06/17/2002 - Advisory Parks & Recreation Commission
Approved July 17.2002
ADVISORY PARKS COMMISSION
EAGAN, MINNESOTA
MINUTES OF REGULAR MEETING OF JUNE 17,2002
A regular meeting of the Advisory Parks Commission was called to order at 7 :00 p.m. on June 17, 2002
with the following Commission Members present: Joseph Bari, Phil Belfiori, Margo Danner, Terry Davis, N. Mark
Filipi, Elizabeth Perry, Dorothy Peterson, and John Rudolph. Commission members Pletcher and Williams were not
present. Staff present included Ken Vraa, Director of Parks and Recreation; Jeff Asfahl, Superintendent of
Recreation; Paul Olson, Parks Superintendent; Eric Macbeth, Water Resources Coordinator; CJ Lilly, Parks Planner;
Beth Wielde, Research and Special Projects; Holly Champlin, Preschool Program Coordinator; Sonya Rippe, Sports
Program Supervisor and Cherryl Mesko, Recording Secretary.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Terry Davis moved, Joseph Bari seconded with all members voting in favor t accept the agenda as
presented.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF MAY 20, 2002
Dorothy Peterson moved, John Rudolph seconded with all members voting in favor to accept the minutes
of the May 20,2002 meeting as presented.
VISITORS TO BE HEARD
Jack Conrad addressed the Commission on behalf of the Friends of Patrick Eagan Park. He noted that the
group is a non-profit citizens' organization dedicated to the preservation of Eagan's expansive and environmentally
sensitive green space. Mr. Conrad distributed and reviewed the group's mission statement and focused on their goal
of educating and encouraging citizens of the importance of establishing the Eagan Core Greenway. Specific areas
were identified that might make up this greenway connecting to the northern border of Lebanon Hills Regional Park.
Mr. Conrad suggested that Eagan has the opportunity to be a model to other communities for preserving valuable
green space. He also noted that the properties provide an opportunity for public/private partnerships and identified
several potential partners that might be interested in helping to preserve this greenway.
Mr. Conrad noted that the group wanted a more dedicated focus to preserving property. They have asked
the City Council to conduct a local open space survey and consider holding the first option to buy Patrick
McCarthy's property so that it can be incorporated into the greenway. They hope to work cooperatively with the
City and other partners to preserve the properties identified in the Eagan Core Greenway.
Commission Members thanked Mr. Conrad for the passion the group has shown to preserve some of the
remaining open space that still exists in the city. As a point of clarification, Mr. Conrad was asked if this group was
separate from the PEPCE group or if they are the same. Mr. Conrad responded that although they share very similar
ideas the groups are quite separate. Commission Members asked Mr. Conrad to keep them updated on the status of
the survey and their efforts to preserve open space.
SUPERINTENDENT'S UPDATE AND DEPARTMENT HAPPENINGS
Items highlighted by Superintendent of Recreation Asfahl included updates on summer softball and fall
adult sports, Evenings in the Park, Golden Gaitors Walking Club, preview weekend for Cascade Bay, youth sports
tournaments, the joint development of a teen booklet, summer staff training, the beginning of summer park
programs, an open house for summer program participants and the circus recently held in the Civic Arena..
Items highlighted by Superintendent of Parks Olson included the status of the DNR Metro Greenways
program grant application, the establishment of a BMX bike area in Pilot Knob Park, the one-year anniversary of the
grandfather oak, the first phase of installing the new skate park at Lexington Diffley, remodeling of the Moonshine
Park house, resolution of environmental impacts at North Park, and storm mitigation work within parks.
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PROGRAM UPDATE - SONY A RIPPE, SPORTS PROGRAM SUPERVISOR
Sports Program Supervisor Rippe provided a very in-depth presentation of the adult sports and concessions
programs from September, 2001 through June 2002. She included a review of programs offered during the fall,
winter and summer and included programs being offered in the fall of2002. Her presentation touched on the
numbers of participants over the past year as well as the inclusion of the concessions trailer into the already existing
concessions operation at athletic facilities.
PROGRAM UPDATE - HOLLY CHAMPLIN, PRESCHOOL PROGRAM COORDINATOR
Preschool Program Coordinator Champlin shared the extensive pre-school program offerings by providing
a background of programs, how they've grown and the specific programs that are available for participants. She
reviewed several highlights covering fall 2001, winter, spring and summer 2002 and shared fall program offerings.
The planning and implementation of the mobile puppet wagon, which has become the responsibility of Champlin's
position was also described. Coordinator Champlin concluded her presentation with an overview of growth and
changes for the future. .
CONSENT AGENDA
Dorothy Peterson moved, N. Mark Filipi seconded with all members voting in favor to make the following
recommendations to the City Council:
1. Anchor Bank
~ This proposal will be responsible for a cash dedication in lieu ofponding.
2. Thorpe Woodland Gardens 2nd Add - Tilsen Homes, Inc.
~ This proposal will be responsible for a cash parks dedication.
~ This proposal will be responsible for a cash trails dedication.
~ This proposal will be responsible for a cash dedication in lieu of ponding.
~ Tree Protective measures (i.e. orange colored silt fence or 4 foot polyethylene laminate safety
netting) shall be installed at the Drip Line or at the perimeter of the Critical Root Zone,
whichever is greater, of significant trees/woodlands to be preserved on-site.
~ The applicant shall contact the City Forestry Division and set up a pre-construction site
inspection at least five days prior to the issuance of the grading permit to ensure compliance
with the approved Tree Preservation Plan and placement of the Tree Protection Fencing.
3. Waters Edge - McDonald Construction
~ This proposal will be responsible for a cash parks dedication.
~ This proposal will be responsible for a cash trails dedication.
~ This proposal will be responsible for a cash dedication in lieu ofponding.
~ An Individual Lot Tree Preservation Plan will be required for Lot 11 at the time of building
permit application.
~ Tree Protective measures (i.e. orange colored silt fence or 4 foot polyethylene laminate safety
netting) shall be installed at the Drip Line or at the perimeter of the Critical Root Zone,
whichever is greater, of significant trees/woodlands to be preserved on-site.
~ The applicant shall contact the City Forestry Division and set up a pre-construction site
inspection at least five days prior to the issuance of the grading permit to ensure compliance
with the approved Tree Preservation Plan and placement of the Tree Protection Fencing.
4. Eagan Heights Townhomes 3rd Addition - Diedrich Builders, Inc.
~ This proposal will be responsible for a cash parks dedication.
~ This proposal will be responsible for a cash trails dedication.
~ This proposal will be responsible for a cash dedication in lieu ofponding.
~ The applicant will fulfill tree preservation mitigation through the installation of eighteen (18)
Category B trees.
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~ Tree Protective measures (i.e. orange colored silt fence or 4 foot polyethylene laminate safety
netting) saIl be installed at the Drip Line or at the perimeter of the Critical Root Zone,
whichever is greater, of significant trees/woodlands to be preserved on-site.
~ The applicant shall contact the City Forestry Division and set up a pre-construction site
inspection at least five days prior to the issuance of the grading permit to ensure compliance
with the approved Tree Preservation Plan and placement of the Tree Protection Fencing.
5. Grayhawk Townhomes - Mark Gergen & Assoc.
~ This proposal will be responsible for a cash parks dedication.
~ This proposal will be responsible for a cash trails dedication.
~ This proposal will be responsible for a cash dedication in lieu of ponding.
~ The applicant will fulfill tree preservation mitigation through the installation of twenty-one
(21) Category A trees.
~ A revised Tree Mitigation Plan will need to be submitted addressing the following
recommendations:
1. Place tree mitigation trees in more "natural" areas, (around ponds or along external
property lines) while reserving "plantable" areas along roads and between buildings
for landscape requirement trees.
2. Don't use coniferous trees (spruce or pine) near buildings, vehicle intersections, and
trails. These trees will grow to a mature width, at the base, resulting in sight line
and/or physical space problems.
3. Indicate on the Tree Mitigation Plan (and the Landscape Plan) which tree species,
and their caliper, will be utilized. The submitted plan indicates only that coniferous
trees and deciduous trees will be installed.
~ Acknowledge that the applicant will preserve tree #45 by transplanting it to an area near the
west pond.
~ Tree Protective measures (i.e. orange colored silt fence or 4 foot polyethylene laminate safety
netting) saIl be installed at the Drip Line or at the perimeter of the Critical Root Zone,
whichever is greater, of significant trees/woodlands to be preserved on-site.
~ The applicant shall contact the City Forestry Division and set up a pre-construction site
inspection at least five days prior to the issuance of the grading permit to ensure compliance
with the approved Tree Preservation Plan and placement of the Tree Protection Fencing.
DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
There were no development proposals for the Commission to review.
OLD BUSINESS
GIFT OF MARY WATER QUALITYIWETLANDS UPDATE
Water Resources Coordinator Macbeth explained that during the May Advisory Commission's review of
the Gift of Mary's Children proposal, a question arose regarding the public comment period for Wetland
Conservation Act administration when it coincides with the plat review process. The main issue was whether the
City could go forward with the plat review process before the WCA public comment period is complete. Macbeth
reviewed the information provided by the City Attorneys, whose opinion is that they are independent processes and
can run separately. Macbeth followed up by reviewing the timeline anticipated for the concurrent review of this
project.
It was noted that there have been some changes to the plan reviewed in May. The plan initially did not
include a frontage road on the southern portion of the site. The change in the plan requires the school location to
move to allow for the road, will impact the wetlands to the southwest and will not be able to be mitigated on site.
Macbeth then reviewed the circumstances under which a new application would need to be submitted. Coordinator
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Macbeth discussed the value of the TEP (Technical Evaluation Panel) review on June 3 in providing an analytical
review of the complex water quality/wetland issues pertaining to this development. Macbeth continued that once all
the information is compiled, the City will be required to review the TEP recommendations as part of their final
development review. It was noted that there may be changes in the plan submitted prior to the Council's next
review, however, staff has not seen anything to date.
Member Peterson asked if the applicant would need to start the review process over if changes are made to
the plat. Macbeth responded that was an option although they might simply consider a different footprint that would
not impact the wetlands to the southwest.
COVINGTON TOWN OFFICE PARK
Commission Member Rudolph reminded the Commission that they had deferred the review of this
development proposal pending receipt offurther tree mitigation information. Director Vraa noted that the developer
has indicated that they intend to withdraw this item from the June 18 City Council meeting, however written
notification has not been received. Director Vraa explained that the Advisory Commission should make a formal
recommendation for this development should the developer choose to continue through the process with the City
Council on June 18.
Following a brief discussion, John Rudolph moved, Joseph Bari seconded a motion to deny this proposal
until further information on tree mitigation is received.
NEW BUSINESS
CANOE RENTAL SURVEY REPORT
Director Vraa introduced this item noting that that during the master planning process for Moonshine Park,
an area was identified for canoe racks. This led to several questions about whether or not programming canoe-
related activities should be pursued. Vraa noted that a brief survey was sent statewide to determine which
municipalities offer such services.
Researcher Wielde provided an overview of the survey that was conducted including the cities that
responded to the survey and how many of them offered canoe rental and/or storage. It was noted that the vast
majority (91 %) did not offer canoe services. Wielde then reviewed the communities offering canoe services and
shared their fee structures and operation. Following her presentation, she provided several alternatives for the
Commission to consider.
Member Rudolph reminded the Commission that they have moved forward with new park amenities on a
trial basis to see how the public responds to them and suggested the same approach for canoes at Moonshine Park.
Member Filipi suggested checking with the State park system for their rates and also to see what liability issues
there might be with this venture. Researcher Wielde noted that she would follow-up with the LMCIT regarding
insurance.
Several options were suggested by Commission Members including providing a rack for storage and/or
work with a private vendor to supply rental canoes, offer canoeing when there in a reservation at Moonshine Park, or
discontinue the study but add this to alternative funding discussion, .
Following further brief discussion, Dorothy Peterson moved, Terry Davis seconded with all members
voting in favor to continue the study on canoe rentallstorage/lifejacketlliability to be incorporated into later
discussions.
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WATER RESOURCES UPDATE
Water Resources Coordinator Macbeth invited anyone interested to a brown bag lunch and presentation by
the University of Minnesota on June 20. He added that the 2002 fishing guide is being distributed and that weed
harvesting is currently underway at Fish Lake.
Member Rudolph asked if any of the area lakes had been stocked. Macbeth responded that neighbors near
Holz Lake had recently stocked it with 6 inch and 12 inch bass.
Member Danner asked the status of the rainwater garden at Cedar Pond Park. Macbeth responded that
work will continue on that site with supplemental plantings. He noted also that there had been some vandalism at
this site.
OTHER BUSINESS AND REPORTS
SUBCOMMITTEE UPDATES
The Recreation Subcommittee met to explore ideas to discourage the use of tobacco in recreational settings.
Superintendent Asfahl provided a meeting summary indicating that the subcommittee felt they should send a strong
message to support a tobacco and alcohol free environment for youth participating in recreational activities.
Member Perry added that this would simply bring awareness to the public through signage. Member Rudolph
reiterated that the subcommittee wanted to be an advocate for a healthy environment for youth.
Member Peterson asked if the Advisory Commission has the authority to set this policy or does the City
Council need to make that decision. Director Vraa responded that if this were to be an enforceable policy it would
need to be part of an ordinance, which the City Council would have to authorize. Member Perry opined that the
subcommittee was simply asking for awareness and voluntary compliance. Member Filipi agreed with the idea but
suggested the inclusion of tobacco, alcohol and drug free in the signage. Member Belfiori suggested staying away
from the designation of "free zone" as it might imply a tie to an ordinance and/or a specific area. He suggested that
the general verbiage should remain educational only.
The recommendation of the Recreation Subcommittee was to continue looking at verbiage options for
tobacco free/alcohol free/drug free signs, to get a sample of signs offered by CAFE and bring information back to
the Advisory Commission in July.
Member Peterson noted that the Natural Resources Subcommittee recently visited 8 parcels of land and
used the predeternlined criteria to help evaluate their ranked priority for potential acquisition. Peterson added that
there are 10 parcels left to review and that the subcommittee will report back to the Advisory Commission with the
results of their review.
COMMUNITY CENTER UPDATE
Director Vraa stated that work has slowed down because of the recent rain. He added that the bandshell
footings and foundation have been poured and that work should progress quickly. Vraa added that storm sewer,
curb and gutter and other Central Parkway construction will begin shortly making this an extremely busy
construction site.
SET WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS ALTERNATIVE FUNDING
A workshop to discuss alternative funding was scheduled for Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 5:00 p.m. at the
Eagan Municipal Center.
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ROUND TABLE
Member Danner asked if the CIP could be revisited. Member Rudolph suggested that there be an update at
a subsequent meeting.
Member Rudolph suggested that all members provide staff with their e-mail address. Member Danner
reminded Commission Members and the public that donor bricks to be placed in Central Park are still available for
purchase from the Lioness group.
ADJOURNMENT
With no further business to conduct Dorothy Peterson moved, John Rudolph seconded with all members
voting in favor to adjourn the meeting. The meeting was adjourned at 9:25 p.m.
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