02/24/1997 - Advisory Parks & Recreation Commission
AGENDA
ADVISORY PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
EAGAN, MINNESOTA
Monday, February 24, 1997
7:00 PM
Eagan Municipal Center
City Council Chambers
A. 7:00 PM Regular Meeting
B. Call to Order and Pledge of Allegiance 7:02 pm
C. Introduction of New Members 7:03 pm
D. Commission Organization 7:05 pm
(1) Election of Chair, Vice Chair and Secretary
(2) Committee Appointments
E. Approval of Agenda 7:15 pm
F. Approval of Minutes of Regular Meeting of January 21, 1997 7:16 pm
G. Visitors to be Heard 7:18 pm
H. Department Happenings Page 11 7:20 pm
1. Consent Agenda 7:30 pm
(1) Oak Hills Church Page 15
J. Development Proposals pm
(1) Rathman Acres - Gregory & Valerie Rathman Page 17 7:35 pm
(2) Homestead Village, Inc. - Planned Development Amendment Page 25 7:50 pm
K. Old Business
(1) Dakota Hills Update Page 35 8:05 pm
(2) Borchert/Ingersoll Update 8:15 pm
(3) Anderson Parcel Update 8:25 pm
(4) Petition Process Page 45 8:35 pm
L. New Business
(1) Commission Goals and Work Program 8:45 pm
M. Parks Development Update 9:00 pm
N. Water Resources Update
(1) Lawn Chemical Update Page 47 9:10 pm
(2) Fish Lake Alum Dosing Update Page 49 9:20 pm
(3) City Participation with Toro Environmental Solutions Program Page 53 9:30 pm
0. Other Business and Reports
(1) Warming Shelter Survey - Ben Duvick, Intern 9:40 pm
(2) McCarthy Property 9:55 pm
(3) Set Acquisition/Development Sub-committee Meeting 10:00 pm
(4) Joint Commission/Council Meeting 10:05 pm
(5) March Agenda Items 10:10 pm
P. Round Table 10:15 pm
Q. Adjournment 10:20 pm
The City of Eagan is committed to the policy that all persons have equal access to its programs, services, activities, facilities and
employment without regard to race, color, creed, religion, national origin, sex, disability, age, marital status, sexual orientation, or
status with regard to public assistance. Auxiliary aids for disabled persons wishing to participate are available upon request at least
96 hours in advance of the events. If a notice of less than 96 hours is received, the City will attempt to provide the aids.
1996 ADVISORY PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MEETING SCHEDULE
NAME Feb Mar April May June July Aug Sept Oct Nov Dec Jan
20 18 15 20 17 15 19 16 14 18 16 20*
Comm. Comm. Comm Comm
Rm Rm Rm .Rm
X X X 0* X 0* X X 0* X X 0*
RANDALL AHERN
X X X X X X X O* X O O* X
TIM CALLISTER
X X X X X X X O* X X X O*
GUY KOHLNHOFER (Alternate)
X X X X 0* X X 0* X 0* X X
GEORGE KUBIK
X x x 0* X X X X 0* X 0* X
LEE MARKELL CHAIR
X X X X 0* X X X X X X X
DARYLE PETERSEN
X X X X O* X X X O* X O* X
JOHN RUDOLPH SECRETARY
X X X 0* X X X X O* X X X
DAVID SZOTT
X x x x x x x x x x x x
STEPHEN THOMPSON VICE CHAIR
X X 0* 0* 0* RESIGNED - JULY, 1996
KEN TYLER
X 0* X X X L -L X X X X X
MICHAEL VINCENT
Recreation Sub-Committee Natural Resources Sub-Committee Land Acquisition Sub-Committee
John Rudolph Daryle Petersen Lee Markell
George Kubik Tim Callister Michael Vincent
Randall Ahern Steve Thompson Ken Tyler
David Szott*
Guy Kohlnhofer
UPCOMING MEETINGS: Holz Farm Task Force
March 7, 1996.....5:00-7:00 PM - Land Acq.Sub-committee - Bond Referendum Lee Markell
March 14, 1996--5:00-':00 PM - Land Acq.Sub.committee - Bond Referendum Guy Kohinhofer
March 18, 1996_,7:00 pm - Regular Commission Meeting
April 18, 1990 - 4:30 pm Parks Bond Task Force tour
April 25, Stay 9, May 23, 1996-7:00 pm - Parks Bond Task Forc ro
May 2, Mast (i, May 30, 1996 - Land Acquisition' flevirlopment Subcommittee
July Re:reation Subcommittee Meeting and Natural Resources Subcommittee Meeting
November 19, 1996..,5:30 PM Joint Connll;Comrnlssion Meeting OPEN ISSUES
Jan. 8, 1997.... 5:00 pm - Acquisition/Development Subcommittee Meeting 1. Tour of Community Centers in other cities
Jan. 27, 1997.. 7:00 pm - Recreation Subcommittee Meeting 2. Commission Review Workshop
Subject to approval
MINUTES OF REGULAR MEETING OF
ADVISORY PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
JANUARY 21, 1997
EAGAN, MINNESOTA
A regular meeting of the Advisory Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission was called to
order at 7:00 p.m. on January 21, 1997 with the following Commission Members present: Tim Callister,
George Kubik, Lee Markell, Daryle Petersen, John Rudolph, David Szott, Stephen Thompson and Michael
Vincent. Commission Members Randall Ahern, and Guy Kohlnhofer were not present. Staff present included
Ken Vraa, Director of Parks and Recreation; Dorothy Peterson, Superintendent of Recreation; Paul Olson, Parks
Superintendent; C.J. Lilly, Landscape Architect/Parks Planner; Rich Brasch, Water Resources Coordinator;
Gregg Hove, Forestry Supervisor; Pam Dudziak, Planner and Cheryl Mesko, Secretary.
AGENDA
Director Vraa added General Discussion as Item #6 under Other Business and Reports. George Kubik
moved, Michael Vincent seconded with all members voting in favor to accept the agenda as amended.
VISITORS TO BE HEARD
Wayne Bugasch, 845 Trotters Ridge addressed the Commission regarding the issue of a walking path to
Bald Lake from Northview Park Road. He noted that there was concern in their neighborhood for this trail.
Their primary concern is for the safety of the children and some of the residents feel that a trail would create a
situation where safety is compromised. They asked that this issue be added to the Commission's agenda.
Director Vraa added that a letter had been provided to the Commission regarding the residents
concerns for this trail. He also noted that the City Council did not proceed with the Gardenwood Ponds
preliminary plat, however the plan to install a trail at this location still exists.
Commission Member Markell asked if this issue could be addressed by the Land
Acquisition/Development Sub-committee prior to the February meeting. Following discussion by the sub-
committee, it was felt that a recommendation could then be forward to the full Commission at a later time. It
was the consensus of the Commission and Mr. Bugasch that a meeting be set for February 24 before the
regular Commission meeting to discuss the neighbors concerns.
MINUTES OF DECEMBER 16, 1996
Michael Vincent moved, John Rudolph seconded with all members voting in favor to accept the
minutes of the regular meeting of December 16, 1996 as presented.
DEPARTMENT HAPPENNINGS
Items highlighted included authorization of mail distribution of the quarterly newsletter; Informational
meeting with the new Eastview Athletic Association; hectic first day of pavilion reservations for 1997;
Community Development block grant application for Youth Development programs; agreement with Dakota
County for the grooming of cross country ski trails in the city parks; installation of aerators in several lakes and
the park maintenance staff has been called upon to aid with snow plowing.
CONSENT AGENDA
There were no items under the Consent Agenda for the Commission to review.
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DEVELOPMENT AGENDA
EVERGREEN - ROYAL OAKS REALTY. INC.
Planner Dudziak Introduced this Item as a request of a Preliminary Subdivision of 40 acres and a
Rezoning of 20 acres for Agricultural to R- 1, Single Family Residential. The 40 acre site is located east of Gun
Club Road, north of 120th Street, and south of the Pines Edge subdivision and Red Pine Elementary School.
The proposed subdivision would create two lots of approximately 9.5 acres on the west half of the site and 53
lots and one outlot on the east half of the site. This rezoning request is for the east half of the site only, Dudziak
concluded.
Forestry Supervisor Hove noted this was a very unique site in that it has been a nursery for the past 30
years and there are more than 1000 trees on the site. Because of the high amount of trees located on the site a
method of forest sampling was developed and performed by a forestry consultant hired by the applicant. Hove
then reviewed the results of the sampling procedure which resulted in a calculation of an allowable removal of
934 significant trees. A mitigation plan was devised whereby the 431 trees in excess of the allowable limits
would be transplanted within the development site and at Hidden Corner Park and Red Pine Elementary school.
The applicant would be responsible for the cost of transplanting the 431 trees. Member Rudolph asked if the
trees would survive being transplanted. Hove responded that staff has been very successful with their
transplanting efforts in the past.
Water Resources Coordinator Brasch stated that this development will generate runoff that will
eventually reach several recreation classified water bodies within Lebanon Hills Park. Because of the size of the
total development and where the runoff will occur, staff is recommending on-site ponding. The developer' s
proposed pond location Is on a slope above the wetland centered in the western parcel. To minimize erosion-
related filling of the wetland, intensive erosion control will be required and a 15' upgraded buffer between the
wetland edge and the limit of grading will be maintained. The proposed pond is somewhat larger than would
be required to fully satisfy treatment for the proposed 20 acre development and would also be used to pre-treat
runoff from the western 20 acre parcel when it develops In the future. The remaining wet volume to fully meet
treatment requirements for this parcel would be created by excavation of a portion of the wetland to which the
constructed pond discharges. Member Markell asked if there were any trail opportunities around the wetland
once development is completed. Brasch responded that it is not likely that development will occur on the
property where the Mrotzkes are currently living until they are no longer in the home.
Director Vraa noted that this development will be responsible for a cash parks dedication since Hidden
Corner Park is already developed . There may be the possibility of a trail connection to the park when the
western portion of the property is developed, Vraa added, however, the development will be responsible for a
cash trails dedication.
Mike Black, representing the developer, thanked staff for working cooperatively with them to resolve
all the issues. He noted that they concur with staff' s recommendations.
After a brief discussion, George Kubik moved, Michael Vincent seconded with all members voting in
favor to make the following recommendations to the City Council regarding the Evergreen development:
1. This development shall be responsible for a cash parks dedication.
2. This development shall be responsible for a cash trails dedication.
3. This development shall be required to arrange for and bear the cost of transplanting 431 trees
as identified below:
4. 50 12' - 15' trees to Hidden Comer Park.
5. 50 12' - 15' trees to Red Pine Elementary School.
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6. 231 12' - 15' trees within the Evergreen development site.
7. Tree Protective Measures (i.e. 4 foot polyethylene laminate safety netting) shall be installed at
the Drip Line or at the perimeter of the Critical Root Zone, whichever is greater, of significant
trees/woodlands to be preserved.
8. The developer shall contact the City Forestry Division at least five days prior to the issuance of
the grading permit to ensure compliance with the approved Tree Preservation Plan.
9. This development shall meet its water quality mitigation requirements through construction of
a detention pond. The design of the pond must be approved by the water resources
coordinator.
10. An ungraded buffer at least 15 feet in width shall be maintained around the wetland on the
western parcel.
11. Filling or draining of wetlands shall be prohibited.
OLD BUSINESS
INVER GROVE HEIGHTS - IOINT POWERS AGREEMENT
Director Vraa noted that the discussion of a joint Powers Agreement between the City of Eagan and
Inver Grove Heights was based on the development of Southern Lakes. That development will get services from
the City of Eagan and the children living there will attend Red Pine Elementary School. Since this area will most
likely be participating in sports and school activities within Eagan a recommendation is being made that a
playfleld with a soccer overlay be incorporated within the development. It is also being suggested that parking
be considered near the park area. More discussions will occur with Inver Grove Heights and the developer
regarding this proposal, Vraa concluded.
WORKNG DRAFT SCHOOL/CITY BALLFIELD MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT
Director Vraa introduced this item stating that Dakota Hills Middle School/Eagan High School had
approached the City to ballfield maintenance on their site on a contract basis. Some preliminary work has been
done, however staff is seeking feedback from the Commission on the agreement.
Superintendent Olson pointed out that there are 4 ballfields adjacent to Dakota Hills Middle School
that are included in the request. Tasks included in the proposed maintenance agreement were reviewed as were
the tasks that would not be included. The fees being proposed were based on the approved City fee schedule
that is adopted each year. The costs to maintain mowers and equipment were also reviewed in this analysis.
Olson continued that Phase I, Renovation/Pre-Season Preparation would be recommended
maintenance since this would bring the fields to a level consistent with the City' s facilities. The various levels of
maintenance were provided so the school district could select which components they would like to incorporate
based on the dollars available to them for this work. Olson added that the estimate to maintain the four fields,
based on the City' s own maintenance standards, would be $25,654 per year.
Member Vincent asked what the incentive was to do this work for the school district. Director Vraa
responded that providing quality fields at the high school/middle school for the community to use during the
summer would mean that the City would not have to build more to accommodate the need. As long as the
fields are well maintained and used, and the City' s costs are covered, this appears to be a benefit to everyone.
Vraa added that staff would want to see a 2 year minimum contract to ensure that the fields could be properly
prepared.
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Member Rudolph asked if City fields would suffer from the time spent on the school fields.
Superintendent Olson responded that the reason this request can work is because the school fields are located
very close to Northview Athletic fields. There would not be the issue of moving a lot of equipment to a remote
location; rather, the equipment can continue the work from Northview right on to the school fields. Olson
added that the principal at Dakota Hills Middle School is very interested in having the school fields of equal
quality to the nearby City fields.
Member Kubik stated that the reasons for pursuing this option seem to be very sound and suggested
that staff continue to negotiate with the school for the maintenance of the fields. Member Thompson added
that most residents don' t know where school property ends and City property begins so this may be a way to
maintain some consistency. After further brief discussion, Member Kubik noted that it appeared to be the
consensus of the Commission that staff proceed with negotiations with the school district relative to the
maintenance of the four ballfields at Dakota Hills Middle School/Eagan High School.
NEW BUSINESS
There were no items under New Business for the Commission to review.
PARKS DEVELOPMENT UPDATE
Parks Planner Lilly explained that plans are underway to proceed with sign replacement at Cedar Pond,
Bur Oaks and Evergreen neighborhood parks as well as Trapp Farm and Thomas Lake community parks. Lilly
then provided the Commission with three conceptual signs with A being the largest sign, B medium sized and C
the smallest size. Three construction materials were also discussed; Cylex, a granite looking artificial stone,
aluminum and redwood. The price for using the Cylex product was; Concept A, $11,000; Concept B,
$7,084; Concept C; $5,000+. The price for using aluminum was; Concept A, $4,500; Concept B, $4,375;
Concept C, $2,450. The price for using redwood was; Concept A, $5,500; Concept B, $5,400; Concept C,
$2,000.
Member Petersen asked about the life span of the three products. Planner Lilly responded that they are
all durable. Responding to concerns about maintenance for the redwood product, Lilly noted that the wood is
painted with an enamel based paint and would need to be repainted in approximately 20 years.
After significant discussion, it was the consensus of the Commission that Concept B, made from
redwood with a see through tree was the preference. Staff was directed to pursue cost estimates to see which
sign was the most feasible to pursue.
WATER RESOURCES UPDATE
LETTER TO EAGAN FOOTBALL BOOSTER CLUB - FERTILIZER SALE
Water Resources Coordinator Brasch noted that the Eagan Wildcat Football Booster Club had been
selling fertilizer as a fund-raiser for the past several years. The City has encouraged the group to focus on the
phosphorous content of the fertilizer they have been selling. A letter has been drafted to the booster club
asking that they limit the phosphorus content of all lawn fertilizers to 3% or less and requesting sales volume
figures for each of the blends of fertilizer sold through the sale. It is hoped that this can provide information
as to whether purchasing patterns of fertilizer have changed over time as it relates to product phosphorus
content. Staff also congratulated the booster club for their efforts to promote low or no phosphorus
fertilizers during their sale.
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In response to a question, Brasch noted that 1800, 20 lb. bags of fertilizer had been sold last year.
He also noted that this group also distributes water quality brochures during their sale process.
It was the Commission's consensus that a letter be forwarded to the booster club requesting the
information as identified in the draft letter. Chairman Markell will sign the letter on behalf of the
Commission.
OTHER BUSINESS AND REPORTS
DART TRANSIT
Director Vraa introduced this item noting that ly is not a development item, however with the
Conditional Use Permit being requested by the developer there are issues that should be addressed by the
Commission. Ken noted that this is a request to allow outdoor storage on two sites located west of Hwy.
149 east of the Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific Railroad and just south of Stark's restaurant.
Because of the extent of impact on this permitted use, staff has prepared some preliminary conditions for
Commission consideration.
Following a brief review regarding tree preservation and water quality, it was the Commission's
consensus that the following items be incorporated in the Conditional Use Permit:
1. Parks dedication and trails dedication will be reviewed when an application for development is
submitted.
2. A tree inventory and tree preservation plan will be required when an application for
development is submitted.
3. Runoff from impervious surfaces within the site will be treated with on-site ponding prior to
discharge off the site. The ponding configuration must be approved by the City's Water
Resources Coordinator.
4. A wetland inventory must be conducted to identify, delineate and determine the jurisdictional
status of any wetlands within the parcel.
5. Wetland fill or drain impacts should be avoided. If avoidance is not possible, mitigation which
complies with the Wetland Conservation Act standards shall be required.
6. If the Commission is not satisfied with the level of detail presented, it could also recommend
that it be given the opportunity to review supplemental information for future
recommendations.
SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS
Superintendent Peterson noted that the Recreation Subcommittee will meet on January 27 to
review the Child Protection Policy.
Director Vraa noted that the Acquisition/Development Subcommittee has begun to look at the $2
million Park Site Fund budget and how it could be spent. It was felt that once new Commission Members are
on board the subcommittee can continue their review.
There have not been issues for the Natural Resources Subcommittee to review recently.
NEW COMMISSION ORIENTATION
Director Vraa noted that Guy Kohlnhofer, Lee Markell, and Terry Davis had been appointed by the
Council to the Advisory Commission for 3 year terms. Barbara Johnson was appointed for a 1 year term
and Jerry Farley was appointed as the alternate. The new member will be at the first meeting in February.
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Commission Members in the past have expressed a desire to provide consistency in how the meetings are
conducted and to have a clear understanding of how decisions are made to make sure information Is accurate
and that the Commission portrays a united front with issues.
Members Thompson and Vincent opined that the Commission needs to focus on discussing all sides
of an issue but present a stronger voice by remaining unified. Member Kubik opined that the Commission
should simply focus on basic professionalism in their role as an advisory commission and the rest will fall into
place. In discussing the how the Commission could pursue some of these ideas, it was determined that the
first meeting with new members in February would be an appropriate time to discuss these issues. It was the
Commission's recommendation that an orientation for all members be held from 6:30-7:00 prior to the
February meeting.
SET FEBRUARY MEETING DATE
The February meeting was set for Monday, February 24, 1997.
GENERAL DISCUSSION
Director Vraa stated that at the last Council/Commission joint meeting, the Commission had been
directed to look at multi-use facilities to see if there were any opportunities to facilitate such a use. The
question that has come from the Commission was how the Council specifically wanted them to proceed.
Vraa noted that it may be appropriate for the Commission to communicate with the Council to obtain more
specific direction.
Member Kubik asked if it would be helpful for staff to do a simple scope of services which could be
included with a letter from the Commission to the Council. After a brief discussion, Michael Vincent
moved, George Kubik seconded with all members voting in favor to have staff prepare a scope of services
along with the Advisory Commission Chair writing a letter to the City Council on behalf of the Commission
seeking further direction on the process of investigating multi-use facilities in the city.
ADJOURNMENT
With no further business to conduct, George Kubik moved, Michael Vincent seconded with all
members voting in favor to adjourn the meeting. The meeting was adjourned at 9:55 p.m.
Secretary Date
MEMO
- city of eagan
TO: ADVISORY PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCE
COMMISSION
FROM: KEN VRAA, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION
DATE: FEBRUARY 21, 1997
RE: COMMISSION AGENDA, FEBRUARY 24, 1997
A reminder that prior to the start of the regular Commission Meeting, there will be a meeting of
the Acquisition and Development Sub-Committee with the residents on Trotters Ridge. This
meeting is regarding the proposed trail construction in Wondering Walk Park as part of the
Gardenwoods Pond 3rd Addition. The meeting will begin at 5:30 p.m. Other members of the
Commission are welcome to attend if they would like. The upstairs conference room has been set
aside for this meeting. Prior to the Agenda page in this packet is a letter from the residents which
outlines their concern for the proposed trail.
Beginning at 6:30 p.m. is the "Commission orientation which will be conducted by Jon
Hohenstein, Assistant to the City Administrator. This is for new and returning Commission
members. Although only 30 minutes have been allocated to the session, I'm certain it will help in
getting the Commission off to a good start for the year.
After the call to order and pledge of allegiance, the new Commission members will be introduced
to the audience. This will be followed by the selection of the Chair, Vice Chair and Secretary.
Director of Parks and Recreation Vraa will chair this portion of the meeting.
Also, under Commission organization are the sub-committee designations and appointments to
each.
And finally, the Commission should reaffirm the meeting dates for the year as the Monday
before the second Council Meeting of the month, generally the third Monday of the month.
March 17 July 14 Nov.17
April 21 Aug. 18 Dec. 15
May 19 Sept.15
June 16 Oct. 20
Commission Agenda Memo
February 21, 1997
Page two
The next Order of Business is the approval of the Agenda, followed by the approval of the
minutes of the January meeting. After visitors to be heard, staff will briefly highlight some of
the Department Happenings
There is one Consent item on the Agenda. If there are no questions on this item, it would be in
order for a motion to approve.
There are two Development items, the first of which is Rathman Acres. Provided in the packet
is the staff report on this development.
The second item is Homestead Village, a proposed hotel. Once again, staff has prepared a report
on this development. Of issue is the determination of need for a sidewalk/trail along the street
which fronts this development. The trail plan did not call for a trail along this street before
because the street finished as a cul de sac. However, plans are for the street, recently redesignated
as Denmark, to continue to the south and intersect with Northwood Drive. With the development
that could occur along this section of road, consideration for amending the trails plan to include a
sidewalk/trail should be considered. Staff will provide additional information at the Commission
meeting.
Four items are to be addressed under Old Business. The first is the draft agreement with Dakota
Hills Middle School for field maintenance. Staff has prepared a separate cover memo regarding
this item. Staff is asking the Commission to take action on this item with the expectation that it
can go to the City Council work session.
Item two is to be a verbal update on the acquisition of the tax forfeited Borchert/Ingersol parcel.
As you may recall, some extensive testing has taken place, which have come back with results
that indicate the site is relatively clear of problems. Superintendent Olson will also inform you
of the next steps in the process.
Staff has again met with Lee Anderson regarding the possible acquisition of a portion of his
property and the possible extension of sanitary sewer to serve his entire parcel. Given the high
costs and the limited area that can be serviced by gravity sewer, Mr. Anderson is still considering
what it is he wants to do, once again, staff will provide the Commission with a verbal report.
The final item is the petition process to be used by residents who wish to request by petition
action by the Commission. Members will recall that this came from a petition which request two
action on one petition which was some what confusing. This item was referred to the Recreation
Sub-Committee. Their recommendation provided on a separate packet item.
Commission Agenda Memo
February 21, 1997
Page three
There is only one New Business item, that is the Commission goals and work program for the
next year. Staff has prepared a brief memo which provides background on this item.
Water Resources Coordinator Rich Brasch will be present to bring the Commission up-to-date on
the recent meeting with lawn chemical applicators. The Commission is asked to make a
recommendation on this issue in anticipation of a joint Council - Commission meeting in March.
Rich will also update the Commission on the Fish Lake alum treatment program. And, the
potential for working with Toro on an environmental solutions program. Brief memos cover
these items.
Under Other Business and Reports the first item is a survey report prepared by Ben Duvik who is
completing his student internship with the department. As one of our student internship
requirements, we ask that they participate in a area search project and make a report to the
Commission on their findings. Ben has completed a survey of skating rink users this winter. Staff
will present the remaining items verbally.
As always, if any member has a question on the Agenda or is not able to be present, please
contact the Department.
Respectfully submitted,
Ken Vraa
Director of Parks and Recreation
KV/cs
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REMINbER
5:30 PM
Land Acquisition/bevelopment Subcommittee will meet
with residents on Trotters Ridge
relative to a proposed trail to Bald Lake
from North view Park Road.
Al/ Commission Members are welcome to attend.
6:30 - 7:00 PM
Commission Orientation for all Commission Members
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Wayne Bugasch & Mary Fox
845 Trotters Ridge
Eagan, Minnesota 55123
February 12, 1997
City of Eagan
Ken Vraa , Director of Parks and Recreation
Municipal Center
3830 Pilot Knob Road
Eagan, Minnesota 55122-1897
Dear Ken and committee members:
Thank you for your letter of February 4, 1997. I have visited with our neighborhood and a
group from our Eagan Hills Farm Homeowners Association will attend.
We appreciate the chance to meet with you and the sub-committee and look forward to a
positive open dialogue to share our ideas and concerns.
Unfortunately I have a business commitment in Chicago that can not changed.My
apologies in advance for not being there.
If necessary, I will be available by way of a conference call. The number is 773- 539-
5136. I am confident that our group will lay out all of our concerns.
Please include this letter in the `packet' for the sub-committee members.
My main concerns are:
Child safety
Juvenile crime opportunities
Appropriateness of one segment of plan - Bald Lake
Child safety
There are eleven (11) children (under the age of 12) that live in the seven (7) homes that
would directly touch this proposed parkland path. Within our greater Trotters Ridge
community there is a total of 89 children ( two additions since my 12-7-96 letter!).
Horton's new proposed development indicates that this proposed path will cross through,
by way of easement, seven (7) lots. These homes are not yet built. Clearly these
additional homes will bring even more children in harms way.
Enclosed are some photographs of the children we are talking about....
I would like to believe that we live in a safe community and for the most part, I believe
that. Reading the papers, talking to police, seeing the news in today's world teaches us to
be cautious no matter where we live. This is unfortunately true in our neighborhood.
Break-ins have occurred, you are aware of them (please see my 12-7-96 letter). Property
crimes, theft and vandalism have also taken place. Disturbances that include under-age
drinking, fighting and illegal drugs also take place. More times than I care to admit, we
find a police car sitting in our cul-de-sac under cover of our pine trees observing (or
waiting to) Eagan high school students engaged in the sale of drugs.
What these middle school and high school students choose to do is evident by taking a
walk around the grounds that surround the school. The pine grove is just one example
(also on Northview Park Road directly across the street from the proposed access to this
walking path). They are littered with general debris along with more serious sexual
related and illegal drug paraphernalia.
Please talk with Officer Mike Finneran, the school resource officer for Eagan high school
and Dakota Hills Middle school.
We invite a separate meeting with the appropriate parties in the police department to have
an open discussion about giving these students this additional opportunity as a `place to
go'.
The planning of a secluded walkway adjacent to a high school and middle school,
down to a private lake that is well hidden from any road is dangerous, inappropriate,
and far too tempting.
The safety of our middle school and high school students should not be underscored. The
victims of potential assault crimes, in most cases, would be other students.
At this point, I'd like to ask a simple question - WHY?
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The `plan' preceded the school. We should re-visit the thought process and evaluate the
appropriateness of opening access to secluded areas such as this. Is this prudent in today's
world?
Tragedies have occurred in our communities that 3-5 years ago we would not have
believed could happen.
(example)
Three years ago, a young girl was killed by a horse in the field in back of our home (the
same land that is being developed by Horton). Prior to that, we all felt that it was fine to
have those horses there. After the incident, the decision to allow horses to remain was re-
evaluated. Discussions centered on home density, number of small children, land usage,
and propensities of horses. They were removed. The community made a good decision in
removing the horses but tragically we paid a price; the life of a three year old girl
What is the compelling community need that creates us to take this risk...
Juvenile crime opportunities
Some issues regarding this specific item have been mentioned above. Again, I invite a
dialogue with the Eagan police to get their thoughts. Presently , the city of Eagan does
not have the ability or a plan to secure and patrol areas like this.
I do not believe that a proposed path, such as this, exists in the city of Eagan - a path
down to and past a secluded private lake that can not be monitored by any road or vehicle
(or even by bicycle!)
Other communities have set up bicycle or horse patrol for similar areas. Eagan does not
have the plan nor have we budgeted for the resources.
Children/juveniles commit crimes of opportunity. This path (given its proximity to.. 887
children) is far too tempting of an opportunity.
Bald lake
Bald lake is not a park district recreational lake. It freezes through in the winter and there
are no fish in the summer. Bald lake will be surrounded by private homes when Horton
completes it plan.
I believe that it would be inconsistent to place such a path given the overall goals of
Eagan.
Again, in the strongest and most urgent way , I implore you to revisit your plan to place
access from the high school and middle school to Bald lake. The concerns of our
community have shifted since the conception of this plan. The safety of our children is
that important to us and to the city of Eagan.
Sincerely
Wayne Bugasch & Mary Fox
FEBRUARY DEPARTMENT HAPPENINGS
1. Adult basketball for the winter league is near the half-way point in the season. 30 teams play in four
leagues. More gym space is needed to accommodate the demand.
2. Broomball leagues are finishing up in mid-February. 18 co-rec teams play Fridays in 3 leagues run by
the South of the River Recreators. 20 men's teams play in three leagues on Sundays and Mondays.
3. Hockey is also finishing their season. Fourteen 4-on-4 hockey teams play in two leagues on
Wednesday and Saturday. Twelve boot hockey teams play Saturday mornings at Goat Hill Park.
4. Lessons - The outdoor skating lessons saw a smaller number than previous seasons. A popular new
class is offered Thursday afternoons for preschoolers. In addition, beginners, intermediate and adult
lessons are happening.
5. 1997 softball registration materials were sent out to the 256 - 1996 teams and about two dozen new
teams, as of this writing. Registration begins in March with play starting at the end of April.
6. On February 2, a benefit dinner was held at Jensen's Supper club to commemorate their 50'h year in
the restaurant business and to introduce the Friends of the Farm organization. $370 was raised that
evening. An additional $5.00 per anniversary meal ordered during February will be donated to the
Friends. Dine out often! The goal is to raise over $1,000.
Holz Farm has had furnace problems recently. Otherwise, things are quiet as the Friends of the Farm
plan the 1997 activities.
7. The outdoor recreation sites are coming to a close. The tentative closing date of February 17 may be
pushed back to February 23, weather permitting. Trapp Farm Park tubing hill may be open weekends
beyond that date. Currently, eight sites are open and five closed down for the season. The weather
dictates everything from here on out.
8. My visit to Clearwater Park brought out an interesting conversation. A family was there on Monday,
February 10. The mother approached me and asked if I was in charge. That question always tightens
the nerves. Anyway, she went on to say that they live in Prior Lake now but come back to Eagan to
skate. She says they love Clearwater Park because of the large surface and absence of hockey. They
used to live by the park. I kept asking to be sure I had heard right and yes, it was Prior Lake.
9. Parent Workshops: Our first parent workshop entitled "From Sticky Situations to Smooth Solutions,"
was a great success. We will be holding more of these workshops since the Wescott Community was
awarded a $2,500 grant. This federal grant originated from the Center for Substance Abuse Prevention
and awarded to us through the Dakota Partnership for Healthy Communities. They are also the grant's
fiscal agents.
10. Tutoring and Extended Kindergarten: The tutoring and extended kindergarten programs were given
$900 from last year's Family Service and Collaborative Children's Library Service Program Grant.
The money will be used to purchase needed books, workbooks, educational games and computer
software for both programs. The fiscal agent will be the school district.
11. Wescott Programs: We just received great news! We have just been awarded grant money from the
new Library Services Grant listed above entitled, "Reading Connections." This grant includes; $2,700
for instructional services for our tutoring program, $200 for Wescott Staff to receive training in the
Motheread/Fatheread Program , $460 for a field trip to the Children's Museum and $200 in bus
transportation money for library field trips. This totals $3,560 for the Wescott Program with District
196 Family Services Collaborative as the fiscal agent.
12. Thanks to mild temperatures the largest crowd ever took part in the February 8 ice fishing event at
Schwanz Lake. Again, for most youngsters this was their first stab at the sport. Members of In-
Fishermen and Sportsmen Bassmasters donated time and bait. Recreation and water quality staff
coordinated the activity. Several "Sunnies" were caught.
13. Planning sessions for the 1997 Yankee Doodle Festival have begun. Recreation will again coordinate
the Little Doodlers' Art Tent. All materials are donated by festival sponsors. Volunteers and seasonal
staff facilitate the activity.
14. Staff attended an USIA "Play Tennis America" planning session. This may provide a new approach
to adult lessons. The Commission may recall that youth lessons, camps, leagues and adult tennis
leagues are at or near capacity. Adult lesson participation is weak.
15. Spring recreation activities are being planned. The Discover Us! Brochure will be delivered by the
post office beginning February 24. Spring activity begins the week of March 17. Numerous spring
break special programs are offered as is the custom when schools are out. The typical wide range of
activities are offered.
16. Staff will attend a District 196 Collaborative workshop this month. "Working Together for a Change"
is the workshop title. The presenters, John Bryson and Barbara Crosby, are authors of Leadership for
the Common Good: Tackling Public Problems in a Shared-Power World. The workshop should form
an excellent critique of the collaborative efforts that have been accomplished among the agencies
involved in the District 196 group.
17. National Youth Sport Coaches Clinics for coaches of Eagan Athletic Association spring/summer sports
have been set. A total of 9 clinics are offered for an anticipated attendance of 250 coaches. The
emphasis of the clinics is the psychology of working with children. EAA is a strong partner and
advocate of the merits of the program.
18. Recent computer upgrades have enabled two recreation supervisors to have a p.c. in their work station.
The work room continues to have two units from which Recreation staff can work. Coupled with
recent computer software training, this will provide the first wave of a new way of doing things.
19. Staff are working on the City's web page in conjunction with other departments. Parks and Recreation
has an enormous amount of data that could be placed on the system.
20. Eagan hosted an Arena Managers Meeting for ice arena managers and directors of parks and recreation
"South of the River" in an effort to develop an understanding of common problems and to share useful
information. Additional meetings are planned.
21. The Civic Arena hosted two district play-off games for Eagan Girls Varsity Hockey. Both games were
well attended.
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22. Department staff have met with Eagan Hockey Association representatives regarding a second sheet of
ice. The City has received notification that it would get $125,000 in Mighty Ducks Grant money,
$250,000 was sought. A memo is being proposed for Council direction on the issue.
23. C.J. Lilly and Ken Vraa continue to attend public meetings conducted by DNR staff for revising the
Master Plan for Fort Snelling State Park.
24. Staff continues to work on entrance signs to Lexington Diffley Park with hopes they can be installed
early in the year.
25. The preschool program participants have been busy this winter session. Valentine Pizza Parties were
held during Valentine's week, a skating and sledding party (with parents) was held at Bridle Ridge and
Goat Hill. The children are making new friends, learning new songs, making creative art projects and
playing games. Themes are used throughout the program. Some themes from winter session are:
Penguins & Ice, Marbles & Magnets, Dinosaur Land, Space & Science, Transportation & Weather.
The children are looking forward to their winter field trip to the Children's Museum at the end of
February.
26. The volleyball season will be winding down in the next month. Teams are getting ready to represent
Eagan at the MRPA State Tournament. We will be sending teams to the women's, men's and co-rec
state tourneys.
27. Spring programs are planned. Many activities are planned for youth during spring break. A tour of
the Metrodome, Cinema Cafes, open gym and swim, coloring party and a school's out party will
entertain the children.
28. The agreement with Dakota County to provide cross country ski trail grooming services has been
approved. The County will provide all grooming equipment and an operator for a hourly fee. The
first grooming will take place the week of February 17, if conditions allow. The groomer is also
capable of tilling the tubing hill at Trapp Farm Park thereby eliminating the large ruts.
29. Gregg Hove, Supervisor of Forestry, has received a $1,000 grant from the Department of Natural
Resources to research and develop a new tree preservation brochure for distribution to residents and
developers.
30. Warm temperatures and an ever increasing sun angle have begun to take a toll on the outdoor rinks.
The condition of the rinks will be monitored daily. The rink season rarely extends beyond the third
week in February.
31. Approximately 75 applications were received for the now vacant Forestry/Park Maintenance worker
position. A test was given on February 18 to approximately 35 applicants determined to be qualified
for the position. Interviewing of the top candidates is expected to be completed by month's end.
32. The Department has begun to receive calls from groups volunteering for a "spring clean-up" of park
areas. Operations Supervisor Paul Graham will once again coordinate the effort.
33. Staff has been meeting regularly with Architect Jon Miller to refine plains for the proposed Lexington
Diffley service buildings. Rending approval of the Capital Improvement Plan, construction is
proposed for mid to late summer.
34. Maintenance staff has begun construction of several informational kiosks for the water quality
program. They will be installed at several park locations this spring.
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35. Maintenance staff has begun to evaluate and acquire equipment included in the approved Capital
Equipment Program. Acquisition includes a trash compactor, turf sweeper, utility truckster, skid steer
and several replacement vehicles.
36. Oxygen levels in area lakes remain low. Aerators are helping on several lakes. Swarms of fish can be
seen gasping for air in the open water areas adjacent to culverts on several of the non-aerated lakes.
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Advisory Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission
February 24, 1997 Meeting
Consent Agenda
OAK HILLS CHURCH
1. This development will not be responsible for a parks dedication fee, however, if the use of this
development changes from PF than the new designation will be subject to a cash parks
dedication fee.
2. This development shall be responsible for a cash trails dedication.
3. This development will require the applicant to install 5 Category A trees or 10 Category B trees
or 20 Category C trees as mitigation for tree removal in excess of allowable limits. A revised
landscape plan should be submitted to reflect this tree mitigation.
4. Tree Protective Measures (i.e. 4 foot polyethylene laminate safety netting) shall be installed at
the Drip Line or at the perimeter of the Critical Root zone, whichever is greater, of significant
trees/woodlands to be preserved.
5. The developer shall contact the City Forestry Division at least five days prior to the issuance of
the grading permit to ensure compliance with the approved Tree Preservation Plan.
6. Water quality mitigation requirements shall be met through on-site ponding.
7. Draining or filling of the jurisdictional wetland shall be prohibited and a minimum 30 foot wide
ungraded buffer measured back from the delineated wetland edge shall be preserved (excluding
the area affected by detention basin construction).
MEMO
city of eagan
TO: ADVISORY PARKS RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES
COMMISSION
FROM: KEN VRAA, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION
DATE: FEBRUARY 19, 1997
RE: OAK HILLS CHURCH
BACKGROUND
This is a request for a Rezoning of 7.09 acres legally described as Lot 1 and Outlot A,
Hampton Heights, from Agriculture to Public Facility and a Variance to the parking lot setback
from the public right-of-way along Yankee Doodle Road. This proposed development is
located south of Yankee Doodle Road and east of Coachman Road In the NSW 1/4 of Section
17.
PARKS/TRAILS DEDICATION
This development would not be subject to a parks dedication fee, however, if the use of this
development changes from PF designation, the new designation will be subject to a cash parks
dedication. This development will be responsible for a cash trails dedication.
TREE PRESERVATION
This 7.5 acre site is located on the SE corner of Yankee Doodle Road and Coachman Road in
the NW 1 /4 of Section 16. The south half of the lot is a pond, the north half is both wooded
and open grassland.
Significant Vegetation
The submitted Tree Inventory indicates that there are 49 significant trees on site, comprised of
boxelder, aspen, and silver maple trees, ranging in diameter from 12" to 30".The submitted
plan shows 42 significant trees existing with 12 significant trees to be removed (four of these
trees are multiple-stemmed clumps). The City of Eagan Tree Preservation Ordinance defines
multiple-stemmed clump trees as being separate trees when they fork below a height of 4 2
feet.
The development as proposed will result in the removal of 17 significant trees (34.7% of the
total). According to the City of Eagan Tree Preservation Ordinance allowable removal for this
type of development is 30% (14 trees) of the existing resources.
Mitigation for significant tree removal in excess of allowable limits calculates to 5 Category A
trees or 10 Category B trees or 20 Category C trees.
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Recommendation
Staff is recommending approval of the Tree Preservation Plan as proposed with the following
conditions:
To require that the applicant install 5 Category A trees or 10 Category B trees or 20 Category
C trees as mitigation for tree removal in excess of allowable limits. A revised landscape plan
should be submitted to reflect this tree mitigation.
To require that Tree Protective Measures (i.e. 4 foot polyethylene laminate safety netting be
installed at the Drip Line or at the perimeter of the Critical Root Zone, whichever Is greater, of
significant trees/woodlands to be preserved.
To require that the developer contact the City Forestry Division at least five days prior to the
issuance of the grading permit to ensure compliance with the approved Tree Preservation Plan.
WATER QUALITY/WETLANDS
This development is located adjacent to a 5 acre state protected wetland near the intersection
of Yankee Doodle Road and Coachman Road. The wetland is designated Pond CP-1 in the
City's water quality management plan and classified as a nutrient basin. Runof from the
proposed development will be discharged to this wetland. Because there is some existing
residential development around the wetland, staff recommends that the runoff be treated
through on-site ponding prior to discharge. The only jurisdictional wetland within the parcel is
the one associated with Pond CP-1. This wetland has been delineated, and neither draining or
filling of any portion of the wetland complex is proposed. Other than the grading necessary
for the detention basin, staff recommends preservation of a minimum 30 foot wide ungraded
and un-maintained buffer measured back from the delineated edge of the wetland.
RECOMMENDATIONS
Water quality mitigation requirements be met through on-site ponding.
Draining or filling of the jurisdictional wetland be prohibited and that a minimum 30 foot
wide ungraded buffer measured back from the delineated wetland edge be preserved
(excluding the area affected by detention basin construction).
Advisory Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission
February 24, 1997 Meeting
Consent Agenda
RATHMAN ACRES - GREGORY AND VALERIE RATHMAN
1. This development shall be responsible for a cash parks dedication.
2. This development shall be responsible for a cash trails dedication.
3. The Tree Preservation Plan as proposed shall be approved with the following conditions:
Tree Protective Measures (i.e. 4 foot polyethylene laminate safety netting) shall be installed at
the Drip Line or at the perimeter of the Critical Root Zone, whichever is greater, of significant
trees/woodlands to be preserved.
The developer shall contact the City Forestry Division at least five days prior to the issuance of
the grading permit to ensure compliance with the approved Tree Preservation Plan.
Individual Lot Tree Preservation Plans shall be submitted at the time of Building Permit
Application for Lots 6, 7, and 8.
4. This development shall be subject to a cash water quality dedication based on the area and
development density of all lots excluding Lot 2 which is already developed.
5. A conservation easement shall be secured to provide protection of riparian and adjacent upland
areas along Blackhawk Lake as a condition of any variance granted under the shoreland zoning
regulations. The area covered in the conservation easement should extend a minimum of 100
feet back from the OHW of Blackhawk Lake.
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TO: ADVISORY PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES
COMMISSION
FROM: KEN VRAA, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION
DATE: FEBRUARY 19, 1997
RE: RATHMAN ACRES - GREGORY AND VALERIE RATHMAN
BACKGROUND
Greg and Valerie Rathman are requesting approval of a Preliminary Subdivision of
approximately 15 acres located at the southwest corner of Blackhawk Lake, east of Blackhawk
Road and north of Silver Bell Road.
The site contains an existing single family residence and a barn. It is currently zoned R-1,
Single Family Residential and is designated in the Comprehensive Guide Plan as D-1, single
family residential ( up to 3 units per acre). The proposed subdivision would create eight lots
ranging in size from just under 1/2 acre (20,100 s.f.) to 3.27 acres (142,500 s.f.), with an
average lot size of about 2 acres.
The existing residence is located on the western portion of the site. Lots 1 and 2 are proposed
to have direct access to Blackhawk Road. Public street access for Lots 3, 4 and 5 is proposed
to be off a 200 foot long cul-de-sac, Skater Circle, extended east from Blackhawk Road. Lots
6, 7 and 8 do not have direct public access. Access for these three lots is proposed via the 20
foot wide existing private access drive off Riverton Avenue, Riverton Point, which serves four
lots within Blackhawk Lake Addition.
PARKS AND TRAILS DEDICATION
This development shall be responsible for a cash parks dedication and a cash trails dedication.
TREE PRESERVATION
The eastern 2/3 of this site is completely wooded with a variety of hardwood deciduous trees.
The lay of the land Is rolling, much of It sloping down to Blackhawk Lake.
Significant Vegetation
A Tree Inventory and a Tree Preservation Plan have been submitted for this development. The
plan indicates that existing significant vegetation consists of 9.64 acres of significant woodlands
and 36 significant trees. The individual trees species include pine, spruce, ash, maple, and
crabapples. All of these individual trees are located in the west area of this site, within lots 1,
2, 3, 4, and 5.
The development as proposed will result in the removal of .3 acres (3.1 % of the total) of
significant woodlands (result of grading for private driveway installation). No significant trees
will be removed. According to the City of Eagan Tree Preservation Ordinance allowable
removal for this type of development is 25% during initial site preparation, and an additional
20% during the development of each lot. The applicant is Intending to prepare lots 1, 3, 4,
and 5 during the initial site preparation (no trees will be removed), and then perform custom
lot grading on lots 6, 7, and 8 (to be performed at the time of building permit application)
With a tree/woodland removal less than allowable limits, there is no mitigation.
Recommendation
Staff is recommending approval of the Tree Preservation Plan as proposed with the following
conditions:
*To require that Tree Protective Measures (i.e. 4 foot polyethylene laminate safety netting be
installed at the Drip Line or at the perimeter of the Critical Root Zone, whichever is greater,
of significant trees/woodlands to be preserved.
•To require that the developer contact the City Forestry Division at least five days prior to the
issuance of the grading permit to ensure compliance with the approved Tree Preservation Plan.
*To require that Individual Lot Tree Preservation Plans be submitted at the time of Building
Permit Application for Lots 6, 7, and 8.
WATER QUALITYIWETLANDS
This proposed development lies on the southwest shore of Blackhawk lake. One of the lots
borders the portion of Blackhawk Lake classified as Class I direct contact recreation. Four other
lots front on a bay at the far west end of the lake (BP- 1.2) designated as a Class VII storm
water basin. The average size of the riparian lots is about 2.5 acres, and the average size of all
lots in the development (lots with and without lake access) Is about 1.8 acres.
Runoff from the cul-de-sac serving the three western-most lots will discharge directly to
Blackhawk lake through a tie-In with an existing stormsewer. Runoff from the Impervious
surfaces of the remainder of the development will discharge to Pond BP- 1.2, also through a tie-
in with an existing storm sewer. Because of the small size and low density nature of the
development, extreme topography, and the abundance of significant trees, on-site ponding is
not a viable alternative. Thus, staff recommends a cash dedication for water quality mitigation
based on the area of the development excluding the already developed lot (Lot 2). There are
no wetlands on the parcel other than the wetland complex associated with Blackhawk lake, and
no wetland filling or draining is proposed by the developer.
Blackhawk Lake Is designated as a recreation development lake in the City's shoreland zoning
ordinance, and this development is subject to regulation under that ordinance because of its
proximity to Blackhawk lake. While the Department of Community Development and the
Advisory Planning Commission have the responsibility to administer this ordinance as part of
the City zoning code, it is appropriate for the APRNRC to review a few key issues. This
development will require variances from the shoreland zoning regulations in order to proceed.
The three western most lots will be on septic systems and therefore will need a variance from
the 10 acre minimum lot size in the ordinance. Lou 5-8 will also need a variance from the lot
width/riparian lot frontage requirements. While the merits of these requests for variance will
be evaluated by the APC and the City Council (in part based on a consideration of hardship),
the Commission may want to recommend some other considerations. One such consideration
Is the conveyance to the City of a restrictive conservation easement to provide additional
protection of the shoreline and adjacent upland. Staff has introduced this possibility to the
developers and they seem receptive as long as there are some provisions for lot owners to gain
access to the lakeshore. This Issue can be discussed in more detail at the February 24
Commission meeting.
RECOMMENDATIONS
The development shall be subject to a cash water quality dedication based on the area and
development density of all lots excluding Lot 2 which is already developed.
A conservation easement shall be secured to provide protection of riparian and adjacent upland
areas along Blackhawk lake as a condition of any variance granted under the shoreland zoning
regulations. The area covered in the conservation easement should extend a minimum of 100
feet back from the OHW of Blackhawk Lake.
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Advisory Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission
February 24, 1997 Meeting
Consent Agenda
HOMESTEAD VILLAGE, INC. - PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT
1. This development shall be responsible for a cash parks dedication.
2. This development shall be responsible for a cash trails dedication and a change will be made to
the master trail plan to reflect a trail that will extend to the south of this development and
connect to the Promenade development and Northwood Drive.
OR
This development shall be responsible for a cash trails dedication and the developer shall provide
sufficient road right-of-way to construct a smaller trail/sidewalk segment north of the entrance
road extending to Lone Oak Road.
OR
Other as identified by the Commission.
3. No Tree Preservation Plan is required for this application.
4. The following alterations shall be made to the landscape plan:
Wider spacing of Colorado Blue spruce and Fraser Fir trees,
Wider spacing or alternating species of oak trees along Interstate Drive (Denmark)
Sufficient soil preparation or alternate species selection of maple trees north of parking lot.
5. Water quality mitigation obligations shall be met through on-site ponding. The pond design
should be modified so that the mean depth of the pond is no less than 3 feet. A skimmer of
acceptable design to the City should be installed on the outlet.
city of eagan MEMO
TO: ADVISORY PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES
COMMISSION
FROM: KEN VRAA, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION
DATE: FEBRUARY 19, 1997
RE: HOMESTEAD VILLAGE, INC.
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT
BACKGROUND
Homestead Village is requesting approval of a Preliminary Planed Development to
construct a three story, 133 unit extended stay hotel on 3.96 acres on the southeast
corner of 1-35E and Lone Oak Road at Denmark Avenue (previously Hampton Drive and
shown on the plans as Interstate Drive). The site is located in the northeast '/4 of Section
10, and is currently platted as Lots 1 and 2, Block 1, Eagandale Center Industrial Park
No. 9.
In 1988, a Planned Development was approved for this property which provided for the
construction of a a 123 room hotel and a restaurant. The intended hotel, Hampton Inn,
has since been constructed on another nearby site west of I-35E. The current proposal
consolidates the two lots and proposes construction of a 133 unit three story hotel and
no restaurant. The applicant will be vacating necessary easement and replatting the
property into a single lot.
The parking lot surrounds the building and the building's main entrance is oriented
toward Lone Oak Road. A single driveway access is provided to Denmark Avenue.
Sidewalks are shown within the site and provide a connection to the public trail along the
south side of Lone Oak Road. The developer also proposes a sidewalk within the
Denmark Avenue right of way along the full length of the property.
PARKS AND TRAILS DEDICATION
This developer has shown a sidewalk on the east/southeast portion of the development
in anticipation that Interstate Drive (now called Denmark) will extend to the south and
connect to the Promenade development and Northwood Drive. In reviewing the trails
dedication for this development, the Commission may want to consider if this trail
segment is integral to the overall trail system plan. Consideration should also be given
to the overall development that may occur between this hotel and the Promenade.
Should the Commission decide this would be an important link, the trails system plan
should be updated to reflect this change. In considering this recommendation, the
developer would be responsible for a cash trails dedication so that the City can install
this trail as development continues to the south.
Another option may be that the developer should be responsible for installing a
sidewalk north of the entrance road extending to Lone Oak Road, which would allow
pedestrians to connect to an existing trail on Lone Oak. In this case, a cash trails
dedication would also be required along with the developer providing sufficient road
right-of-way to construct the smaller trail/sidewalk segment.
This development would be responsible for a cash parks dedication.
TREE PRESERVATION
The site of this planned development amendment for Homestead Village, Inc., is
located on Lots 1 and 2, Eagandale Center Industrial Park #9, SW of the intersection
of Hampton Drive and Lone Oak Road in the NE 1 /4 of Section 10. The site has
previously been cleared and graded, probably with the construction of I-35E.
Significant Vegetation
There is no significant vegetation on this site.
Additional Concerns
Following staff review of the submitted landscape plan, recommendations are provided:
a. The following tree species appear to be spaced too closely to allow for
sufficient width growth to maturity, Colorado Blue Spruce and Fraser Fir.
Spacing should be at least 12 feet apart.
b. Ten Red Oak are shown to be installed along Interstate Drive at a spacing of
40' on center. To minimize the possibility of future disease transmission
(oak wilt) through grafted root systems, red oaks should be planted no closer
than 50' on center, or should be alternated with other oak species.
c. A row of eight Sugar Maple are planned to be installed north of the
proposed parking lot. This species performs very poorly in compacted soil
with limited root space (typical of construction sites). If proper site
preparation is not performed before the installation of these trees, a more
vigorous maple cultivator or a different species should be considered for this
area.
Recommendation
No Tree Preservation Plan is required for this application.
Make the following alterations to the landscape plan:
a. wider spacing of Colorado Blue Spruce and Fraser Fir trees,
b. wider spacing or alternating species of oak trees along Interstate Drive,
c. sufficient soil preparation or alternate species selection of maple trees north
of parking lot
WATER QUALITY/WETLANDS
This development will generate runoff that will eventually reach LeMay Lake. Though
the development parcel is relatively small, the intensive nature of development, its
location in a high priority drainage, and the fact that some on-site ponding is needed for
flood volume control make it appropriate to recommend on-site ponding for water
quality mitigation. While the pond shown on the revised plans dated 2-3-97 contains
sufficient wet volume for the development, its average depth is 2 feet instead of the
minimum 3 feet required in the City's pond design standards. Thus, staff recommends
that the grading for the pond be modified to meet this depth requirement. There are no
jurisdictional wetlands within the parcel.
Recommendations
Water quality mitigation obligations should be met through on-site ponding. The pond
design should be modified so that the mean depth of the pond is no less than 3 feet A
skimmer of acceptable design to the City should be installed on the outlet.
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TO: ADVISORY PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES
COMMISSION
FROM: KEN VRAA, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION
DATE: FEBRUARY 20, 1997
RE: FIELD MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT
DAKOTA HILLS MIDDLE SCHOOL
ISSUE:
To review and make a recommendation on a proposed field maintenance agreement between
the Parks and Recreation Department and Dakota Hills Middle School for the ballfields at
Dakota Hills.
BACKGROUND:
Principal Pat Sullivan and Assistant Principal Jim De Long of Dakota Hills Middle School have
previously requested that the City consider doing the complete care and maintenance of the
schools ballfields consistent with the standards of Eagan's parks. As Jim DeLong has said in
discussing the proposal, " We want you to treat our fields as if they were a city park facility".
HISTORY:
The City and school district have had a long relationship of working together to benefit the
community and tax payer. For example, the property where Woodlands Elementary School
and Mueller Farm Park are located was acquired through a joint purchase. A development,
maintenance and use agreement exist between the city and the district for this property which
provides playfields and play equipment for children during school hours and use by the
community during non school hours.
With the construction of Eagan High and Dakota Hills, an agreement was struck allowing the
schools to use Northview Athletic Fields and in return, the community uses the schools facilities
for community programs. The school district paid for a very significant portion of the eleven
tennis courts located at Northview. For many years the department has dragged ballfields at all
the school locations in the city. There are numerous other examples of joint utilization and
sharing of facilities, equipment and expertise.
The EAA has also participated in some situations in which field Improvements have been made,
contributing funds for bench Installation, pitching rubbers and home plates.
REQUEST:
In making the request to the City to perform the field maintenance, Jim Delong noted that
they do not have the proper equipment or knowledge base to do many of the tasks associated
with the fields maintenance. As a result, some of the fields are slowly deteriorating. Tasks
such as rebuilding the pitching mounds or re-blading the infield take both an experienced staff
and the right equipment. The school is concerned about the safety and condition of the fields
without proper care.
The City would maintain the turf and infields for four ballfields, overlay soccer fields and the
football fields. We would not take care of the Irrigation system at this time. Mr. DeLong has
noted that Eagan's fields are in good playing condition and would like the City to apply the
same level of care and attention to the school fields. He is also concerned that the fields be in
good condition for the schools' use in the spring and during the summer when the community
uses them, therefore the maintenance would occur during the summer as well as during the
school year.
DRAFT AGREEMENT:
Staff recently met with the two principals to review the various types of routine maintenance,
time lines for work and tasks that are not routine in nature to insure there is a good
understanding as to what is required. We also believe that if the city were to proceed, it
should be with the understanding that it be for a minimum of two years so the program can be
properly evaluated.
As you will note from the attached draft, the City would bill the school for the work
performed at a rate that covers labor and equipment cost. Supplies, such as additional infield
material, would be a cost to the school. If the agreement is finalized, it would commence this
spring.
DISCUSSION:
The request for continued maintenance on the school fields is somewhat unusual. However,
given the school district/City's past collaborative efforts, perhaps not. Dakota Hills is willing to
pay the City to do this work. Given the City's equipment and knowledge base, we can probably
do it cheaper then school staff who have to split time between grounds and building
maintenance. Staff has some concern for becoming stretched too thin given the current
staffing and parks responsibility. Some staff shifting would be required and the addition or
expansion of seasonal staff hours would be necessary to make this program work.
There is the simple question to be answered: How does the City benefit from this? The answer
to this Is hard to quantify, but can be responded to by saying that better maintained fields in
the summer benefit the youth baseball/softball programs. There have been times when the
community has complained vigorously about the length of grass and other field conditions. If
the school took the attitude that the fields need only be playable when school is In session, and
the summer use does not matter, it's very likely the community would not use them. Fewer
school fields means the community would look to the City to build additional fields elsewhere.
That was the case with some of the fields at, Metcalf Jr. High. Staff believes that a case can be
made for this being an economic benefit to the City in this unique situation.
The position can also be made that perhaps this agreement goes one step too far in the
relationship between the school and city. There are other schools in Eagan and would we do
the same for them if requested?
FOR COMMISSION ACTION:
It would be appropriate for the Advisory Commission to review this issue and it's Implications
for the City and community. A recommendation to the City Council would be appropriate.
MEMO TO: Mr. Jim DeLong
Assistant Principal
Dakotah Hills Middle School
FROM: Eagan Park and Recreation Department
DATE: February 19, 1997
SUBJECT: Letter of Understanding, Cooperative Maintenance Program
The City of Eagan and Independent School District # 196 have determined that the athletic fields
located at the Dakotah Hills Middle School are an important component of both school and
athletic association-sponsored athletic activities. Whereas the City and School District have also
agreed that athletic programs, and subsequently the community, would benefit from an increased
level of field maintenance and that the School District does not currently have the necessary
manpower or equipment to accomplish this. Therefore, the City has agreed to provide the
resources necessary to maintain the fields under the following terms and conditions:
A. The City shall provide the manpower and equipment necessary to carry out the selected
activities of a field and turf maintenance program as described in Addendum #1. The
specific activities of the maintenance program shall be identified through consultation with
the School District.
B. The City shall be solely responsible for the scheduling of City manpower and equipment
after consultation with the School District. Every effort will be made to accommodate
school activity schedules, though conflicts may result.
C. All work approved by the School District and completed by the City will be billed to the
School District monthly on a "time and materials" basis utilizing the unit fees and charges
as established by the City of Eagan in the approved 1997 fee schedule. The 1997 fee
schedule is detailed in Addendum #2.
In future years of the agreement, the most current fee schedule shall be made part of this
agreement as Addendum #2 and become the basis for the calculation of any charges.
D. The actual cost of any materials used to maintain the turf or fields will be borne by the
School District.
E. Should the needs of the City or community require a re-allocation of manpower or
equipment, the City reserves the right to temporarily modify or discontinue the
maintenance program. The City will make every effort to notify the school district in a
timely manner.
F. The City or School District may render this letter of understanding null and void by
providing the other party with a two-week written notice. Said notice will pertain only to
this agreement.
G. Each party shall hold the other harmless for any claims or causes of action that may arise
from the use or maintenance of the school site, except for any claim or cause of action
arising out of any intentional act or gross negligent conduct. Each party shall be
responsible for maintaining appropriate liability insurance.
H. This letter of understanding shall be effective from , 9_, to
9_
For the City of Eagan:
Date:
Title
For School District # 196:
Date:
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Table 1
1997 MAINTENANCE RATES
PER APPROVED CITY FEE SCHEDULE
FIELD & TURF MAINTENANCE EQUIPMENT
• Pick-Up Truck $ 22 @ Hr.
• 1-Ton Dump Truck $ 23 @ Hr.
• Single-Axle Dump Truck $ 32 @ Hr,
• Tractor (W/ or W/O Grader or Drag) $ 15 @ Hr.
• Skid Steer $ 35 @ Hr.
• Tank Truck $ 40 @ Hr.
• Groundsmaster 72 Mower $ 22 @ Hr.
• 455 Mower $ 26 @ Hr.
• 580 Mower $ 36 @ Hr.
• Lining Cart/Utility Truckster $ 10 @ Hr.
• Power Top-Dresser $ 10 @ Hr.
Maintenance Staff (Supplied by City)
• Maintenance Staff Person $ 23 @ Hr.
• Seasonal Staff Person $ 10 @ Hr.
Estimated Materials Costs
• Acquired by School District
- Field Ag-lime $ 12 @ Ton
- Mound Clay $ 14 @ Yard
• Available Through the City
Lining Paint $ 5.00 @ Field
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DAKOTA HILLS MIDDLE SCHOOL
COOPERATIVE FIELD/TURF MAINTENANCE PROGRAM
CITY ACTIVITY SUMMARY
Mode I Recommendation
Total Acreage = 20 acres
Activity Area = 4 baseball fields
= 1 soccer/football field
A) TURF MAINTENANCE
1) Mowing and trimming
• Mow large turf areas with high capacity rotary 2 times a week
• Mow edges and borders with small rotary mower 1 time a week
• Trim around obstacles with hand mower and trimmer 1 times a week
2) Fertilization
• Apply granular, slow release fertilizer with 3 times a season
rotary spreader (May, July, Oct.)
3) Aeration
• Core aeration of athletic areas 2 times a season
(May, Sept.)
4) Topdressing (Optional, to be determined)
• Application of granular mix with rotary spreader 1 application
(Sept.)
5) Overseeding (Optional, to be determined) I application
• Athletic quality mix seeded with slicer seeder (Sept.)
B) Field Maintenance
1) Spring renovation 1 time a year
• Grade, fill and level infields (April)
• Redefine baseline and infield edges
• Reshape pitching mound
• Miscellaneous
2) Field enhancement (Optional, to be determined)
• Grade and level infields 1 time a year
• Reshape pitching mounds (June/July)
• Miscellaneous
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3) Field dragging/daily preparation
• Mechanical dragging of infield surfaces Each day
*NOTE: School District to line for school games.
City to line for EAA games
4) Striping of fields
Paint lining of foul lines and game lines on ball fields 1 time a week
and game fields
C) Miscellaneous
1) Trash removal
• Pick up and dispose of refuse from scheduled EAA events
2) Irrigation system management
• Provides consultation on installations, repairs and operation
3) Other maintenance (Optional)
• Additional maintenance provided per request
• Dependent upon the availability of city staff
*NOTE: The cost of providing the described maintenance functions shall be
determined by the approved City Fee Schedule
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PROPOSED DHMS FIELD MAINTENANCE PROGRAM
ESTIMATED COSTS - MODE I LEVEL
Notes
• Based upon an estimated area of 20 acres including 4 baseball fields and 1 football/soccer
field
• Unit cost determined by Fee Schedule (1997)
- Annual Cost -
L Turf Maintenance
A. Mowing/trimming (2 times a week)
(1) Labor = $ 2,300
(2) Equipment = $ 8.000
Sub-Total = $10,300
B. Fertilization (3 applications)
(1) Labor = $ 600
(2) Equipment = $ 760
(3) Materials = $ 3.100
Sub-Total = $ 4,520
C. Aeration (2 times a year)
(1) Labor = $ 275
(2) Equipment = $ 265
Sub-Total = $ 540
D. Top Dressing (1 application) optional
(1) Labor = $ 185
(2) Equipment = $ 120
(3) Materials = $ 2.400
Sub-Total = $ 2,705
E. Overseeding (Fall) Optional
(1) Labor = $ 185
(2) Equipment = $ 120
(3) Materials = $ 2.000
Sub-Total = $ 2,305
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LI. Field Maintenance
A. Spring Renovation
(1) Labor = $ 3,680
(2) Equipment = $ 3,280
(3) Materials = $ 1.130
Sub-Total = $ 8,090
B. Field Enhancement (each event)
(1) Labor = $ 1,150
(2) Equipment = $ 1,390
(3) Materials = $ 480
Sub-Total = $ 2,975
C. Event Preparation - School Sponsored
(1) Striping (Paint on turf)
(a) Labor = $ 200
(b) Equipment = $ 320
(c) Materials = $ 400
Sub-Total = $ 920
(2) Dragging Infields
(a) Labor = $ 500
(b) Equipment = $ 750
Sub-Total = $ 1,250
NOTE: Each event
Stripe = $75 Incl. all fields
Drag = $25
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city of eagan MEMO
TO: ADVISORY PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCE
COMMISSION
FROM: KEN VRAA, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION
RECREATION SUB-COMMITTEE
kf DOROTHY PETERSON, SUPERINTENDENT OF RECREATION
RECREATION STAFF, PAULA NOWARIAK AND ]ON OYANAGI
DATE: FEBRUARY 19, 1997
RE: PETITION PROCESS
Background
At the December 16, 1996, Advisory Parks, Recreation and Natural Resource Commission
Meeting the subject of a petition process was referred to the Recreation Sub-Committee. Staff
has reviewed handling of petitions with other City departments and the Recreation Sub-
Committee discussed the topic on January 27, 1997.
Facts
• City code makes no reference to the process for citizen petition for facility, feature or service.
• The Engineering Division of Public Works had developed a procedure for requests for stop
signs. The procedure has three facets.
1. The petition must be signed by 1 /3 of affected property owners.
2. Staff is authorized to inform the petitioner that based on experience and studies the
site will likely not meet state warrants to merit a stop sign.
3. The petitioner may request an appeal to the City Council at any time.
Discussion
The Recreation Sub-Committee discussed formal and informal options concerning petitions. The
consensus was that guidelines should be user friendly, provide information that enables a
potential petitioner to address an issue, avoiding emotional and unrelated concerns.
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The Recreation Sub-Committee recommends that petition guidelines be adopted in the following
form. The piece may be used as a handout to a potential petitioner or over the telephone by staff
when responding to an inquiry for which a petition is appropriate.
PETITION GUIDELINES
The Department of Parks and Recreation is offering this model to assist residents who indicate an
interest in petitioning the Department for a facility, park feature or recreational activity.
A petition is a request for the City to consider. The following information is required:
• The petition should clearly identify what is being requested.
• The petition should address a single question.
• The petition should state what action is being requested.
• The petition should identify a time frame, i.e. date of petition.
• The petition should name whom it is requesting action from, if known.
• The petition should recognize parties concerned with the issue; name, address.
• The petition should include signatures of 1 /3 of property owners affected by the outcome of
the petition.
• Upon receipt of the petition, Department staff will within a week to ten days communicate to
the petitioner:
-a time line for staff review.
-whether the petition has been referred to another department.
-a date for Advisory Commission review, if appropriate.
For Commission Action
It is appropriate that the Commission review the guidelines as presented, amend if necessary and
adopt the guidelines for use in the department.
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city of eagan MEMO
TO: ADVISORY PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL
RESOURCES COMMISSION
FROM: KEN VRAA, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION
DATE: FEBRUARY 18, 1997
RE: 1997 WORK PROGRAM
ISSUE
This item appears on the Commission Agenda as an opportunity for Commission
Members to discuss and identify what the commission might consider as its work
program for the coming year.
BACKGROUND
Each year the Commission identifies projects or activities that it would like to become
Involved in. Sometimes these projects extend over several months while others may be
a single event. Obviously, the flow of the Commission's agenda will be Influenced to a
great degree by the community and various development proposals. Nevertheless, the
Commission should identify those activities it would like to become involved in and
provide staff with some direction as to priorities.
CARRY OVER ITEMS
There are a number of Items that can be considered as carry over from last year's work
agenda. They include the following:
• The lawn chemical control ordinance
• Update of the CIP for parks development
• Dakota Hills Middle School facility maintenance agreement
• Child protection policy
• Central park/facility study
• Visits to other communities community centers
FOR COMMISSION ACTION
The Commission may wish to take a few minutes to identify what they have an interest
in becoming involved in and prioritize those activities.
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TO: ADVISORY PARKS, RECREATION, AND NATURAL RESOURCES
COMMISSION
FROM: RICH BRASCH, WATER RESOURCES COORDINATOR
DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION
RE: OUTCOME OF MEETING WITH COMMERCIAL LAWN APPLICATORS;
OPTIONS FOR FUTURE ACTION
DATE: FEBRUARY 17, 1997
Introduction
At a joint meeting of the City Council and the Advisory Parks, Recreation, and Natural Resources
Commission on December 4, 1996, there was a discussion concerning the possible adoption of a
lawn chemical control ordinance as an aid in reducing phosphorus loading to lakes. The draft
ordinance was aimed primarily at licensing of commercial applicators. Commercial applicators
service about one-third of the residential lawns in Eagan and most commercial and industrial
property. After some discussion, it was agreed that it would be helpful for staff to meet with
potentially affected commercial applicators regarding the issue. On January 17, City staff sent a
letter to 15 commercial applicators who service this area inviting them to a January 30 meeting
with staff to discuss a variety of issues. All Commission members received a copy of the letter
and the mailing list. Following is a brief summary of the meeting as well as an outline of future
options for action on this issue.
Meeting Summary
Of the 15 commercial applicators invited to attend, 3 notified staff that they would not be able to
attend because of scheduling conflicts. All expressed an interest in keeping abreast of any
ordinance the City is considering adopting but also mentioned that compliance with the fertilizer
control ordinances adopted by other communities in the Twin Cities did not present any
insurmountable problems for their firm. One representative mentioned that an ordinance aimed
only at regulation of commercial applicators could be construed as "picking on" one group.
Only one commercial applicator, Dave Hope representing Barefoot Grass, attended the January
30 meeting. In addition to Dave, Charlotte Shover of the Dakota County Extension office and
Mark Zabel from the Mn Department of Agriculture attended. After a discussion of the
components of a possible ordinance, Dave indicated that his company would have no problem
complying with an ordinance built around that framework. Dave indicated that his firm has also
developed the capability to do soil testing to tailor the fertilizer applications to the nutrient needs
of the soil, although that testing is now done only on an as-requested basis. Some minor changes
to the ordinance were suggested which would affect the phosphorus content and application date
components. We also discussed the most effective way to resolve problems with fertilizer and
pesticide/herbicide applications in the field if we see them. Dave and Mark both suggested
contacting both the local manager of the company as well as the licensing and enforcement
personnel at the Department of Agriculture to report a problem. In addition, we agreed it would
be a good idea to communicate directly with commercial lawn care company representatives in
March to brief them on the community's goals for proper lawn practices to protect the
environment, identify what messages the community is sending to residents in this regard, and
solicit the cooperation of the company.
Options for Future Action
There are two options the Commission may wish to consider in forwarding to the City Council a
recommendation for future action on the lawn chemical control ordinance issue. They are as
follows:
1. Pursue adoption of lawn chemical control ordinance. The commercial applicators with
whom we communicated had no significant opposition to adoption of an ordinance
following the conceptual framework discussed during the last several months. However,
the City will need to act quickly if an ordinance is to be ready for this spring. While non-
zoning ordinances such as this one can become effective upon adoption and publishing by
the City Council, it is possible that the Council may want outside review and comment
before it votes on the issue.
2. Increase efforts to solicit voluntary cooperation from commercial applicators and
postpone consideration of ordinance adoption for at least one ,Year. City staff would seek
to improve communication with commercial lawn care companies regarding City
objectives for phosphorus control and the role of the commercial applicators in reaching
those objectives. In addition, staff would make a more concerted efforts to identify and
resolve problems in the field through systematic, periodic reviews of field operations this
summer. Adoption of an ordinance could be re-considered after evaluation of this effort.
Staff anticipates that a recommendation from the Commission would be forwarded to the City
Council for consideration at their March 4 meeting or at a future Council/Commission workshop.
Rich Brasch
Water Resources Coordinator
cc. Ken Vraa
TO: ADVISORY PARKS, RECREATION, AND NATURAL RESOURCES
COMMISSION
FROM: RICH BRASCH, WATER RESOURCES COORDINATOR
DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION
RE: UPDATE ON ALUM DOSING COMPONENT OF FISH LAKE PHASE II
PROJECT
DATE: FEBRUARY 18, 1997
Background/Issue
Staff intends to update the Commission on the status of the Fish Lake dosing project at the February 24
meeting. Members of the Natural Resources Subcommittee have been briefed periodically on this
issue, but there have been some developments during the past several weeks that staff believes may be
of interest to the entire Commission.
Attached for background purposes is a "discussion" memo staff have sent to the Mn Pollution Control
Agency regarding several key issues on which the project hinges. While the memo is replete with
technical jargon and assumes some familiarity with the details of the project, I think the key messages
are discernable if Commission members keep in mind a few key points as they read it. First, in order
to use alum (aluminum sulfate) to remove phosphorus from the storm sewer inflows to Fish Lake, we
need to convince regulatory authorities that a relaxation in the criteria for aluminum in waters of the
state is necessary and justified. The current criteria will allow us to achieve only about one third to one
half of the phosphorus removal we need to meet our water quality target for Fish Lake. There is an
abundance of information that indicates an increase in the criteria for aluminum to a level that would be
necessary to achieve our target removals would pose little toxic risk to aquatic life. However, the
technical basis for the adjustment in the criteria remains an issue and MnPCA remains concerned about
the "precedence" that such a change would set.
Second, any permit we receive from the State to operate a dosing system will probably be of limited
duration until the effectiveness and impact of operation of the system is evaluated. These are obviously
issues of concern to the City as well. Staff have outlined a proposal which attempts to balance the
financial obligations of the City for construction, operation, and maintenance/monitoring of the system
with the possible limited duration of the permit.
Commission Action Requested
This is intended to be primarily an informational item. However, staff is interested in feedback from
Commission members regarding whether the strategy outlined under the bullets on the second and
third pages of the memo is reasonable. No formal action is requested.
Rich Brasch
Water Resources Coordinator
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TO: Mark Tomasek, MnPCA
FROM: Rich Brasch, City of Eagan
RE: Fish Lake Alum Dosing Project
DATE: February 17, 1997
Thanks very much for your efforts in setting up the meeting with the MnDNR and the Ramsey-
Washington Metro Watershed District representatives to discuss the alum dosing proposals for
the respective projects. I certainly gained much more insight into what it will take to get the Fish
Lake dosing proposal off the ground and continue to believe that we have a near ideal situation at
Fish Lake for a long-term alum dosing project, both from a technical as well as an
institutional/policy aspect.
I wanted to send along my thoughts on some approaches the City could take regarding agency
adoption of a site-specific total aluminum criteria that would allow the Fish Lake dosing proposal
to proceed with reasonable assurance that we can reach our phosphorus load reduction goals.
Here are some ideas to further our discussion;
1. I think the site-specific total aluminum criteria adopted for Tanners Lake (monthly
average of 575 ppb) applied at the outlet of Pond JP-47 would allow us to dose at the
level needed to achieve our target phosphorus load reduction goals for Fish Lake. One
approach would be to directly transfer that criteria from Tanners Lake to Fish Lake. This
would assume that the biota of Fish and Tanners lakes are similarly capable of
withstanding this higher aluminum concentration. Since both appear to be highly
impacted urban lake systems at present, it is hard to argue that this is not the case. In
addition, our work so far indicates the elevated total aluminum concentrations resulting
from the dosing operation would be composed almost entirely of bound or particulate
aluminum and that dissolved aluminum concentrations in treated water discharged to Fish
Lake (and likely to Pond JP-47 as well) would be well below the aquatic criteria
2. As was acknowledged at our meeting, the City's diligent application of both structural
and non-structural BMP's has likely reduced the total aluminum and phosphorus content
of the water at the Hurley Lake lift station and helped create the dilemma we now face.
As the diagnostic/feasibility study for Fish Lake pointed out, the relatively low
phosphorus concentrations means that the only option we have to get a further significant
reduction in loading from this portion of the watershed is chemical treatment of inflows,
and the probable reduction of total aluminum concentrations has removed the basis for
development of a site-specific total aluminum standard using the Tanners Lake project
approach. However, I suspect that runoff from the direct drainage to Fish Lake could be
significantly higher in total aluminum than the discharge from Hurley Lake. If so, might
the agency be willing to consider these concentrations as a basis for development of site-
specific criteria to apply at the outlet of JP-47?
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3. I understand the agency's reluctance to adopt a site-specific criteria using a
procedure/justification that could be too widely applied. I think there are several pre-
requisites that could be applied to head off an assumed flood of requests for similar
"exceptions to the rule". First, the agency could require that an agency-approved
diagnostic/feasibility study and implementation plan be developed that shows
conclusively that chemical dosing of inflows is the most cost-effective alternative for
reaching in-lake water quality goals. I think both the Tanners Lake and Fish Lake
projects have met this test. Second, the agency could adopt a policy that because these
are experimental projects whose cost-effectiveness and environmental impact have not
been fully evaluated in the cold Minnesota climate, only a limited number will be allowed
to proceed for a specified multi-year period until these evaluations are complete. This
"moratorium" approach has been used with some frequency by local governmental units
when dealing with subdivision requests that they are simply not equipped to handle at the
time. Third, the agency could require full implementation of conventional BMP's in the
watershed for a specified period of time prior to considering chemical treatment of
inflows as an alternative. Eagan has been practicing on-site ponding, public education,
intensive street-sweeping, and other BMP's in the Fish Lake watershed since 1990 when
the water quality management plan was adopted, and the City is a recognized leader in
urban lake management. One final note; I wonder how many organizations are really
going to be serious about pursuing chemical inflow treatment when they understand the
full costs of construction, operation, and maintenance of these systems.
My preference is to adopt an approach that recognizes our efforts are aimed at managing an
already highly degraded urban system which requires balancing a number of benefits and
impacts. For Fish Lake specifically, it seems prudent to take into account that the likely
ecological and societal benefits of improving lake water quality would far outweigh the potential
impacts of somewhat elevated total aluminum loading associated with the dosing scenario
proposed. However, as Steve McComas mentioned in our meeting, we won't actually know the
trade-off in these benefits and costs until we've had a chance to run and monitor system
effectiveness and impacts over the intermediate to long term. To that end, here are some
guidelines for what I think it's going to take to get the Fish Lake dosing project off the ground
from the City's standpoint;
• A minimum five-year permit to operate the dosing system on a test basis. This
should give us adequate time to detect significant long-term trends in lake water
quality if there are going to be any. In addition, the cost for design and
construction of the dosing station is estimated at about $40,000 in 1993 dollars.
Given the cost of other capital improvement expenditures for the Eagan program,
it is my judgement that this would be perceived as a reasonable expenditure on the
part of the City even if the project did not operate for more than five years.
However, at annualized costs of $15,000/year ($9,000/year annualized capital cost
and $6,000/year 0 & M), plus monitoring costs, it will by no means be perceived
as inexpensive by the City Council for a project with a five-year term so we will
need to have our "ducks in a row" when we approach them for final approval.
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• High enough total aluminum criteria applied to the outlet of Pond JP-47 so that we
can operate over the term of the project at our proposed dosing rate of 800-1000
ug AM and not be in violation of the criteria. The pilot dosing project suggested
an aluminum removal efficiency of approximately 40% in Pond JP-47. Thus, a
total aluminum standard between 480 and 600 ug/l applied at the outlet of Pond
JP-47 would likely be enough to allow dosing at the recommended rates. There is
ample information available that shows that the increase in chronic toxicity risk
associated with raising the total aluminum criteria applied at the outlet of Pond
JP-47 from 262 ug/l to 500-600 ug/1 is minimal. I think there are also some
relatively inexpensive methods we can employ to try to enhance total aluminum
removal efficiencies in JP-47, such as installing temporary baffles to better
disperse flow between the inlet and outlet. We do not want to have to incur the
expense (about $75,000) of excavating JP-47 in an attempt to increase floc
removal at this stage of an experimental project that may not be allowed to
continue beyond 5 years.
There is a good possibility that the un-developed upland above Pond JP-47 could be developed at
some point during the five-year test period for the dosing operation, allowing the City to secure
land for a floc settling basin by requiring a land dedication through the development approval
process. To secure the land now would require condemnation, which the City feels is
prohibitively expensive. Again, it would be a difficult task to convince the City Council that this
expense is warranted now when we don't know whether the dosing system should or can operate
beyond five years.
In closing, I want to again reiterate the City's commitment to implementing an alum dosing
project to enhance Fish Lake as a local and regional recreational resource. We also believe that it
may well be in the best interests of state lake management to implement a few of these projects
so that they can be rigorously evaluated to better define the role this practice can play in
protection and enhancement of Minnesota's aquatic resources.
Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any questions or need more information now from us.
Thanks for your interest and efforts on our behalf, Mark.
Rich Brasch
Water Resources Coordinator
TO: ADVISORY PARKS, RECREATION, AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
FROM: RICH BRASCH, WATER RESOURCES COORDINATOR
DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION
RE: PARTICIPATION IN TORO ENVIRONMENTAL SOLUTIONS PROGRAM
DATE: FEBRUARY 19, 1997
Introduction/Background
The Dakota Environmental Education Coordinator has approached the City of Eagan to determine if we
would be interested in participating in the TORO Company's Environmental Solutions Program to promote
the use of mulching mowers. The primary intent of the program is to reduce the amount of grass clippings
disposed of through the solid waste system. However, there are other environmental benefits as well.
Mulching of grass clippings usually reduces the need to apply fertilizer and consequently reduces the
potential for fertilizer mis-application. In addition, keeping grass clippings on the lawn means they are kept
off pavement. Both help protect water quality.
Participation in the program involves promoting use by residents of TORO's mulching mowers for several
months. The City would be involved in holding a kick-off seminar and advertising/promoting the program.
Interested residents then arrange with a local TORO dealer to use the mowers for 1-2 months on a trial
basis. In return for using the mowers free of charge, the participating residents agree to put up signage that
indicates they are a "Mulching Mower Demonstration Yard" and answer questions from interested
neighbors regarding the use of the mowers. Residents then have the option of purchasing the mower from
the dealer at a discount at the conclusion of the demonstration program. City staff time to coordinate the
program is estimated at 25-35 hours, and it is not anticipated that any significant cash outlay would be
necessary on the part of the City. The City's effort would be part of a larger county-wide effort through
which common environmental messages would be promoted.
Issue
The issue before the Commission is whether the City should participate in this program. Commission
members may wish to consider the potential environmental benefits of the program, whether those benefits
are consistent with the City's environmental management objectives, and whether participation in the
program could be construed as an inappropriate endorsement of one company's product.
For Commission Action
It would be appropriate for the Commission to decide on a recommendation to the City Council regarding
whether the City should participate in this program or not.
Rich Brasch
Water Resources Coordinator
GJ3
WINTER
WARMING
HOUSE
SURVEY
by Benjamin
Ryan
Duvick
February 24, 1997
Purpose: The purpse of the survey is to receive feedback from the users of the outdoor skating
rinks and facilities that are within the city of Eagan. This inforamtion can be used to determine if
the rinks and buildings are serving their purpose.
This survey began in the first week of January and ended on February 24, 1997. It took
approximatley 3 days to think and devise a plan of action and put it on paper. The next task was
to visit all the sites that have a rink in Eagan. This started the second week of January and was
completed the first week of February. The main goal was to survey 100 indiviuals. There were
only 77 that were chosen. The rate at which someone was selected was every fifth new person
that walked through the door of the warming house. This was not entirley possible because some
sites only brought in 3 or 4 individuals. The choice was made to interview all of the visitors. Time
approximately spent at the sites was 25 hours. The next phase of the survey was to tally up all of
the answers. This took approximatly 45 hours because of the many different points of view that
was gained in this project. The final step was to write up the finds, which took approximately 60
hours, and present them to the Natural Resources and Parks and Recreation Commission
Board.
There was difficulty in finding an appropriate time to visit the sites. The weather plays a big factor
in the descision of skaters to attend the outdoor rinks. For about two weeks the rinks were not
open for more than 3 days in a row becaue of the cold then warm weather.
EAGAN PARKS & RECREATION WARMING HOUSE SURVEY #7
SITE:
1. AGE RANGE? 9 & UNDER 10-15 16-25 26-35 36-45 46-60 61 & UP
2. DO YOU LIVE IN EAGAN? YES NO IF NO
3. DO YOU USE THE "RECREATION HAPPENINGS HOTLINE"? YES NO
4. THE CITY OF EAGAN PROVIDES EACH WARMING HOUSE WITH STAFF, IN CASE OF AN
EMERGENCY OR IF YOU NEED QUESTIONS ANSWERED, CAN YOU IDENTIFY THAT PERSON?
YES NO
5. REASON FOR VISIT? PLEASURE (W/CHILD) ADULT LEAGUE CHILD LEAGUE
6. DISTANCE TRAVELED? LESS THAN MILE 1-2 MILES 3-4 MILES 5-6 7 OR MORE
7 HOW OFTEN DO YOU VISIT AN OUTDOOR RINK? DAYS/WEEK
8. WHICH DAY(S) OF THE WEEK DO YOU VISIT MOST OFTEN? S M T W TH F S
9. WHICH RINK DO YOU USE MOST OFTEN? PLESURE HOCKEY
10. WHICH OTHER RINKS IN EAGAN HAVE YOU SKATED?
11. REASON FOR THAT VISIT? PLEASURE (W/CHILD) ADULT LEAGUE CHILD'S LEAGUE
12. ARE THE HOURS THE WARMING HOUSE IS OPEN ADEQUATE FOR YOUR ACTIVITIES?
YES NO
RATE THIS SITE ON THE FOLLOWING. 1 = POOR - 5 = EXCELLENT
13. CLEANLINESS OF WARMING HOUSE? 1 2 3 4 5
14. FRIENDLINESS/APPEARANCE OF STAFF? 1 2 3 4 5
15. QUALITY OF ICE? 1 2 3 4 5
16. RULES? 1 2 3 4 5
17. WHAT NEW/ADDITIONAL PROGRAMS WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE OFFERED AT THE SKATING
RINKS?
18. WOULD YOU TRAVEL BEYOND YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD RINK TO ATTEND THESE
PROGRAMS? YES NO
19. IF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD RINK HAD A TRAILER FOR A WARMING HOUSE BUT A RINK
FURTHER AWAY HAD A PERMANENT BUILDING. WHICH WOULD YOU GO TO?
TRAILER BUILDING
20. HAVE YOU BEEN TO AN OUTDOOR RINK OUTSIDE OF EAGAN? YES NO
IF YES, PLEASE COMPARE EAGAN TO THE OTHER CITY.
1 = NEEDS MUCH IMPROVEMENT
2 = NEEDS IMPROVEMENT
3 = SAME
4 = BETTER
5 = MUCH BETTER
21. CLEANLINESS OF WARMING HOUSE? 1 2 3 4 5
22. FRIENDLINESS/APPEARANCE OF STAFF? 1 2 3 4 5
23. QUALITY OF ICE? 1 2 3 4 5
24. RULES? 1 2 3 4 5
25. IN RECENT YEARS SOME COMMUNITIES HAVE BEEN FORCED TO CLOSE SOME OF
THEIR WARMING HOUSES DUE TO BUDGETARY REASONS. IF EAGAN FELL INTO THIS
SITUATION WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST:
SHORTER HOURS FOR THE WARMING HOUSE
CLOSE ALL SITES ONE DAY A WEEK
CLOSE SITES THAT GET THE LEAST AMOUNT OF USE
SHORTEN THE SEASON - CLOSE ALL RINKS BY FEB. I
OTHER
26. IF EAGAN HAD TO CLOSE THE RINKS ONE DAY A WEEK WHICH DAY WOULD LEAST
AFFECT YOUR SKATING? S M T W TH F S
27. IF EAGAN WERE TO SHORTEN HOURS FOR THE WARMING HOUSE FOR BUDGETARY
REASONS, WHICH WOULD AFFECT YOUR ACTIVITY LEAST?
CLOSE AT 8:00 PM
OPEN AT NOON ON SATURDAYS
OPEN AT 6:00 PM ON WEEKDAYS
OTHER
28. WHAT IMPROVEMENTS WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE AT THIS SITE OR OTHER SITES FOR
FOR THE WINTER?
#1. Age range?
SITE/TOTAL AGE RANGE
30
27
25
21
20-
-j
15
O 12
10 ¦GOAT HILL
7 10 SKY HILL I
4 5 5 4 4 5 4 5 DCARNELIAN
5 3 3 3 2 - 2 I¦ CLEARWATER
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 ¦BRIDLE RIDGE
0 ¦RIDGE CLIFF
10-15 16-25 26-35 36-45 46-60 61 & Up ¦QUARRY
AGE RANGE ®RAHN
¦ TOTAL
AGE RANGE OF RES/NON-RES
30 21 24 27
20 12 12 $ 16- f
11
10 5 -3
0 I 1 I 1 1 I¦RES
¦ NON-RES
10-15 16-25 26-35 36-45 46-60 61 & UP
pTOTAL
AGE RANGE
AGE RANGE/REASON FOR VISIT
30 - 27
25 21
20
Fa- 15 1212 11 1212¦PLEASURE
PO 10 7 8-4 8 5 ¦W/CHILD
5 22 1 3 2 3
- 1 1
OCHILD LEAGUE
0
In I ®ADULT LEAGUE
10-15 16-25 26-35 36-45 46-60 61 & UP ¦TOTAL
AGE RANGE
The ages of the idividuals interviewed ranges from 10 - 61 and up. The age group 36 - 45 has the
most with 27 people, second is ages 26 - 35. There are very few individuals who are 46 and up
who attend an outdoor rink. Ages 10 - 25 are nearly equal in attendance, with 12 falling into the
range of 10 - 15, and 11 within the ages of 16 -25.
Goat hill and Ridge Cliff attract the greates number of individuals in the ages of 10 - 15. Quarry
and Goat hill are big attractions for 16 - 25 years olds. The age range of 26 - 25 spends most of
their time at Quarry. Each site except Carneliian and Ridge Cliff has an equal amount of
individuals visiting a rink within the ages of 36 -45. From 46 -60 the numbers fall drastically, with
Sky Hill, Clearwater, Ridge Cliff and Rahn sharing the visitors. The single person 61 and up
chose to visit Sky Hill.
The age ranges of residents out numbers non-residents. All 12 individuals ages 10 - 15 are
residents of Eagan. Range 16 - 25 is 8 residents and 3 non-residents. The most non-residents
are in the age range of 26 - 35, but residents out number them with 16 to the non-residents 5.
The next range of 36 - 45 has 24 residents to 3 non-residents. Ages 46 - 60 has 4 residents and
1 non-residents. The next ages has the individual who lives in Eagan.
Reason's for visiting is brokon down into four catergories. They are: pleasure; pleasure with child;
child league; and adult league. The age range 10 -15 has individuals of attending a rink for the
reason of pleasure only. Ages 36 - 45 has a split between a childs league and plasure with a
child. Adult league is used most frequently by the ages 26 - 35. The age range of 61 and up uses
the rinks for pleasure with child.
#2. Do you live in Eagan? If no
SITE/RESIDENT NON-RESIDENT TOTAL
70- 65
60
50
Q 40-
o 30
20 -12 9- 10 8 8-712 12
10 1 1 2 2 4 1
p ¦YES -MIL Q~ YJ as X ~ o CW T 0U.. = a ¦NO
0 cnS Uw w2 aV C7~
SITE
RES/NON-RES
70 5
60
50
a 40 ¦YES
¦ NO
O 30
22 21 11
20 16
12
10 5 --7
0 ]1 E1
PLEASURE W/CHILD CHILD LEAGUE ADULT LEAGUE TOTAL
AGE RANGE RES/NON-RES
70 65
60
50
40
30 24
20 12
10 5 3 4 ¦YES
0
10-15 16-25 26-35 36-45 46-60 61 & TOTAL
¦
UP
AGE RANGE
There are a total of 65 individuals who live in Eagan and 12 who Ido not. They come from all over
the metro area. The cities include: Apple Valley; Farmington; Hilghland Park; Maple Grove; Prior
Lake; Richfield; Rosemount; Savage; St. Paul; Vadnais Heights; and Woodbury. Rahn, Goat Hill;
and Clearwater are the sites that get the most residents. The site that draws the most non-
residents is Quarry.
Pleasure and Pleasure with child is what brings in most residents to the outdoor rinks. The only
two activities that brings in non-residents is pleasure with child and adult leagues which out
numbers the residents. There are more non-residents playing in ault leagues than residents.
The age range of non-residetns that visits the rinks more often is 26 - 35. The age range with the
greater number of residents is 36 -45.
#3. Do you use the "Recreation Happenings Hotline"?
USE OF RECREATION HAPPENINGS HOTLINE
60
50
40
30 2
O
20 13.._
0 4 8 1-1 3-7 8 8
0 I EYES a: W (3 da'W ZUj _j Z YJ_ _J 2 d' U. H ENO
cc _
O
_j _j M
SITE
USE OF RECREATION HOTLINE
60 53
50
40-
_j EYES
30 -24
O ¦ NO
20 15 19
EEEIIII 8 8 11
10 -7 1 7
2
0
PLEASURE W/CHILD CHILD LEAGUE ADULT LEAGUE TOTAL
USE OF RECREATION HOTLINE
60
50 41
40-
9 30 24 24
O 20 12
10
IL ¦ YES
0
¦NO
RES NON-RES TOTAL
ANSWER
USE OF RECREATION HOTLINE
60
50
40
17 24
0 30 1215 1
10 3 5 6 4 1 Y
0 ¦N.,
10-15 16-25 26-35 36-45 46-60 61 & UP TOTAL
AGE RANGE
The use of the "Recreation Happenings Hotline" is very minimal. The user's at Quarry use the line
the greaest amount. Yet they are also the ones with least amount of use. Only Carnelian has a
lower usage of the line. Plaesure, plaesure with child, and child's league user's refer to the line at
the same rate. 8 out of 16 use the line for child's league but for the adult league only 2 out of 11
use the line. Non-residents do not use the line at all, according to the graph. The age range with
the greastest amount of use for the "Hotline" is 36 - 45.
#4. The city of Eagan provides each warming house with staff, in case of
an emergency or if you need questions answered, can you identify that
person?
IDENTIFY WARMING HOUSE ATTENDANT
70
70
60
50
40
O 30
20 8 11 10 11 11 13 L
7
10 -+-2 2 2 4-0
0 EYES
w 0: w zz _j z LU LL ENO
O C7 aH a aJ = a~ 0LL
W0 W<O a..! u)1 0J co
RECOGNIZE WARMINGHOUSE STAFF
70
70
58
60
50
EYES
a 40 11
O 30 ENO
20 12
10 7
0
RES NON-RES TOTAL
ANSWER
IDENTIFY WARMING HOUSE ATTENDANT
80 70
60 EYES
Q i
40 18 25 1 16 11 7
O
-2-
0-
PLEASURE ENO
20 W/CHILD CHILD LEAGUE ADULT LEAGUE TOTAL
IDENTIFY WARMING HOUSE ATTENDANT
80 70
60-
40- 5
0O 20 11 1 9-2. 2 2 5 1 7
0
¦YES
10-15 16-25 26-35 36-45 46-60 61 & UP TOTAL ¦ NO
AGE RANGE
The answer this question is "Yes". Most of the useres can identify the warming house attendant, if
a problem arises. There are a few who could not identify the staff member but over all each
worker is doing their part to make themselves known. There is not a single site in which the staff
member is not a presence, but the ones who could identify them were all residents of Eagan.
#5. Reason for visit?
REASON FOR VISIT
30 26
25 21
20
15 13 1 V15
p 10 8 ¦ PLEASURE
10
5~ 4 ¦W/CHILD
5 1.4 3 0 Jtiirt 2 0 0 OADULT LEAGUE
w XW zz >._j z it ww ®CHILD LEAGUE
WC7 QQH ~Q Yd Qg S Q>- CD J
_j O w N C_ IL a C) O
U Q
SITE
USE OF RINKS
30 28
25 21-23 21
.j 20 15 15
H 15 13
0
10 6 57 ¦PLEASURE
5 ¦W/CHILD
0 OADULT LEAGUE
RES NON-RES TOTAL DCHILD LEAGUE
REASON
RINK USAGE
30 28
25 2
20
?a- 15 12 13-11 1314
p 10
10 7 ¦PLEASURE
5 1_31 3 2_3_3 1_ ¦WJCHILD
0 OADULT LEAGUE
10-15 16-25 26-35 36-45 46-60 61 & UP TOTAL ®CHILD LEAGUE
AGE RANGE
Clearwater is a site used only for pleasure purposes, there are absolutely no hockey allowed.
This accounts for the high numbers of pleasure skaters at this site. The main pleasure use is with
a child. Quarry is a site that the adult league use is greatest. Goat Hill and Rahn are two sites
that are used for similar functions, as they have the widest range of usage, plaesure, pleasure
with child, and child's league. Carnelian and Ridge Cliff are used for pleasure purposes only.
Non-residents use the rinks for pleasure with child and adult leagues only. Residents who use the
rinks for adult leagues is far less than the other catergories.
The age range of 10 - 15 use the rinks for pleasure purposes only, while 26 - 45 primarily use the
rinks for pleasure with child. Adult league users fall in the age range of 26 - 35 as the group who
use it more.
#6. Distance traveled?
DISTANCE TRAVELED
30 29
25 2
20
15
O 15 10-
10 i¦<1 MILE
6 -6 1
5
O 43 00 2 1 1 1-0 444 1 1-2 1 4 0 1 00 1-2 MILES
3-4 MILES
-j w w zZ r_j z ww 05-6 MILES
Q YJ Q~ S QY C7LL Q
co w U_ U ~O 'E7 OR MORE
SITE
DISTANCE TRAVELED
30 28 29
25 2222
J 20 14 15-
15 p 10 10
10
¦RES
5 -
1 1 -1 1 ¦ NON-RES
0 OTOTAL
<1 MILE 1-2 MILES 3-4 MILES 5-6 MILES 7 OR MORE
DISTANCE
DISTANCE TRAVELED
30
t_~~
25 23
20 18
16 15 10<1 MILE
15
O ¦1-2 MILES
10 87 6 10 03-4 MILES
5 135-6 MILES
3_ 4 44
5 2 1 1 1 1 107 OR MORE
0
PLEASURE W/CHILD CHILD ADULT TOTAL
LEAGUE LEAGUE
DISTANCE TRAVELED
29
30
25 2
20 17 15
15 12
0 10 5 i 47_6-4 7 E< MILE
5 3-2- 3_-;-1-1-2-1 -1 Lii N1-2 MILES
0 03-4 MILES
10-15 16-25 26-35 36-45 46-60 61 & UP TOTAL 05-6 MILES
AGE RANGE ¦7 OR MORE
There were 51 individuals who traveled 2 miles or less to attend the outdoor rinks. Quarry had the
most usrers who traveled 3 - 4 and 7 or more miles. Any one who traveled 7 or more miles is a
non-resident of Eagan. There were 3 other non residents who traveled 2 - 6 miles. Pleasure and
pleasure with child drew the most 2 miles and less users. Adult league and pleasure with child
had 7 or more miles. All 10 - 15 year olds traveled less than 1 mile to attend their activities. Age
range 36 - 45 had greatest number of 1 - 2 mile travelers. 7 or more miles had age range 26 - 35
traveling.
#7. How often do you visit an outdoor rink? days/week.
HOW OFTEN VISIT OUTDOOR RINK
30 2
25 tl
2
0
15 ¦1
¦2
O 8 5
15 43 732 -2 2 3332 1~ 2-11 -0 3-1 23 103
04
0
J W IX W Z Z F- J Z W U. ¦ 5
O U' Q it Q YJ QJ a U' LL
W0 j aJ 0I 0= ¦6
m v?~ UW 0 qa C7 U ¦7
SITE
VISITS/WEEK
30 22 ¦ 1
25 20
20 16 14 14 ¦ 2 !
O 15 8 10 8 103
10 2 2 3 2 2 1134
50 5
RES NON-RES TOTAL 6
¦7
VISIT PER WEEK
30 28
25 J1 .1
2
¦2
15 0 1
03
O 10 g g 4~ 5-5 8 8 4 8 3
O4
5 -2-2 1 4-1 2 2
0¦5PLEASURE W/CHILD CHILD LEAGUE ADULT LEAGUE TOTAL 1061
TIMES VISIT PER WEEK
29
30
25 il J 20
15 10 4 ¦1
0 10 7 997 8021
5 122.2222 4 32-3 3- 1 2 3-1-1 1 f 32.2 03
0 134
10-15 16-25 26-35 36-45 46-60 61 & UP TOTAL ¦5
AGE RANGE ¦6
¦7
There are 2 sites wich someone will skate there all 7 days of the week, they are Carnelian and
Rahn. Clearwater, Sky Hill, and Quarry have the most individuals who skate only 1 day per week.
Rahn and Goat Hill receive the greatest assortment of days to skate per week. Non-residents
skate no more than 2 times per week. Pleasure with child is the activity that has the greatest
number of skating only once per week. Pleasure skaters range from 1 to 7 times per week. Adult
league users only use the facilities 1 - 3 times per week. The age range factor is very different.
Ages 10 - 15 skate 1 - 7 times per week. They are the only group that skates more 5 times per
week. Ages 36 - 45 skates 1 - 3 times per week.
#8. Which day(s) of the week do you visit most often?
DAYS OF WEEK VISITED MOST OFTEN
44
45
40
35 .332
30
25 2z
20
11~ INS
10 8 8 6 6 8 6 57577 767- - 6- - oM
5 2 1 , 1_2 3 24 ! 24 322333 OT
0 ®W
_j0 H w ¦Tz Q l'J = ¢ 0 J
E E~ F- ¦F
m
SITE us
DAYS VISIT MOST OFTEN
50
40 3134-32
Q 30 22 1 ¦ S
O 20 13111212131512 12 11 -~-9 EM
10 7 2-5 1 7` 4 7 8 7 7 2 4 2_3 OT
0 1OW
PLEASURE W/CHILD CHILD LEAGUE ADULT LEAGUE TOTAL ¦TH
¦F
¦S
DAYS VISIT MOST OFTEN
50
38
40 29 28 30 31 34 32
30 22 22-22 22 22-24
¦ S
20 !oM 1
10 6 6 DT
2 2-
0 aw
0
RES NON-RES TOTAL I FH
IMS
DAYS VISIT MOST OFTEN
45 43
40
35 3.33 32
30 2
25 18 3 2~ ¦S
15 12 1 11.13 10M
10 786 6 5-4-4-42 5 3 3 88 6-5 2 2 2 4 oT
5 111_ 1 low
0 ~ i ],,r. I I ii''''Iiiiiiiiiiiiii~~~~~~~~~ ~ - -
¦TH
10-15 16-25 26-35 36-45 46-60 61 & UP TOTAL F
DAY OF WEEK ¦S
The reason for the high numbers for this question is the fact that it asked for multiple days in
which a person may visit an outdoor irnk in Eagan. Clearwater received the most on Saturdays,
Rahn came next with the most visitors on Tuesday. Goat Hill and Ridge Cliff has an evenly
spread days of visiting. Bridle Ridge has two days in which mostof the users will visit the rink,
Monday's and Wednesdays.The individuals who use the rinks for pleasure will attend nay day of
the week. But those who attend with a child will more likely spend it on a Saturday. Child leagues
will use Wednesdays more often than any other day. Adult league users will visit on Mondays.
Residants will spend may dayof the week at the rink but mainly on Saturdays. Non-residents will
use the rinks on Mondays and Saturdays. Ages 10 - 25 use the rinks the same any day of the
week, except on Thursdays. The range of 26 - 35 use the rinks on Mondays and Saturdays, while
ages 36 - 45 will attend on Sundays, Wednesdays, and Saturdays.
#9. Which rink do you use most often?
RINK USED
60 55
50
j 40
9 30 26
20 8 12 11 12 14
10 0-2 6-5 2 2 -3 ¦PLEASURE'
0 ¦ HOCKEY
W QQF- ZZ }J J Z LULL
ItJQ~ ~Q YJ j x Q} C7 LL
mW UA W Uw
SITE
USE OF RINK
60
50 45
40
H 30 24 26
0
20 10
10 2
¦ PLEASURE
0
RES NON-RES TOTAL ¦ HOCKEY
RINK
USE OF RINK
60-
50-
_j 40
¦PLEASUR
30
22 ¦HOCKEY
~ 20 17 17 16 _13-
110 9 5
0
PLEASURE W/CHILD CHILD ADULT TOTAL
LEAGUE LEAGUE
RINK USED MOST OFTEN
60
50
40-
30- 5`
O 420
20 16
10 10 i 10 2 1 5 1 PLEASURE
0 I S HOCKEY
10-15 16-25 26-35 36-45 46-60 61 & UP TOTAL
AGE RANGE
The hockey rink is used more often than the pleasure rink. Clearwater is the exception because
that site does not have a hockey rink. Sky Hill is the only hockey and pleasure irnk combination
site that uses the pleasure rink more than the hockey rink. There are only two non-residents that
use the pleasure rink. Ages 36 - 45 is the range with the most pleasure rink users. The range
from 46 and up uses only the pleasure rink.
The next two questions are related.
#10. What other rinks in Eagan have you skated?
#11. Reason for that visit?
The format of these two question will be the site at which the individual
was interviewed at and the site(s) he/she visited (#10), on the left. On the
right hand side will be the reason for that visit (#11) in the general sense.
Carnelian
Sky Hill Childs league
Rahn Pleasure
Clearwater
Rahn Child league
Sky Hill Adult league
Quarry Pleasure
Goat Hill Pleasure with child
Carnelian
Bridle Ridge
All sites Pleasure with child
Ridge Cliff Child league
Goat Hill Pleasure
Sky Hill
Quarry
Rahn
Goat Hill
All Child league
Sky Hill Pleasure with child
Bridle Ridge Pleasure
Quarry Adult league
Rahn
Quar!y
Carnelian Pleasure
Blackhawk Pleasure with child
Rahn Adult league
Goat Hill
Rahn
Goat Hill Pleasure
Pilot Knob Pleasure with child
Blackhawk Child league
Carnelian
Sky Hill
Quarry
Ridge Cliff
Goat Hill Pleasure
Clearwater Child league
Sky Hill
Carnelian Pleasure
Pilot Knob Adult league
Rahn Child league
#12. Are the hours the warming house open adequate for your activities?
ADEQUATE HOURS
80
70
60
40 1¦ EYEY
0 30 ENO
20 7 11 12 13 14
4 16-
10
0
_j LU O C7 WW
F ZZ xd Q~ S Q> LL
:1 3~ ag `0 _ ° o
mWL
U
SITE
ADEQUATE HOURS OF WARMING HOUSE
80 71
70 59
60
50
40 -
0
F- 30
20 12
10 6 6
0 ¦YES
RES NON-RES TOTAL j ¦ NO
ADEQUATE HOURS OF WARMING HOUSE
80 71
70
60
50 EYES
1- 40 1¦NO
OF 30 21- 24
20 14 12
10 1 2 2- 1---1- 6
0
PLEASURE W/CHILD CHILD LEAGUE ADULT LEAGUE TOTAL
ADEAQUATE HOURS
80 71
70
60
50
9 40-
0
30 20 23
20 11, 11
10 1 4 5 1-0 6
0 1 ¦ E
10-15 16-25 26-35 36-45 46-60 61 & UP TOTAL ¦ NO
AGE RANGE
The majority of the users believe that the hours the warming house is open is adequate enough
for their activities. The age range of 36 - 45 has 4 individuals who feel that the hours are not
adequate for their activities.
The following section's questions are based on a rating scale: 1 = poor -
5 = excellent.
#13. Cleanliness of warming house?
CLEANLINESS OF WARMING HOUSE
45
40
35
30 6 IN BRIDLE RIDGE
F 25 •CLEARWATER
O 20
15 _ DCARNELIAN
10 Sf ?_6 8 9 8 5 10 SKY HILL
5 1.1 2 3 2 1 2 3 3 1 3 3 2 1 ¦GOAT HILL
0 ¦RAHN
1 2 3 4 5 OQUARRY
SCALE ORIDGE CLIFF
¦ TOTAL
CLEANLINESS OF WARMING HOUSE
50 41
40 34
30 -26-
21
20
8 8 7
10 2 2 ORES
0 ONON-RES
1 2 3 4 5 1¦TOTAL
SCALE
CLEANLINESS OF WARMING HOUSE
50 41
40
30 2
16_17
O 20
8 8 NPLEASURE
10 1_1-2_5_1- 6_6-6 2-6 EW/CHILD
0 DCHILD LEAGUE
1 2 3 4 5 ®ADULT LEAGUE
SCALE ¦TOTAL
CLEANLINESS OF WARMING HOUSE
50 41
40
30 25 0101015
O 20 - 9 10 y 12-9 16-25
10 2 2 3 6 3-4_6 2 7 -3-1 026 35
0 1036-45
1 2 3 4 5 1046-60
SCALE I¦61 & UP
¦TOTAL
The overall impression of our warming houses is that they are very clean. Two sites did not get
high marks for cleanliness, Bridle Ridge and Clearwater. Yet Clearwater, Sky Hill, and Goat Hill
did receive the most high marks for this catergory. The non-residents who attended the rinks and
warming houses feel that the warning houses were "good" to "excellent". Those who visited the
rinks for pleasure and with child feel that the houses are "excellent". The age group 36 - 45 were
the most critical when it came to judging the watming houses.
#14. Friendliness/appearance of staff?
APPEARANCE/FRIENDLINESS OF STAFF
¦BRIDLE RIDGE ¦CLEARWATER 13CARNELIAN OSKY HILL ¦GOAT HILL
¦RAHN ¦QUARRY BRIDGE CLIFF ¦TOTAL
50
40
H 30
O 20 1
7 f 7 8187
10 1 1 2 3 1 2 44 23 -2 2 2
0
1 2 3 4 5
SITE
APPEARANCE OF STAFF
50 AXZ
j ~ 39
40
Q 30 23-
17
O 20
7 7
10 2 2 6 ]L6- BRE
0 r-= I m ED ¦ NON-RES
1 2 3 4 5 OTOTAL
SCALE
APPEARANCE OF STAFF
50
40
30 23
20 { 1816 PLEASURE
7 7 6 6
¦W/CHILD
10 1 1-2 2 4-1 56
0 OCHILD LEAGUE
1 2 3 4 5 BADULT LEAGUE
SCALE ¦TOTAL
APPEARANCE OF STAFF
50- A
40
30 23
¦10 15
0 20 12 10 1311 ¦ 16-25
10 2 -1 ~ 2-4-4 1 3-1 026-35
0 036-45
1 2 3 4 5 ¦ 46-60
SCALE ¦61 & UP
¦TOTAL
The overall appearance and friendliness of staff at the warming houses is "good" to "excellent".
There are however a couple of sites that did receive below average marks, Bridle Ridge and
Cleatwater. Goat Hill received the best marks with 11 "tallies" in the excelletn column. Sky Hill
and Rahn each had 8 marks in the "excellent" catergory. The non-residents feel that the stff is
very friendly. Pleasure with chlid and child's league users reported that the site they were at was
not above average. Those who use the rinks for pleasure and with child do feel their staff was
"excellent" at their site. The age group 36 - 45 is again the biggest critic of the staff. Yet the
majority of them rated the staff "good" to excellent".
#15. Quality of ice?
QUALITY OF ICE
35
30 01
25-
RIDLE RIDGE
-j 20 18 19 tLEA11TE1
O 15 10 g DCARNELIAN
6 i 4 44 5 4 55 4 5 1DSKYHILL
5 1-1 2 1-1 1-1 22;2 2 2 2 3 2-3 2 ¦GOAT HILL
0 0000 00 0 fl 0 0 0 0
in, ¦RAHN
0
1 2 3 4 5 ¦QUARRY
SCALE DRIDGE CLIFF
¦ TOTAL
QUALITY OF ICE
35 33
30 26-
25
a 20 17 18 19
F 15
10 15
10 6 6 IL
5 1 1 j 1 !ORES
0 IN NON-RES
1 2 3 4 5 DTOTAL
SCALE
QUALITY OF ICE
35
30
25
20 19 19
15 1011 ; 8
10 4 5 4 5 ¦ PLEASURE
5 1-1 3 2-1' 2-3' ¦W/CHILD
0 OCHILD LEAGUE
1 2 3 4 5 ®ADULT LEAGUE ~
SCALE ¦TOTAL
QUALITY OF ICE
40-
30- 31
a 20 ! 19 ¦ 10-15
p 20 1 ¦ 16-25
10 1 2 4 6i-4-7 8 4$ 5 3 4 7
-3- 3 026-35
0 M 36-45
1 2 3 4 5 ¦ 46-60
SCALE ¦61 & UP
¦TOTAL
The quality of ice did not fair as well as the previous questions, it is rated "good" by most people.
According to the graph the best ice is at Quarry and Clearwater. Goat Hill is rated in the "good"
section. Non-residents have rated the quality of ice as "good". They did not anything lower than
"average" but residents rated the ice quality as "poor" and "below average". The users who visit a
site for pleasure and with child purposes were the biggest contributers to the "good" rating for the
ice. They also rated the ice as "excellent". Pleasure with child gave the most ratings in the "below
average" catergory. The age group 26 - 45 gave a rating as "average" but the age range of 26 -
35 gave the most high marks for the quality of ice. Again the group of 36 - 45 is the hardst critic of
the warming houses.
#16. Rules?
RULES
40 34 ¦BRIDLE RIDGE
30 27 ¦CLEARWATER
20 15 IDCARNELIAN
O 8 0SKY HILL
10 3-1-( 4 5 71
4 4-3 4 4 6-4-3-3 ¦GOAT HILL
000000000 000001001 1 0 0 1 7 2
0 1MM ¦ RAHN
2 3 4 5 ¦QUARRY
SCALE ¦RIDGE CLIFF
¦ TOTAL
RULES
34
35 31
30 7
25
--20-
< 20 15
O 15 13
10 7 J
5 1 1 2 3 ¦RES
0 ¦ NON-RES
1 2 3 4 5 OTOTAL
SCALE
RULES
34
35
30 7
25
20 15 16
11
10 -5-5 ~ 5 ¦PLEASURE
O 15 att
4 5 1
1 1 ¦ W/CHILD
0 OCHILD LEAGUE
1 2 3 4 5 ¦ADULT LEAGUE
SCALE ¦TOTAL
RULES
34
35
30 27
25
20 15 jI10-15
p 15 8 8 12
10 9 8 7 ¦ 16-25
5 1 1 1_1 1 4 2 3 1. 026-35
0 036-45
1 2 3 4 5 ¦ 46-60
SCALE ®61 & UP
¦TOTAL
The rules of the warming house's satisfy the publics wants. There is however one individual who
rated the rules at Rahn "below average". Non-residents feel that the rules are "good" more than
"excellent". But residents feel the rules are "excelllent.". The individuals who use the rinks for
pleasure give the rules the highest rating. Those who use the rinks and warming houses for
pleasure with child are split between "good" and "excelllent". Child league users are spread
evenly from "average" to "excellent". The one individual who rated the rules as "below average"
fell in the age range of 10 - 15. Age range 36 - 45 gave marks primarily in the "good" range.
Questions #17 & #18 are related.
#17. What new additional programs would you like to see offered at the
skating rinks?
#18. Would you travel beyond your neighborhood rink to attend these
programs?
The answer to #17 will be first, followed by #18.
-Longer broomball season---------------- NO
-Second sheet of ice at the Civic Arena-----------YES
-Skate sharpening--- ----------NO
-More rinks with tar surfaces, like Goat Hill----------YES
-Free coffe and hot chocolate---------------------------NO
-Organized skating parties------------------------------YES
-Both rinks available for open skating-----------------YES
-A league for kids to play against other rinks--------YES
-Stay open later------------------------------------------YES
-intramural leagues----------------------------------------YES
-Teen hockey league-----------------------------------YES
-Special time for older kids-------------------------------YES
-Skating lessons-------------------___-______MM_______YES
-Family skate programs (holidays)---------------------YES
-Diminsh hockey hours------------------------------------YES
#19. If your neighborhood rink had a trailer for a warming house but a rink
further away had a permanent building. Which would you go to?
TRAILER OR BUILDING
60 52
50
40
30 25
20 12 11
10 2-s14 $ 2-i 55 1 5 8 4 4 I ¦TRAILER
¦ BUILDING ]U 60- ME UJ U_ _j C~ QH Ix< _j Q_J = Q} ( U_ Q
W d'
m2 U3 OW U' R CYO 2U
SITE
TRAILER/BUILDING
60 52
50 44
40
21
~O 30 25
20
8
10 4 ¦TRAILER
0 ¦ BUILDING
RES NON-RES TOTAL
TRAILER/BUILDING
60
52
50
40
1 ¦TRAILER
30 25 ¦BUILDING
20 15 17
g 11 9
10 7 - - -
4
0 L-M
PLEASURE W/CHILD CHILD LEAGUE ADULT LEAGUE TOTAL
TRAILER/BUILDING
60
50
40
C 30 25
O 20 16 13_14
10 3 9 2 5 2-3--1 ¦TRAILER
0
¦BUILDING
10-15 16-25 26-35 36-45 46-60 61 & UP TOTAL
AGE RANGE
The overwhelming choice bewteen a trailer or a building for a warming house is, a building. At
Sky Hill the results were split 5 in favor of the trailer and 5 for the building. Ridge Cliff results were
in favor of the trailer, because at that site is a trailer. 21 out of 65 residents chose the trailer over
the building, and 4 out of 12 non-residents chose the trailer over the building. Pleasure with child
gave the most support for the trailer, while adult league users gave it the least amount of support.
The age range of 36 - 45 supported the trailer nearly as much as they supported the building for a
warming house.
#20. Have you been to a rink outside of Eagan?
BEEN TO RINK OUTSIDE OF EAGAN
60
50 1
J 40
ic 30 k
20 14
5_ 8 9 9
10 3 4 1 -1 7 3 4 4 1 2-2 ¦ EY
0 ¦NO
o 0 QH wQ = ~ 2 Q> tLLL
m
SITE
VISITED RINK OUTSIDE OF EAGAN
60
50
40
~O 30 21 22
20
10 1
11 - ONE
0 ¦ YES
RES NON-RES TOTAL ¦ NO
ANSWER
VISITED RINK OUTSIDE OF EAGAN
60 55
50
40
J ¦YES
p 30 ¦NO j
H I 22
20 17
14 12 11 13
10 IL5-- 5
0M-AM
PLEASURE W/CHILD CHILD LEAGUE ADULT LEAGUE TOTAL
BEEN TO RINK OUTSIDE OF EAGAN
60 55
50
40
30 18 22
20 8 11 15
10 4 6 9 3=2 ¦YES
0 !ENO
10-15 16-25 26-35 36-45 46-60 61 & UP TOTAL
AGE RANGE
Of the 77 people interviewed, 55 have visited a rink outside of Eagan. Quarry has the most
individuals that have been to a rink other than one in Eagan. Each Site has at least one individual
that visted a rink outside of Eagan. There is one non-resident who has not been to a rink other
than the ones in Eagan. 21 out of 65 residents have only visited a rink in Eagan. All of the
indivuduals who participate in adult leagues have been to other rinks. Pleasure with child users
have 14 that have been to another rink, while 12 have not. All 16 - 25 year old have visted
another rink in another city.
The following section is based on the previous answer of visiting a rink out
side of Eagan. The questions are asking the individual to compare Eagan's
rinks to another cities rinks. The rating scale is as follows:
I = needs much improvemetn
2 = needs improvement
3 = same
4 = better
5 = much better
#21. Cleanliness of warming house?
COMPARE CLEANLINESS OF WARMING HOUSE
25 1 ¦BRIDLE RIDGE
20 17 ¦ CLEARWATER
15 14 OCARNELIAN
OSKY HILL
10 ¦GOAT HILL
11 ¦RAHN
5 1 1-}~ 1 1-2~ 12 4 3 2 4 1 341 2 2 3 5 444
0000000 0000 0 0 0 0 0 ¦QUARRY
0
1 2 3 4 5 ¦RIDGE CLIFF
SCALE ¦TOTAL
COMPARE CLEANLINESS OF WARMING HOUSE
25
21
20
17 16
14 14
15 12
O
10
5
5 1 1 1 1 2 3 2
0 ¦ RES
1 2 3 4 5 ¦ NON-RES
OTOTAL
SCALE
COMPARE CLEANLINESS OF WARMING HOUSE
25
21
20 17 . 1
15 14
10 7 7
5 5 4 :_41112I RE
¦W/CHILD
GCHILD LEAGUE
1 2 3 4 5
¦ADULT LEAGUE
SCALE ¦TOTAL
COMPARE CLEANLINESS OF WARMING HOUSE
20
20
16
15
4 4 50 16-25
10 I67
5 1 1 1 1 2 3 1 2 1 2 1 G2635
0 1 ¦ 36-45
1 2 3 4 5 IM 46-60
SCALE 1061 & UP
¦TOTAL
The overall rating of Eagan's warming house compared to other citie's warming houses is "better".
Bridle Ridge did receive a "needs much improvement" rating and it did not receive any "much
better" marks. Quarry and Clearwater each received "needs improvement" marks. But Clearwater
did receive 4 marks for "much better", the highest number. Carnelian and Sky Hill also received $
marks in that category. Quarry received the most marks in "better" with 5, followed by Clearwater
with 4. A resident gave the "needs much improvement" mark at Bridle Ridge. Residents a nd
non-residents gave the most marks in "better". The individual at Bridle Ridge gave the low mark
visited the rink becaue of a child's league. The users of the warming house for pleasure and
pleasure with child gave the highest marks. The age range of 36 - 45 gave the greates amount of
higher marks yet it was in this range that gave the "needs much Improvment" mark.
#22. Friendliness/appearance of staff?
COMPARE STAFF
25
IBRIDL DIRE i
20 RIDGE
16 ¦CLEARWATER
15 13 !D CARNELIAN
~O 10 --g -6 OSKY HILL
5 000000000 100001'04 1.33033 1.3.1313 2 0-2x1 340 EGOAT HILL
0 ¦ RAHN
1 2 3 4 5 ¦QUARRY
SCALE ®RIDGE CLIFF
¦ TOTAL
COMPARE APPEARANCE OF STAFF
25 22
20 15 16 Q 15 12 13 14
10 I 7
5 4
3 1 1 2 I¦ RES
0 ¦ NON-RE`
1 2 3 4 5 113TOTAL
SCALE
COMPARE APPEARANCE OF STAFF
25-
20-
16
14
Q 15
0
10
3 4 4 3-3 5 tl
3-3-3' ¦PLEASURE
5 1 1 1 •W/CHILD
0 OCHILD LEAGUE
1 2 3 4 5 ®ADULT LEAGUE
SCALE ¦TOTAL
COMPARE WARMING HOUSE STAFF
25 20 1I 0 IE
- t- 0 SCALE ¦61 & UP
_TOTAL
By comparing Eagan's staff to other cities, Eagan's staff is rated as "better". Bridle Ridge again
received the lowest mark for staff with a rating of "needs improvement". Goat Hill received the
most marks in "much better". Yet it received the most marks in "needs improvement" category.
Residents were split between "same" up to "much better". "Same" received 12 marks, "better"
received 15 marks and "much better" received 14 marks. Non-residents gave the most marks in
"better". Those who use the rinks for pleasure gave the most marks in "much bettter", pleasure
with child users gave the most marks in "better". The age range of 10 - 45 each gave 1 mark in
the "needs improvement" category. Ages 25 - 46 each gave 7 marks in the "better" category.
#23. Quality of ice?
COMPARE QUALITY OF ICE
20
- 15
15 IN BRIDLE RIDGE
12
¦ CLEARWATER
O 10 7 6 O CARNELIAN
4 OSKY HILL
5 1 1 1 3 1 1 3 1 1
U 2 3 3 2-2 1 3.2 1 2 2.3 ¦GOAT HILL
0000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 ¦ RAHN
1 2 3 4 5 ¦QUARRY
SCALE BRIDGE CLIFF
¦ TOTAL
COMPARE QUALITY OF ICE
20
15
15 13 13 12
10
O 10 6 7
5
5 2 3 1 I214I ¦ RES
0 ¦ NON-RI
1 2 3 4 5 OTOTAL
SCALE
COMPARE QUALITY OF ICE
18
18 15
16
14 12
12
10 7
O 6 3 5 ! 3 5~ 3 34 3 !ECGUI
4 2 0
E
1 2 3 4 5 BADULT LEAGUE
SCALE ¦ TOTAL
COMPARE QUALITY OF ICE
20
~ 15
_12-
_j
15 ¦10-15
0 10 7- i
g 5 5 ¦ 16-25
5 1-2 3 2-1-2 0 2 1`2 1 2 3 4 3 A-
E326-35
p 113 36-45
2 3 4 5 ¦46-60
SCALE ¦61 & UP
¦TOTAL
the overal rating of comparing Eagan's ice quality to other cities is that Eagan is "better". There
were, however, a few sites that did receive "needs much improvement" ratings. They are Bridle
Ridge, quarry, and Rahn. Goat Hill received 3 marks in "needs improvement" category. Quarry
did also receive the most tallies in "better". There were 2 residents and 1 non-resident who gave
the quality of ice "needs much improvement" ratings. Residents were equal in givng a rating with
13 in "same" and "better. More non-residents gave the ice "better"rating than any other choice.
Pleasure users gave the ice more "much better" ratings than any other choices. Yet they also
have the most marks in "needs improvement". Adult league users rate the ice as "better". The
age range of 26 - 5 gave ratings in the "needs much improvement" section. 26 - 35 gave the msot
rating in "same" while 16 - 25 gave the most on "much better".
#24. Rules?
COMPARE RULES
25 24 ¦BRIDLE RIDGE
20 18 I U CLEARWATER
OCARNELIAN
15 11 OSKY HILL
0 10 6 7 ¦GOAT HILL
j-3-3 g53 NRAHN
5 000000000 00000020 1 21202 1 0101 10 SQUARRY
0
ORIDGE CLIFF
1 2 3 4 5 •TOTAL
SCALE
COMPARE RULES
25 24
20 18 18
15 13 11 11
0 10
6 5
52~ ¦RES -JE I 0 ¦NON-RE.,
1 2 3 4 5 OTOTAL
SCALE
COMPARE RULES
25
20 19
15
0 10 11
10 6 7 !S10-15
4 4 5 4 5 10 16-25
1 1 2 2 2 1 i 2 026-35
0- Mm 03645
1 2 3 4 5 ¦ 46-60
SCALE ¦61 & UP
¦ TOTAL
COMPARE RULES
25 24
20 -la-
_j15
11
O 10
6 6 7 "2-
5- 4 44 ¦PLEASURE
2 2 ¦W/CHILD
0 GCHILD LEAGUE
1 2 3 4 5 ®ADULT LEAGUE
SCALE ¦TOTAL
The rules fall primarily into the "same" category. Only two marks in the "needs improvement"
section. Residents gave the "needs improvement" marks, but non-residents gave either "same"
or "better" marks. Ages 10 - 25 gave the "needs improvement", while ages 36 - 45 thought that
the rules were "better". Those who use th rinks for pleasure with child mainly thought the rules
were the "same" from city to city. Adult league users showed that they think the rules are "better".
Pleasure users have the widest range in marks, they have 2 in "needs improvement", 6 in
"same", 3 in "better" and 6 in "much better".
#25. In recent years some communities have been forced to close some of
their warming houses due to budgetary reasons. If Eagan fell into this
situation what would you suggest?
CLOSING FOR BUDGETARY REASONS
30
25
20
J
Ia- 15 12
O
10 7 6 65
5 3 1 3 0 2 3 0 0 0 0 0 332 0 3 0 0 3 0 I__1_ 3 p ¦ SHORTER HOURS
0 ¦CLOSE ONE DAY
W W J } F- _j z W W 13 CLOSE W/ LEAST AMOUNT
j W YJ Q J a' U' W
Do a g N= 8 U ®SHORTEN SEASON
SITES
CLOSING BECAUSE OF BUDGETARY REASONS
7
30 26-2
25 23_24
20
'j ¦ SHORTER HOURS
0 15 12 ¦ CLOSE 1 DAY
10 8 13 CLOSE W/LEAST USE
5 33 MSHORTEN SEASON
1 1'
0
RES NON-RES TOTAL
CLOSE FOR BUDGETARY REASONS
30 26 27
25
20-
_j ¦SHORTER HOURS
15 11 10 12 ¦CLOSE 1 DAY
10 7 OCLOSE W/LEAST USE
5 5 5 4 ®SHORTEN SEASON
5 2 1 2 2
0
PLEASURE W/CHILD CHILD ADULT TOTAL
LEAGUE LEAGUE
CLOSE FOR BUDGETARY REASONS
30 252
25
20
J
13
O 15 10 1 i ¦SHORTER HOURS
10 5 7 5 MCLOSE 1 DAY
5 1 2 1 2 2 , II _2 OCLOSE SITE W/ LITTLE USE
0 0 ®SHORTEN SEASON
10-15 16-25 26-35 36-45 46-60 61 & UP TOTAL
AGE RANGE
The two answers that received the most responses was close all the sites one day a week and
close the sites that get the least amount of use. 26 out of 77 chose close all sites, and 27 chose
chose close the ones with the least amount of use. Clearwater users chose close all sites, as well
as Goat Hill and Quarry. Those individuals who use Rahn decided to close the sites with the least
amount of use. There was one person who chose to shorten the season and that person came
from Quarry. That person also was a resident. Non-residents were split between shorter hours
for the warming house, close all sites one day a week, and close the sites with little use. The
pleasure skaters overwhelmingly chose close the site with least amount of use, but that is where
the single person chose to shorten the season. Child league users did not have a clear cut
winner, with 5 votes for each top choices. The age group of 10 - 45 decidedly chose close the
sites with the least amount of use. But ages 26 - 35 had more marks in the close the sites one
day a week category. The single person who was 61 and up could not make up his mind on
which to do.
This question also had another option where the individual could chose another solution, here are
some of their responses:
-shorten weekend hours
-cut the budget in other areas
-fund raise
-ask citizens for additional funding
-have volunteers run the warming houses
-less pay for the mayor and other city employees
SHORTER HOURS
35 33
30
25 -21,
20 19
O 15 11 ¦CLOSE @ 8
10 10 8 9 7 ¦OPEN @ 12 SATS
4, 5 6 5 4 DOPEN@6WKDY
5 2 2
0
PLEASURE W/CHILD CHILD ADULT TOTAL
LEAGUE LEAGUE
SHORTEN HOURS
35
35
30
25 -21
19
J 20
a
O 15 9 11 9 ¦CLOSE @ 8
10 5 5 4 5 5 OPEN @ 12 SATS
5 1 3 3 1 9- 1 IDOPEN @ 6 WKDY
0
10-15 16-25 26-35 36-45 46-60 61 & UP TOTAL
AGE RANGE
The solution chosen by the individuals interviewed on how to shorten hours is to open the sites at
noon on Saturdays. At each site at least one person chose the answer of opening at noon on
Saturdays. Quarry users tallied 8 marks for that solution, while Clearwater had 6. The other two
choices were virtually even with close at 8:00 pm on weekdays with 21 and 19 for open at 6:00
pm on weekdays. Non-residetns could not decide which was better because the data shows 3 for
close at 8 on weekdays, 4 open at noon on Saturdays, and 4 to open at 6 on the weekday.
Pleasure and pleasure with child each had 10 and 11 respectiviely for the top choice. The age
range of 36 - 45 chose close at 8:00 pm as their top choice, but every other age group had the top
choice as #1.
This question had antoher choice for those individuals who wanted to give other solutions, here
are some of their answers:
-open at 11:00 am on weekends
-look for alternative ways to obtain additional funding
-the season is too short as it is
#27. If Eagan were to shorten hours gor the warming house for budgetary
reasons, which would affect your activity least?
SHORTER HOURS
35 33
30
25 21 19
20
O 15
10 2 44.2 54 452 285 ¦CLOSE @8WKDY
;~__3 3
5 1-1- 1 2-1 ¦OPEN @ NOON WKEND
0 0OPEN @ 6 WKDY
W U W ZZ Yx QJj 2 z ix LU U.
C7LL
UJ U C7= M} 0 O
2U
SITE
SHORTER HOURS
35 33
29
30 25 a 20 18 21 19
15
O 15
10 4 4 ¦CLOSE@ 8
5 3 ¦OPEN @ 12 SATS ~
0 DOPEN @ 6 WKDY
RES NON-RES TOTAL
DAY OF WEEK TO CLOSE
20
20
1s
15 12
J
10 9 IIAJ 6
4 11 3131 1 2 2 1 3~ OW/CHILD
p DCHILD LEAGUE
N f' I LL N > Y DADULT LEAGUE
Q .TOTAL
DAY OF WEEK
CLOSE DAY OF WEEK
20
20 1
15
11
10 9 8 ¦ 10-15
O 6 6 6 1016-25
5 3 344 3 3. 4 43 4 4 S D26 35
2 ~ 21, ~ 2 1 1 , 2-2 ~ 1 1~ 1 2 2 2 1 1 ! LJ 36-45
p Un 17,16 n 5
LL N ¦ 46-60
zyW ,•61&UP
a o W .TOTAL
DAY
The choice of which day to close is Monday, then Tuesday, Wednesday, Sunday, Thursday,
Friday, Saturday, but there were 6 people who chose any day of the week. Clearwater, Rahn and
Quarry each had 5 marks in the Monday slot. This holds for resident and non-resident choices
where they each had the majority of marks on Monday. Those individuals who use the rinks for
pleasure with child have rated Tuesday as the day to close for the week. Yet they also chose
Monday and Wednsday as their second choice.
#26. If Eagan had to close the rinks one day a week which would least
affect your skating?
DAY OF WEEK SUGGEST TO CLOSE
20
20
18 16
16
14 12
J 12
¦BRIDLE RIDGE
10
O 9 ! L2-2 ¦CLEARWATER
8 5 556 DCARNELIAN
4 2 3 SKY HILL
6 34 2- 22-2
2 1 11 1 1 1 IN GOAT HILL
00 0 00000 0 0 1 0 RAHN
0
S M T W TH F S ANY M QUARRY
DAY ®RIDGE CLIFF
DAY OF WEEK ¦TOTAL
CLOSE DAY OF WEEK
20
20
15 96
1
15 12
-j 10
9 9-8
10
O 6
5 4 4
5 2 2 1ftIJTiiiLtl -2 ¦RES
p ¦TOAL
w F" 3 LL } w DTOT
a w
DAY OF WEEK
#28. What improvements would you like to see at this site or other sites for
the winter?
-Better ice
-More parking at Bridle Ridge
-Indoor bathrooms at Clearwater
-Better plesure ice
-Additional open skating space
-Coffee pot
-Sell food besides hot chocolate
-Better ice
-Add skate sharpening
-Improve ice
-Sell snacks
-Stay open later
-Better ice
-Ice shoveled and plowed when it snows
-Candy machines
-Better ice
-Bonfires
-More refreshments
-Larger warming houses
-Sweep the floor more often
-Put in tar for the surface
-Expand the shelter
-Promote youth activities
-Small rink for kids under 10 only
-Put boards back at Well Site
-Lights for pleasure rinks
-Olympic size skating oval
-Warmer bathrooms
-Different seating
-more consitant ice
-Better ice
-Longer season
The survey produced many interesting findings about the rinks and warming houses. The ranges
of age, sites, and reasons for visiting the rinks varied greatly. Age ranged from 10 - 61 and
above, plus there were 8 different sites that were interviewed at. There was time spent at other
sites but not one person showed. The ages at the different sites also varied greatly. There were
four different reasons why individuals chose to visit a rink, they are pleasure, pleasure with a child
or children, a child's league, or an adult league. Here is a sample of the interesting finding that
were found in the survey.
The are three questions that tie into each other, #15, #23, and #28. Question #15 deals with the
quality of ice at the rinks, question #23 asks to compare Eagan's ice with another cities, question
#28 asks the individual to give comments for improvement s of the rinks and warming house. #15
is based on a scale 1 = poor - 5 = excellent, 33 out of 77 gave the ice quality a rating of 4 or
"good". Plus 19 out of 77 gave the rating a 5, which again is "excellent. So 52, or 68%,
individuals gave the ice quality a rating of "good" and better. Then in question #23, which scale is
a bit different, the majority of the ratings fell with in the "better", 18, catagory, or a rating of 4.
However just as many fell with in the "same", 15, (3) category, and in "much better", 12 gave the
ice quality the highest mark. So, there were 45 individuals who, comparing the ice to other cities,
gave marks a better than average curve. Now in the final question, #28. There are 7 indviduals
who want Eagan to have better ice conditions. This number does not seem very big, but 1 out of
every nine individuals who visit the rinks want better ice. This does not count the voices heard of
complaing of bad ice. The problem with the ice is, it is so weather dependent. Most of the skaters
do not realize that what it takes to make good ice. There is only a small range of temperature, 15
to 20 degrees, in which good ice can be made. The ordinary skaters do not realize that just
because it is below 32 degrees ice can be made. It can get too cold for making of ice because the
water from the flooding truck needs to have the chance to spread evenly and bond with the
already developed ice. In some cases when the weather is too cold the water will freeze before it
bonds with the ice, causing chipping and creavices. A suggestion would be to hang up articles
and diagrams to help the user understand what goes into making ice.
The next question that needs adressing is #19 in which it asks which would you prefer to go to, a
trailer or a building. The answer to this question by a huge margin is a building with 52 individuals
choosing it. That leaves 25 for a trailer. The individuals at Ridge Cliff who do have a trailer, all
feel that the trailer is what they prefer, but that is only 4 individuals, three of them are in the age
range of 10 -15. The majority of the visitors interviewed would prefer having a building to keep
warm in than a trailer. For future reference or consideration permanent buildings may need to
replace the trailer at some of the busier sites, and maybe that will draw more users for the rink.
In question #25 it asks if Eagan had to close sites because of budgetary problem what would they
choose. Two of the four choices are virtually tied, they are close all sites one day a week and
close the sites with little use, 26 - 27 respectivley. This question could benefit Eagan if they ever
had to use these measures for budgetary purposes. These two possibilities are opposites of each
other. The descision to close downt he sites tha receive little use would upset a number of
individuals. This is because there are those who use the rinks that get little use and then they
would have to travel further to another rink. Some pobably could not do this because of the age
factor. The choice to make is to close all sites one day a week because then not just one rink
would be affected. The users could not complain or petition because of usage.
The fourth and final question that should get some attention is #27 in which it asks if Eagan had to
shorten the hours which would least affect your activities. The solution that received the most
attention is open at 12:00 pm on Saturdays, with 33. The other two choices were close at 8:00
pm on weekdays, 21, and open at 6:00 pm on weekdays. If Eagan chose to shorten the hours
instead of closing the warming houses, the obvious choice would be to open at noon on
Satrudays.
The overall satisfaction level of the warming houses and rinks is very high. There are some areas
that need attention such as the "Recreation Happenings Hotline" which not used by any non-
resident who plays in an adult league. This "Hotline" would be extrememly helpful to them so they
did not have to drive from another city and find out that the game or event has been cancelled.
The staff should promote this line more to avoid any confusion, arguements, and complaints from
anyone who visits the outdoor facilities. The Eagan Parks and Recreation Staff are doing a good
job in maintaining a level of exellence and pride for their rinks and warming houses.