods that staff uses to identify and work to mitigate the spread of these diseases.
Several questions were answered regarding the buckthorn removal program, which has been very
successful. Staff also noted that the website helps people who are unsure of what to look for and how they can get
answers to their questions about any of the problems identified. The Commission thanked the Forestry staff for the
great job they do and for keeping them up to date.
PARKS DEDICATION FUND UPDATE
Superintendent Olson provided an update of the overall financial status of the Park Site Fund. He reviewed
the fund balance as of January 1, 2002, the actual revenues and expenditures as of November 1, 2002, which
indicates an estimated fund balance of $3,032,410. Superintendent Olson cautioned that the balance does not reflect
projects that are in progress, or will begin as part of the 2002 CIP expenditures. The status of projects proposed for
2002 was reviewed along with the approximate percentage of completion.
Member Danner asked how much money is included in small projects. Superintendent Olson responded
that it is approximately $20,000 per year. The security light at Wescott Commons Park and the canoe rack are
examples of items that typically come out of the small projects portion of the CIP, Olson added.
THOMAS WOODS TRAIL UPDATE
Director Vraa stated that a letter was sent to the developer regarding this trail and that they have indicated
they will be installing the trail as directed.
SUBCOMMITTEE UPDATES
There were no subcommittee updates.
COMMUNITY CENTER UPDATE
Director Vraa indicated that the Building Engineer had been hired and will hopefully start work in two
weeks, and the Rental Coordinator and Fitness Coordinator positions are currently being advertised. He added that
the building is moving along very well, the Bandshell is nearing completion as is the wellhouse/pavilion building.
Operations are being set up and staff is looking at the budget. Director Vraa noted that staff is sill looking at phased
soft openings to begin in April 2003.
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Member Danner asked if the banquet room reservations are moving forward. Director Vraa responded that
they are being booked quite regularly. Member Danner asked if the site would be ready for the 4th of July event.
Director Vraa responded that grading may be done this fall but due to the wet weather conditions this year the
seeding won't be done until spring 2003.
COMMISSION MEMBERS TERM EXPIRATION
Director Vraa reminded Commission Members Belfiori, Davis, and Peterson that their terms expire and if
they wish to re-apply they need to do so in December. Vraa also noted that Member Rudolph's term also expires
but he has reached his term limit set by the City Council and will not be eligible for re-appointment.
COMMUNICA TIONS
An e-mail was shared with the Commission complimenting Forestry staff for their efforts in working with a
resident regarding removal of buckthorn.
ROUND TABLE
Member Peterson suggested that staff look at incorporating the bicycle trail map signage at Silver Bell and
Highway 13 once the Cedar redevelopment project is completed. She noted that this location was originally
designated for this particular signage.
Director Vraa added that nine firms have picked up the RFP for the Holz Farm Master Plan. Staff will
work with Member Peterson as the Commission's liaison for the review and interview process.
ADJOURNMENT
With no further business to conduct John Rudolph moved, Elizabeth Perry seconded with all members
voting in favor to adjourn the meeting. The meeting was adjourned at 10:00 p.m.
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