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11/03/1988 - Advisory Parks & Recreation Commission MEMORANDUM TO: ADVISORY PARKS RECREATION COMMISSION FROM.- KEN V A , DIRECTOR OF PARKS RECR ;1T DATE: NOVEMBER 1, 1988 RE: THURSDAY, NOV. 3, 1988 ADVISORY COMMISSION MEETING The regular Commission meeting is scheduled for November 3rd, at 7:00 P in the Council Chambers. This month's agenda is relatively short. They o development proposals and only one item under the consent a-e__ a . The are however, five items under "old business", the first of which is the Rahn/Cliff Plaza and Pond AP 44. Steve Sullivan has provided you with a separate memorandum on this particular item. The second item is review and recommendation of the 1989 Parks Dedication Policy. Again, a separate memorandum has been prepared in attempts to answer some of the concerns the Commission raised at the las- r Ling regarding the legality of adding additional dollars to the parks dedic tion contribution as part of a separate trust fund. The third item concerns snowmobiles and the position of the Commission concerning their usage within the community. Dorothy Peterson and Mel Bailey took primary responsibility for drafting the packet item, which was requested at the last meeting. John VonDeLinde will present a verbal update on the water quality prti~-r~<snr ~~r~d provide the Commission members with a handout. The sub-comn;itteee of the Advisory Commission will be meeting earlier in the evening for a presentation by the consultants on this report. Item five under "old business" was requested at the last Commission meeting. Staff will provide a verbal update on the Unisys trail and the history of the location of that trail. Staff was seeking a meeting date with the Commission and the residents of that area to discuss the trail and its proposed location from Pilot Knob Park to Quarry Park through Unisys property. There is only one item under "New Business" which is Well Site Park and the hockey rink removal. A staff memorandum has been prepared regarding this particular item. Under "parks development" we have provided you with a proposed parks project priority for 1989. This memorandum should speak for itself, but staff would like to caution Commission members that this priority list is always subject to change given the constantly changing and dynamic work environment we find ourselves in. Steve Sullivan will also provide the Commission with a parks project status report. COMMUNITY CENTER The Commission should plan to spend sufficient time to review the concept plans for the proposed community center. Staff believes these plans will present a very realistic schematic with minor changes that i"`t -fell reflect the ultimate design for the facility. ~e n1 red rd5Lh the City Council at a special' zg on the 27th, c Committee later that evening. The Reaction CorNmi tti, plans very well and were very positive with their remarks concerning design. OTHER BUSINESS AND REPORTS There are several items under "Other Business and Reports" which staff would like to call your attention to. Mel Bailey has provided you with a park representative meeting update; also provided is the departmental haopenirds for your review. Finally, staff is pleased to say that the Department of Parks & Recreation's "Passport to Good Health, an Adventure In Walking", was awarded the Citation Award by the Minnesota Recreation and Park Association for Creative Programming Efforts. This is the second time the department has received a special citation award in the two years that they have been offered. As always, please contact the office if you are unable to attend the Advisory Commission meeting. One additional note, staff will not be available on Wednesday and Thursday due to attendance at the Minnesota Recreation and Park Association Conference being held in Bloomington. Respectfully submitted, Ken Vraa Director of Parks and Recreation KV/bls AGENDA ADVISORY PARKS AND RECREATION CO 10O EAGAN, MINNESOTA Thursday, November 3, 1988 7:00 P.M. Eagan Municipal Center A. Call to Order and Pledge of Allegiance B. Approval of Agenda C. Approval of Minutes of Regular Meeting of October 6, 1988 D. Consent Agenda (1) Slater Addition E. Development Proposals F. Old Business (1) Rahn Cliff Plaza - Pond AP 44/Kettle Park (2) Review and Recommendation - 1989 Parks Dedication (3) Snowmobile Position - 1988-89 Season (4) Water Quality - Update (5) Unisys Trail Meeting G. New Business (1) Well Site Park - Hockey Rink Removal H. Parks Development (1) 1989 Park Development Priorities (2) Status Report - Parks Projects 1. Community Center (1) Update/Review of Concept Plans J. Other Business and Reports (1) N.U.D. Property - Status Report (2) Willmus Park Dedication Status (3) Park Neighborhood Section 24 (4) Park Representative Meeting Update (5) Facilities Committee Update (6) Department Happenings (7) MRPA Citation Award K. Adjournment Sub,iect to approval MINUTES OF A REGULAR MEETTNkG THE ADVISORY PARKS AND RECREATION C HSION EAGAN, MINNESOTA OCTOBER 6, 1988 A regular meeting of the Advisory Parks and Recreation Commission -Js called to order at 7:45 P.M. on Thursday, October 6, 1988 with the i-ollo~v n,, Commission Members present: Dick Carroll, Wayne men, Georg i a Ted Billy, Sandy Masin, Michele Swanson and Bob Porter. Staff L inclu Landscape Architect/Parks Planner Steve Sullivan; Parks Superin iden., ,o= VonDeLinde; Recreation Supervisor, Dorothy Peterson; Parks Secretary, Cherryl Mesko; Parks Intern, Mel Bailey; and Recreation Intern, Beth Mundy. Director of Parks and Recreation, Ken Vraa was not present. AGENDA George Kubik moved, Bob Porter seconded with all m vof ?favor to accept the agenda as presented. MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 1, 1988 MEETING With the change of "Purple Strife" to "Purple Loosestrife", Sandy Masin moved, George Kubik seconded with all members voting in favor of accepting the minutes as amended. EAA/RAAA FACILITIES USE REPORT Recreation Supervisor Dorothy Peterson: updated the Commission on the ongoing negotiations by EAA, RAAA, District 196 Community Services, and the City of Eagan to facilitate the space needs and the growth of the associations to meet the athletic needs of youth in the City of Eagan. Some of the issues that have been discussed include the growth of the various associations and how space will be used by these groups, the marketing of similar pror ii the schools by different associations and field allocations to meet 11 the needs. Both associations feel that by using shared flyers, merging! none of their existing programs, working cooperatively in creating new programs, allowing people to sign up with either association but have the programs dovetail will offer much more flexibility for both the users and the facilitators of these programs. Dorothy indicated that under the guidance of the Parks and Recreation Department these meetings will continue on a monthly basis to keep the associations on track. The next step is to encourage them to look t"_~:~erd n the future, long term, in determining the best way of allocating field u;;e, I Community Services has become very active in their participation and continnen to be supportive in providing services to the associations. It was noted thet Mend-Eagan Athletic Association opted not to participate in the meeting feeling that their needs were being met within the 197 school district. Advisory Parks and Recreation Commission Minutes of October 6, 1988 Meeting Page 2 Dick Carroll thanked Dorothy for coordinating the effort in getting this issue on track noting that it looks like there is some very good cooperation occurring to resolve these: issues. ;_LE POSITION - 1988-89 SEASON Dorothy Peterson reminded the Commission that in December, 1987, Commission recommended to the Council that the Highline corridor discontinued as a snowmobile trail. The Council took action on this issue in January, 1988 making this policy effective. The police department is questioning the snowmobiling issue for the 1988-89 season. Wayne Sames asked if the police are cone - r `ecause of prch1 ~ci,,n,s thn.t occurred last year or are looking for a rei nfc. ,_;t of the policy. ok Carroll noted that snowmobiles can now proceed on city streets at a opecU of 10 MPH on their way to a residence or on their way to or from a county park where snowmobiling is permitted. Sandy Masin indicated the difficulty in enforcing the 10 MPH speed limit by the police because it is very hard for them to follow an offender once they take off cross-country. The park rangers have been able to monitor this activity to some degree but it seers ,ent that many violations occur during the winter season. JoAnne Alt -t allowing use of snowmobiles unless it is on private rroporty sine and park property continue to get much of the snowmobile traffic ev_ i th, they are not allowed on any city park property. After much discussion, George Kubik moved to have staff research the restriction of snowmobiling to private property within city property with due consideration of County, State and Federal governing bodies. Bob Porter seconded the motion with all members voting in favor. LAKE CLASSIFICATION Parks Superintendent VonDeLinde brought the Commission up to date + progress of the classification process being conducted on all the water bod'-; within the city of Eagan. Information has been gathered on the water bodies from Met Council, PCA and by water samples. The exhausting inventory was completed in 1987 with the standards established as 1) Direct contact (swimming); 2) Indirect contact (canoeing); 3) Wildlife; 4) Storm water management (nutrient trap); 5) Sediment basin; 6) Storm water retention (no quality water standards). With the preliminary classifications made, public hearings will be conducted soon for input regarding the classifications to date. A draft report has been completed which takes all information done to date and sets a model of water quality for the tested water bodies based on the impact surrounding residential, commercial development will have on them. The management plan would then have a predetermined water qu.-ity determination so that the quality of run-off into th. ponding areas _ ka the responsibility of the developers. This arrii. would be mad eio~e Advisory Parks and Recreation Commission Minutes of October 6,1988 Meeting Page 3 the parcel was completely developed and become a part oP the di--~v "-pal it agreement. Mr. VonDeLinde expressed concern with the r ;]tr. oh report feeling that it was rather sketchy and that the results of the i H irej did not show an accurate reading. Wayne Sames stated that a representative from the Pollution Control Agency and the Soil and Water Conservation Department had pi°oblems with the models. The PCA cautioned the results because the sampling 14r1.3 don", dluvinrl an extreme drought condition showing much higher phosphorous iovols than w(-J!,(! he the case under normal conditions. The nutrient level ~f~:oo ~ ~-ler than it normally should. John VonDeLinde also noted that the r< r° is addressing only 12 out of over 300 water bodies in the city whi i also obscures the results somewhat. Sandy Masin asked if the model could be changed. John VonDeLinde responded that they should go back in 1989 and redo the samplings to see if that would be a more accurate reflection of the water quality. V.-o' -,ked the purpose of the models Mr. VonDeLinde responded it was to he-In 'r E4'-t , od use in surrounding areas,and determine the impact of deve" ~ Once the standards are set the City could make sure .,le ovt l l iv ie, ~i n those guidelines and implement policies that are established to aintzn t r quality. Another concern Mr. VonDeLinde expressed was regarding classification. Bur Oaks, for example is designated as direct contact. The report notes that for a cost of $38,000 a chemical injection system could be implemented I-n reduce phosphorous on a long term basis, however, the results wog.;+<d rod I 'c known for a period of 2 years. He feels this just is not co n pr e,1 I enough to substantiate an expenditure of this kind for one water George Kubik noted from his experience that models don't predict, they seldom offer options and one must be very careful with communication on these issues. In summary, Mr. VonDeLinde noted that a subcommittr o n - I- to ----t to cover some of these issues, suggesting a date of 10/?4,-8, t h Quality Citizen's Committee is convened on November. 3, 1 3 o pond to It report results to date. After the November ,Meeting a final draft will 'e prepared, go to the Council, followed by public hearings regarding the classification of water bodies in Eagan. Wayne Sames noted that this is the first time an effort of this type has been attempted in the metro area. After further discussion, Wayne Sames, JoAnne Alt, Dick Carroll and John VonDeLinde agreed to serve on the subcommittee to review the report to date and make recommendations for the final report. The date was set or to, 1-ek of October 17, 1988 with a subsequent meeting with the n e:r Quality ;i -'s Committee on November 3, 1988, 4:30 P.M. Advisory Parks and Recreation Commission Minutes of October 6,1988 Meeting Page 4 WADING POOLS Park Intern, Mel Bailey provided the Commission with an in-depth stsdy of wading pools which encompassed researching several metro communities tFjt. currently use or have used wading pools as part of the park system. ;r. Bailey stated that the liability issue continues to be one of the grey%o:1t concerns to date. In St. Paul, for example, their pools are stalled hereas Minneapolis has no staff supervision at their pools; they do requiir to accompany the child, however. The cost for staffing the pool is approximately $5,400 per year and the actual construction of Minneapolis' last pool was $102,000 which did not include the cost for showers, changing areas or any other peripheral requirements mandated by state code regarding pool usage. Dick Carroll thanked Mel Bailey for the extensive :nd well written report on wading pools. JoAnne Alt expressed her rat >1-"-LL in ost for constructing such a pool, hoping that it would have hoer, more economically feasible. Dick Carroll noted that another large co4-t factor after construction would be the on-going maintenance which is reported to take 2 hours each day. Sandy Masin asked that a copy of this report be provided to the Bridle Ridge park representative since they had first approached the Commission for a pool of this type. DEPARTMENT HAPPENINGS JoAnne Alt questioned why there was a large pool of water at the bottom of the slide in Carnelian Park. John VonDeLinde stated that the spiral slide was installed at a slightly lower elevation than was anticipated creating the ponding at the bottom of the spiral slide. The situation is being taken care of to eliminate the ponding in this location. George Kubik questioned Item #5 regarding Goat Hill Park. Dor~tf v Peterson responded that the meeting was held to insure better next year when the various clubs and organizations are wanting to use G Hill facilities. The Commission was reminded that the annual Spook Trail was being held on Monday, October 31st from 6-8 P.M. and volunteers are needed! CONSENT AGENDA The following consent agenda items were presented for On a motion by George Kubik, seconded by JoAnne Alt with all tf~~~bcr voting in favor, the Commission approved recommendation to the City Council of the following items: 1. Kraft, Inc. - That this waiver of plat be subject to a cash parkland dedication. Adivisory Parks and Recreation Commission Minutes of October 6, 1988 Meeting Page 5 2. Roseagan Addition That this proposal be subject to a cash parkland dedication and that an 8 foot bituminous trail be placed along the east side of Dodd Road. PARK DEDICATION Steve Sullivan recapped the memo prepared by Director Vraa regarding proposed park dedication fees for 1989. As the growth of single family homes continues to accelerate, an adjustment in this area is suggested from .0046/sq. ft. to .0048/sq. foot. The anticipated growth is expected to be between 750 and 1000 units per year based on estimates by the Planning Department. John VonDeLinde noted that the Commission nr v want to cOf ~-f,~ f ! T the implementation of the Natural Resource Trust Fund at of generating revenues for the fund's designated uses. He elsc the Commission should be very careful to clearly define the intenti the Trust Fund. Member Kubik questioned where the $5-10 range came from in setting a fee for the Trust Fund and it was noted that this was simply a starting point., a suggestion for the Commission to consider. After Mr. Kubik stated h=eau this amount was too low, Member Porter suggested the Commission consider fe=e closer to $25 per dwelling unit which would generate beyc ) $25,000. Further discussion by Commission members suggested reran iro,din up to $50 per dwelling unit depending upon what legal ramifications, if -n:r°, need to be considered. Another suggestion was to place a large amount of the money in trust as it is collected and allocate the balance for the various programs as they will be defined initially. Sandy Masin indicated that she was a little uncomfortable with the $50/living unit amount proposed for the Trust Fund. She had no problem with the $25 amount, however, felt that $50 was excessive. After further discussion regarding c.r.:.: oial/industrial LL2ntial dedication fees, George Kubik suggested the Commission re--. z,' increasing commercial/residential to .05/sq.ft., accept the single family, duplex, townhouse/quads and apartment recommendation as presented and recommend a $50 per living unit fee for the Trust Fund. Steve Sullivan noted that this issue was presented for Commission review and that the November meeting would be a more appropriate time to make final recommendations to the Council. George Kubik then moved, Bob Porter seconded with all members voting in favor to table the discussion and recommendation of park d0,4c-a.tivn fees for 1989 until the November 3, 1988 Advisory Parks and Recreation, Cauiueission meeting. TOWN HALL Steve Sullivan explained that the relocation of the historic Town Hall was an issue that was being presented to the City Council this evening. The Commission had recommended that the relocation and preservation of the Town Hall be addressed and Steve presented two concept plans that would be presented to the City Council also for their recc<<nnndation. Advisory Parks and Recreation Commission Minutes of October 6, 1988 Meeting Page 6 In looking at the relocation of the Tc n Hall t e 0i i0 o of the Fire Administration Building with th ting pc-0 r_.; facilities wan taken into consideration. Currently the p 'king lot h 38 parking sta;It which becomes inadequate when there is a large event such as the Seniors meetings. Concept "A" as presented by Mr. Sullivan shows the expansion of the parking lot to 50 spaces that can accommodate both Seniors and fire department meetings. This plan shows a circular courtyard with the Town Hall moved to face the parking lot. Concept "B" shows the Town Hall oriented toward Pilot Knob Road leaving the parking lot at the present 38 parking stalls. Wayne Sames indicated that he appreciated the Co,-cfl'n t ore Committee's request to have the Town Hall oriented toward Pi leL Knob but in doing so it looses the symmetrical effect with the courtyard as presented in Concept "A". Sandy Masin suggested nestling the Town Hall more toward the wooded area west of Pilot Knob and still incorporate the courtyard effect that was shown. After further discussion, George Kubik moved, Sandy Masi! se Urded with vd n n al l members voting i n favor to recommend the placement of the To n I1- 1 of Pilot Knob Road, oriented perpendicular to Pilot Knob bond with the expansion of the parking lot to 50 parking spaces. The second option would be to place the Town Hall parallel to Pilot Knob Road with the parking lot expansion. PARKS PROJECTS Parks Planner Steve Sullivan updated the Commission on the various projects that are underway to date. The Pilot Knob hockey rink light c_mtra T has been let with scheduled completion expected by Christmas vacation. The rough grading is completed at Bur Oaks and the fine grading will be done in the spring. The rough grading is underway at Heine Lake and the sun shelter can be installed next spring if the Commission recommends its completion. The curb is in at Carnelian Park and Mooney Lake continues to be worked on. The parks trail is being installed at Slater Acres Park with landscaping to be done this fall. Trails staked this fall include Wilderness Run Road from Trapp Farm Park to Dodd, within Trapp Farm Park to Wilderness Run Road and Rahn Road from Diffley to the Highline Trail. Steve Sullivan then reviewed the Parks Development Status matrix show'Ing an update of all the parks development to date. The Commission thanked Steve for the excellent job in updating them on all this information noting is helps them see at a glance how development is proceeding. Advisory Parks and Recreation Commission Minutes of October 6, 1988 Meeting Page 7 GOALS AND OBJECTIVES Steve Sullivan reviewed the list of items Staff had compiled denoting park improvements that can be looked at and prioritized for the 1989 season. Noting that this was a very big list, Steve asked that the Commission give direction as to the highest priority items they felt should be completed. George Kubik asked that Staff provide the Commission ten th the dollar amo%"t and time left to complete the Park Bond Fund i1 „ li i J that these should be the highest priority. Bob Porter reco d that Mooney La:e sue the highest landscaping priority item. George Kubik asked that Staff revic~,w the list of possible park development items and 1.) determine the dollars remaining in the Bond Fund; 2.) make recommendations on what can realistically be accomplished based on the number of people hours required. The item was then tabled until the November 3, 1988 Commission meeting. COMMUNITY CENTER Steve Sullivan reviewed the results of the second Design Charette with Hastings and Chivetta regarding the site and preliminary concept plan of the interior of the building. The site plan shows the police access restricting public access, the building has shifted to provide for green space to the east of the building and the building shows the potential of possible expansion of a scnd sheet. The upper floorplan had all of the programming facilit' s that been requested by the various focus groups. The ice arena i! + -d on e upper level through the air lock coming into the central gall, area wit. h seating down to the arena allowing for a controlled access. The meeting -1,;:-ms were not located where they had originally been requested, however, this is an issue that is being discussed with the architects. The lower level provides access again to a control area to get to the gymnasium and natatorium with glassed walls/windows to the south. Some of the changes that have been suggest l a~:,r the prelimin.ii review have been to move the recreation, meeting rot d the front i'` building, have the arena office overlooking the ice a ,rol and mok zamboni room to the south side of the building. Consid.:r-tion is also beiri;j given to providing a service road entrance off Rocky Lane to the south side of the building. At this point in time the architects have been given some of the requests for changes and are working on the suggestions that have b,n provided. Steve Sullivan reviewed the time line fur the Community Cenjl),, stating that the most critical meeting would be Nun n)'-,~-T 29, 19E" ( Lie Council and Commission to review the architectural 'design, cost u, _ion Committee's comments and then to provide direction to the architect-. Advisory Parks and Recreation Commission Minutes of October 6, 1988 Meeting Page 8 Dick Carroll stated that Ken Vraa had met with the library people U d they have been very positive about the proposed site change. They are very supportive and want to help make this a successful project. Mr. Carrot so indicated that the Commission needed representatives to serve on th^ Lio?) Committee for the Community Center. Michele SwIm nn and Di c', i of l volunteered to serve in this capacity. The first ins, ~x i l l be T' -sday, October 13, 1988 at 7:00 P.M. PARK REPRESENTATIVE MEETING Dick Carroll noted for the record that the second hark i epr e sent i v1<e meeting would be held on Thursday, October 20, 1988, 7:00 P.M. at tin Eagan Municipal Center. MAINTENANCE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM Parks Superintendent VonDeLinde reminded the Commission that the first review of a maintenance management program occurred last fall. The classification of programming maintenance for facilities and the application of these programs has been done on a site by site and facility by facility basis. In establishing these programs, along with the turf manacemrmt programs, a resource manual has been compiled to help facilitate all of these needs. The goal for establishing these manuals and programs is to come back to the Commission so that policies can be set relative to on-going maintenance for both facilities and sites. Data sheets will also be completed to provide on-going maintenance at each facility to establish consistent maintenance/replacement guidelines on a long term basis. Member Carroll noted that once this program is complete and approved it will serve as an excellent basis for budgeting and maintenance purposes. WARMING HOUSE John VonDeLinde recapped the intention of purchasing the mobile warming house that the Commission visited before the meeting. George Kubik felt this was an excellent idea and felt the installation of a mobile facility would save money in the long term enabling it's use at a different location if the need was there. He suggested a review after the winter season use, possibly in March or April to see how effective this type of building etas. Wayne Sanws questioned the cost of renting a mobile unit as -r' hrrn done sn ti,_. pa t T was noted that the rental was $800 -1,000 plL_ lag wit t °v. =a Lhat occurs. By purchasing the trailer outright the debt cin he rehired ki years and the trailer would still be usable by the department. After further discussion, the consensus from the Commission members was that this was an excellent investment and should be open to consideration at a later date as well. Advisory Parks and Recreation Commission Minutes of October 6, 1988 Meeting Page 9 LILLIAN MCCARTHY PROPERTY Dick Carroll clarified for the C( ss i o tha question is located directly adjacent to the e: sting Patrick =ag:1 Park. Steve Sullivan explained that the Commission's ir;cention has been to try to acquire this parcel of property from Mrs. McCarthy as part of Patrick Eagan Park. Negotiations have been underway with Mrs. McCarthy but the last conversation between Ken Vraa and Mrs. McCarthy indicated that Mrs. McCarthy was not interested in selling at this time. Some of the options the Commission needs to consider are 1) not to pursue the cquisition of this property, 2) begin condemnation proceedings while continr.fHt<< negotiations with Mrs. McCarthy hoping for an equitable resolution for all parties. Steve Sullivan noted that Mr. Vraa's recommendation at this point would be optioc: 2 but because of the concern for Mrs. McCarthy the negotiations should include the understanding that she is to be allowed to stay on her property, in her home for as long as she would like. Member Masin wondered where the $48,000 amount came from and it wes noted that this was a dollar amount requested by Mrs. McCarthy for te~r~;;e° .rv and permanent easements. Sandy Masin further qu -tioned the etti:,t process noting that once it started, it could no:, stopped. It i roc'ci that it could be terminated once an agreement is nE jot i ated . Member Car roll expressed his preference in condemnation only if a life estate was part of the understanding from the beginning. After further discussion, George Kubik moved to recommend to the Council that condemnation proceedings begin concurrent with continuing negotiations with Mrs. McCarthy with the understanding that a life estate for Mrs. McCarthy be made a part of the condemnation proceedings. As a note of explanation to the record, this action is taken due to the inability to neco -late the purchase of this property to date and that it has always been the intention of the Council and Commission to purchase this property. The motion aas seconded by Bob Porter with all members voting in favor. RAHN ROAD TRAIL Steve Sullivan explained that the installation of a trail alon Rosa Road from Diffley to the Highline Trail had been approved by the City Cc=rncil earlier this evening. There were residents present who sua ested that tie trail would not be safe and that it would devalue their property, however tr=y Council remained firm in their support of the total trail system. UNISYS TRAIL Steve Sullivan brought the issue of a trail between Quarry and Pilot Knob Parks back to the Commission based on a recent meeting with tris~: regarding their understanding of the location of the trail. The ree;li t with Unisys places the trail directly behind the residents' homes to the w 't Advisory Parks and Recreation Commission Minutes of October 6, 1988 Meeting Page 10 and southwest of Pilot Knob Park near the north/northwest corner of ,l:sys property. A list has been compiled of the neighboring residents and a .:2eting should be scheduled to make them aware of the trail plan. Staff is looking for direction from the Commission on how this should be handled. George Kubik noted for the record that this is an issue that has been brought to the Commission on several different occasions, that Unisys has been a very difficult neighbor to deal with and it is not appreciated. Member Masin asked if there was a round about way to connect these two parks without having to go through these neighbors back yards. Steve Sullivan responded that it was possible but the trail would be 8 times the distance as crossing in this location. George Kubik again expressed his frustration in the fact that there have been 3 verbal agreements in the past with Unisys to do this trail and the actual alignment always seems to change when it get: to the point near construction. It was also noted that this agre-nent was of the tax increment funding that was provided by t- City. r. 'uhksL ~e that the first agreement for a trail was a di--,( -1 line i t i 1 o t. K,1,11-lb L Quarry over the gas line, the second was on thr rod side o v ,e brew around the Unisys property and now the third shows it going through the back yard of residents adjacent to the Unisys property. After futher discussion, Dick Carroll asked that this item be tabled until the November 3, 1988 meeting. In the meantime, Staff is directed to research the agreement with Unisys to determine exactly what the City has agreed to rather than accept the interpretation of the agrnoient as well as determining the timing of the agreement. Dick Carroll moved, George Kubik seconded with all members voting in favor to table this issue until November 3, 1988. SITKO CLOSING INTERVIEW Dorothy Peterson and John VonDeLinde conducted an exit irate: F=aith v ndirg Mr. Sitko recapping his first year's experience vi,'b oortable business. Mr. Sitko indicated that he recovered 10, o, h ;e costs but , t he met some neat people during the experience. He is forward to starting on the first day of the softball season next year. Dorothy indicated that the comments from park users were very favorable and that Mr. Sitko did an excellent job in cleaning up after each use. EVERGREEN PARK John VonDeLinde explained that this item was it o' i ic,znal fm- s- 11 Commission. Thomas Lake Park and Evergreen Park have bees: i~ t d as sites for some time. The plans are to drill one of the ,veils I n EVergr Park this winter on the south side of the pleasure rink. This will b+ a permanent structure incorporating the shelter designs that have been used in Advisory Parks and Recreation Commission Minutes of October 6,1988 Meeting Page 11 existing shelter buildings. John also noted that there are 7 wells that will go into this well field. George Kubik asked if mitigation would be considered for the disruption to the park area. ROUNDTABLE Chairman Carroll asked if there were any comments on t`- letters had been attached to the packet. Sandy Masin asked why the toi home owners Woodgate were the only people being assessed for trail extension along Johnny Cake Ridge Road. Steve Sullivan responded that R-1 owners cannot be assessed for trails, thus the multiple zoning and commercial/industrial zoning owners are responsible for this expense. Dick Carroll asked the Commission ennbers to take note o, the letter regarding the skateboarding liability issuu. George Kubik asked if there has been proper safeguarding along Fisi-, I. on Pilot Knob for erosion control. Steve Sullivan indicated that they done a good job to date but would physically inspect and report back to Commission his findings. George Kubik asked who had agreed to the chain link fence alor *w, a{,. side of Pilot Knob near LeMay Lake. Steve Sullivan explained that t.y he had drawn a fence design using tubular fence as an e 1pie, de L the color and design however the design was never put into the d,.?lopment agreement. Member Kubik asked how the parks are recovering from the drought. Mr. VonDeLinde responded that everything is going very well at this tine The reseeding is done but the status of the trees will not be fully kn _ Iti 1 next spring. With no further business to conduct, George Kubik moved, Dick Carroll seconded with all members voting in favor to adjourn. The meeting was adjourned at 11:00 P.M. DATE SECRETARY MEMORANDUM TO: ADVISORY PARKS A MD REC FATIO COMMISSION O : STEVE S LLIV , LA DSG- ARCHITECT/PARKS PLA ' DATE- OCTOBER 27, 1988 RE: NOVEMBER 3, 1988 CONSENT AGENDA BACKGROUND THOMAS G. SLATER ADDITION - THOMAS G. SLATER A Rezoning of 1.5 AG (Agricultural) acres to an R-1 (Single Family) district and a Preliminary Plat consisting of two lots located north of Rusten Road and Storland Road in the SW 1/4 of Section 31. Recommendation: The proposal be subject to a cash parkland dedication. 15. MEMORANDUM TO: ADVISORY PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION FRO : STEVE SULLIVAN, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT/PARKS PLANNER DATE: OCTOBER 31, 1988 RE: RAHN/CLIFF - 2ND ADDITION POND AP-44 PROPOSAL The proposal is for a Comprehensive Guide Plan Amendment, and rezoninczr~~! Limited Business/Roadside Business to Commercial Planned Development. This proposal also includes the plat of six (6) lots and three (3) outlots on 16.8 acres. The proposed land uses are for a bank, resturant, fast food, office and retail. The proposal is currently scheduled to go before the City Council for final plat review. BACKGROUND The site's southern property line is directly adjacent to the northerly unimproved section of Kettle Park. This area was left undisturbed with the development of the park. It's primary use is for storm water retention as identified by the Comprehensive Storm Sewer Plan. This ponding area is referenced as AP-44. The Commission has previously reviewed the proposal at the July 7, 1988 Advisory Parks & Recreation Commission meeting. The Commission motion was as follows George Kubik moved to direct Staff to provide a draft policy regarding runoff into parkland for all classes of developers, which is to be reviewed by the Commission at the August meeting. Sandy Masin seconded the motion with all members voting in favor. Dick Carroll moved, George Kubik seconded, with all members ,,o iiny in favor to insist on filtration prior to water run-off coming into park property. The developer to do grading and stockpile along the right-of- way of 35E and the normal cash parkland dedication would be required for Rahn/Cliff 2nd Addition. ANALYSIS In response to Commission member Kubik's motion, staff is currently participating as a member of the Comprehensive Water Quality Plan Committee. This committee is establishing classifications which would set water quality standards for every pond in Eagan. The unimproved pond has a preliminary classification as a nutrient trap. The pond within the improved Kettle Park has a preliminary classification for storm water holding, although staff suggests reclassification to a wildlife/scenic designaticr. Staff has reviewed Commission member Caroll's ties with the Department. They contend that Pond AP-44 is intended fm~ water sGors, sediment removal and phosphorous reduction. Therefore, a 7-8' deep pond allowing 4.7 acre foot storage is necessary. A sump manhole prior to outflow would reduce sedimentation into the pond. Engineering Department would not object to a sump manhole, although no maintenance operation and policy currently exists. The last item for discussion is the configuration of~ prc,a. ThU ..F,;has submitted grading plans which depict ;he pond 1 t ' e a presentation regarding the pond configuration. FOR COMMISSION APPROVAL The Commission may consider the following recommendations: 1. To have an environmental manhole installed within the Rabe;/Cliff 2nd Addition. 2. To approve/disapprove the pond configuration. /</\9; / l 4 ? \ ! \ ~ Its'. , / b ` y/// , Ilff + l ~ G~ f / r' t r~®YY( d Grp r f dy Mfr ~f 1 ~ ° d! ~ _ fry V ~ y~ err„r ' r ~Sa. q I+ a r/' •a jr{ i, t/' R jt t o CLIFF ROAD 1 ~ ~oon;c ,t a 0\ C3 T: an rs a, r1 8 r-o 1 Cfi 11 I "I F°.~ i Ii1 f II III I EIS 1 iti 1? hi Ii~~ ! !1 !F n r- 0 nil! 1} L~t~j~ a''~ yr ir>ill~i~ tJ lf' g ~ . ~ I I ICI ^r°nn G,K ~ i ° ~ 1 ~ itl c=c ~ cc£ ~~ccs ~ ce£ t m flE a c r ear e a r N IIc Ec R~ShFRRSRAR c ~R wwemo tcFVhNL;L1H- PLAZA rA"APo, «Po James Hell, H IC PRELIMINARY UTILITY PLAN emu" ~Y~ 'S o w. AusTiN SMITH PLANNERS ENG1W F W: MEMORANDUM TO: PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION -ROM: KEN VRAA, DIRECTOR OF PARKS & RECREATION DATE: OCTOBER 25, 1988 SUBJECT: PARKS DEDICATION BACKGROUND At the October Commission meeting there was discussion regarding the add .ioni of as much as fifty dollars ($50.00) to the parks dedication contribution, for a separate trust fund account to be used primarily for forestation. There was some question by the Commission as to the legality of doing so. DISCUSSION The State Law which provides for a parks dedication, as well as judicial 1 is based on the concept of "reasonablenes This must be supporte documentation of needs created by new development. Eagan has done just _ ~t with its Parks Systems Plan and the standards created within it. TE e standards relate to, and are consistent with the City's parkland dedication policies and resultant cash dedications, in lieu of land. Lakeville is charging One-hundred thirty-five dollars ($135) per unit for a trails construction fund. Whether this is legal or not under the State Statues is yet to be determined. As developers are often in a rush to complete their projects, there may be less resistance and more of a willingness to simply "pay the fee" rather than to challenge the dedication policy if they feel a challenge might result in slowing down their project. At the same time, Lakeville has done an extensive Master Trails Plan, and because they are at the entry 1 evel for that Trails Systems Plan, they Tay have a very justifiable case for including trails as part of their parks dedication formula. Again, the question will come down to reasonableness if and when that fee is challenged. If they have been reasonable, it teY have been consistent, if they can prove a relationship bcttwe,en Impact's residential development and the need for the system - they may very well be on safe ground. There are two principles within the Lakeville example that we need to look at then. (1) Is it fair, reasonable and is there a relationship between demand/impact of development on the park system, and (2) Is payment of the fee easier for the developer than challenging it? TRUST FUND The concept of a Trust Fund has been discussed for several months now. Staff had hoped to have most if not all the issues involved worked out with a structure for the fund. However, the volume of required work for this, and several other projects, in spite of the significance that we, as the Commission and staff, have placed on it - simply have not been able to find sufficiently large blocks of time to work on this project to bring it to completion. While the eagerness to put this fund into act - n is mf, en , it may place the City in an awkward position by requiring a -natnibu.tio=n; bc`"h- e there is an adopted policy for such a trust fund. Although, it is aw ar , and it may be doing last things first - it is staff's inclination not to forego the opportunity to obtain at least some funding by implementation of an additional cash dedication for each living unit. It is staff's opinion that an additional ten dollars ($10.00) per living unit could be collected as part of the park cash dedication >srith those fund, marked for a future trust fund, within the existing acqul:itinrn development fund. Although this is a smaller amount Lt n by the Commission, a larger amount may not be defensible until addite=al raced. been determined. PARK DEDICATION POLICY RECOMMENDATION At the October Commission meeting, it appears the Commission was in agreement that parks dedication fees for commercial/industrial property would go Lo .05 cents per square foot, a single family would go to $514.00, duplex at $180,00, townhouse to $408.00 and apartments $415.00. It would be ap>ropriate for the Commission now to review, and make a determination if they wish to add additional dollars to these amounts for a future trust fund/or reforestation activity and for recommendation of the new rates to the City Council. KV/bls MEMORANDUM TO: ADVISORY PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION FRO : KEN VRAA, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION DOROTHY PETERSON, RECREATION SUPERVISOR MEL BAILEY, INTERN DATE: OCTOBER 31, 1988 RE: SNOWMOBILE POLICY RESEARCH BACKGROUND At the October 6th Advisory Parks ar, . °oa t. r o Com ssi or yr i ng, the Commission requested Staff to research th snowmobile policies in neighboring communities. An addendum to the survey would be to learn whether neighboring cities are considering banning snowmobiles in the near future. COMMUNITY INFORMATION The City of Lakeville's ordinance toward snowmobiles is very much like E in reference to City streets. Snowmobiles ma not operate on school grL boulevards, sidewalks or shoulders of County highways. For the most part, snowmobiles are prohibited From operating in City parks. Lakeville does allow snowmobiles on bike trails. Lakeville has a strong snowmobile club with whom the Director of Parks and Recreation works closely. The snowmobile trail system is extensive, however a squeeze is beginning to be felt as more and more developers remove land from use for the snowmobile trail system. Banning snowmobiles in Lakeville is several years away; it is not c_::- ~pk-eah.' at all at this time. The City of Inver Grove Heights allows snowmobiles on streets as in the Eagan ordinance. They may not be run on the shoulder or right of way of any County highway unless expressly approved by the County. Snowmobiles may not operate in parks or on City trails. Two parks in Inver Grove Heights are expected as desiAgi 3ted travel r ter to the extensive snowmobile trail system. The route is posted and s iownobi l e operation in other areas of the park is prohibited. The Director of Parks and Recreation's response to banning snowmobiles wa that they'd "never be banned in Inver Grove Heights". That city is said to have the highest proportion of snowmobilers for an urban area. Inver Grove Heights has an avid snowmobile club with whom the department works extensively. The club polices the trail; maverick use is rare. Construction of the new freeway through Inver Grove Heights will change the major trail system. It is possible that at some point in the future, snowmobiles could be banned north of Highway 55 but "never completely banned", according to Parks and Recreation Director, Anderson. Policy in the City of Apple Valley mirrors Er. en's uinmce, and ent policies. A snowmobile club, which annually requests 'snnc ')bile trails" is in existence. Unlike in Inver Grove Heights and Lakevill , tho club does not assist with making and policing trails. I n Apple Valley, as in Eagan, snowmobi l ers ride inappropriately in parks and school grounds. Policing is difficult. In response to the question of banning snowmobiles, the of Parks and Recreation said that he felt it was 2 or rt At least, until the snowmobile club no longer requests ,}r= In the City of Burnsville, snowmobiles are not allowed on str =_ts zeds are not allowed within 150 feet of a house. As in Eagan, snowmobiles are prohibited on public land. The Superintendent of Recreation Services reported that snowmn iles in Burnsville are in essence banned with the exception of Crystal Lake, ic) is a combination of DR, County and City jurisdiction and to date ::i -)files do operate on that lake. In the City of Rosemount, snowmobiles are prohibited on park and school property. Public streets may be used only as a direct route to and from a designated trail. State of Minnesota laws, rules and regulations state that municipal laws can supersede state law in terms of imposing additional restricti-ins or prohibitions on the operation of recreational motor vehicles on pr not owned by the operator. Dakota County provides an extensive trail system in its regional parks. Snowmobiles are limited to those designated trails when in the park. Additionally, snowmobiles may be operated in the right-of-way of County roads and on private property with the owner's permission. Municipal regulations can supersede the County. ISSUES The "neighbors" who were surveyed can be classified on a range of rural to urban. Dakota County, Inver Grove Heights, Rosemount and Lakeville are on the rural end of the scale. Burnsville might be considered the most urban. The cities of Eagan and Apple Valley are emerging from rural to urban. Where snowmobiles in Eagan are concerned, one issue to be addressed is, is the City now more urban than rural? A second consideration is whether the action taken for the 1987-88 t,>,ile season, i.e. elimination of designated snowmobile trails in the City of Eagan, is the continued appropriate bridge between rural and urban at this time. Finally, the course of action discussed at the f=-.tc ber 6, 1988 Commission meeting was to consider recommendation to ban s:_ im:oobiles in the City, the exception being on private property. FOR COMMISSION ACTION It is appropriate for the Commission to make a recommendation at this time if the direction to be pursued regarding snowmobile use in the City is more stringent than what is now allowed by ordinance and in practice. MEMORANDUM TO: ADVISORY PARKS RECREATION COMMISSION FRO : KEN DIRECTOR OF PARKS RECREATION DOROTHY PETERSON, RECREATION SUPERVISOR DATE: OCTOBER 25, 1988 RE: WELL SITE PARK, 1988-89 SKATING SEASON STAFF REPORT As plans progress for the 1988-89 winter skating season, an issue that taff has addressed is - which park will provide an area large enough to crci } e a speed skate oval? Among the criteria considered were contour, Iightinn :end usage history of the site. The Commission may recall that the department's Speed Skating Program has been conducted at Goat Hill Park for the past two winters. In addition to the pleasure rink being too small for the activity, the increased use of Goat Hill Park by neighborhood users and hockey teams for practices has made it extremely difficult to conduct speed skating practices at that site. The following parks were assessed as possible sites on which an ice _~uta<.:e large enough for a speed skate oval could be pl<- Woodhaven Park: The field area adjacent to the hockey rink would be minimally large enough, the slope would require considerable berm on the south end and temporary lighting would be required. The pattern of use at Woodhaven would have allowed room for the speed skate program. Northview Park: Both parking lots were considered. The south p rkinc,, le. considered to be minimally large enough, only a 100 meter oval wc:nld avz bc-'-n feasible prior to drop off to the pond. I ho, slope on the n 7 ^ _ lot would have required considerable tnr<<. T sorry lightin,. shelter would have been required. No pattern of prior usage was a factor. Bridle Ridge Park: The slope would have required significant berm to create a rink large enough for speed skating. The planned pleasure rink lighting would have been insufficient for a larger rink. In that no shelter is planned for 1988-89 season, Bridle Ridge was considered inappropriate. Well Site Park: The area of the park is large enough for a 200 meter oval with a 40 foot radius on the turn. Lighting is in place. A review of the pattern of use indicates that casual hockey has declined a er , 10 players during the hours recorded. No hockey team been scheduled at the site since 1984. Pleasure skate,, hockey usage. The hockey boards are in a state of det,.rioratitun. irt`r el grading is required. A warming trailer is planned for the site. Staff consensus has narrowed the choice to Well Site Park for development of a speed skate oval. Enebek Construction, the general contractor for the i i ih. 0=Y M;~ Noe= t has stored equipment at Well Site Park for the past ev?ra hs. n'd a begun grading the park driveway and parking lot. Fr r~ eruct i~? ha indicated a willingness to complete the minimal grading requ : rd, for the rneo skating configuration. The hockey rink will be removed in the next several days. Should Commission members wish to review the site, current access can be made off Lakeside Drive and the trail between homes. Staff is very excited about this visibl E home for sp i i g. P,:' we will challenge other South of the River coiiiinunities to COMMISSION ACTION: There is no action required by the Commission on this item. TO: ADVISORY PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION FROM: STEVE SULLIVAN, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT/PARKS PLANNER DATE: OCTOBER 28, 1988 RE: WELL SITE PARK BACKGROUND The improvement of County Road #31 resulted in the re-design of Well Site Park. The road proposal re-orients the park access to the north and the additional 10' of fill places sideslopes into the free skatin area. The Commission has previously renewed and approved the re-design of I irk. The park is to be built this fall allowing winter programming o' ie existing hockey rink and proposed free skate area. ISSUE The item for discussion is whether the park should be implemented according to the pending re-design or a speed skate rink be considered. Staff will be making a presentation to the Commission regarding the alternative designs. SS/bls MEMORANDUM TO: ADVISORY PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION " M: KEN VRAA, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION DATE: OCTOBER 25, 1988 RE: 1989 PARK PRIORITIES BACK,, U At the October meeting, the Commission had an opportunity to review the proposed 1989 development items. The Commission requested that this list be prioritized recognizing that not all projects listed will be completed. PROJECT PRIORITIES : A code system has been used to identify priorities fo A the top with descending letters indicating lower prioriti~.s. In one or to instances, such as playground equipment, numbers have also been used, i.e. Al, A2, etc. to help to identify the order of installation, etc. Please remember that staff will try to combine similar projects into 1 e groups to obtain the best possible pricing. This has had, and will v effect on the implementation of these priorities. And of course, time and energy commitment to the Community Center project; rated; Group A: 1988 Carry over Projects: Contract 88-13 - Parks Grading Contract 88-21 - Park Shelter Buildings Park Reseeding Trails: Rahn Road Trapp Farm Mooney Lake Bur Oaks Well Site Park Complete Grading Inspections Heine Pond Park Complete Grading Inspections Mooney Lake - Clean Up Project See Attachment Staff believes this to be a reasonable approach to next year's projects considering the many variables that come into the decision making process. It's very likely that this list will be re-prioritized as time continues and new irformation or problems are incurred. FOR C(MMISSION ACTION Review and comment, with direction to revise as appropriate. Action to approve and recommend to City Council as 1989 work program. T. _ ADVISORY PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION DATE: OCTOBER 3, 1988 RE: 1989 GOALS AND OBJECTIVES: PARKS DEVELOPMENT A. GOALS AND OBJECTIVES: PARK PLANNING DIVISION PRIMARY TASK/GOAL PARK PRIGRI-'~ RESPONSIBILITIES *Design, construction Construct neighborhood park W-escott' documents, construction and related 1st phase tEtion A-1 administration & management facilities. under City contract Willmus** A-2 **NOTE: Construct neighborhood park Carlson Lake A-4 A construction contract may and related 1st phase facilities n )e possible given the d in issues. An "A" priority Construct community park and Bl,r-". A-3 is for design only. related 1st phase facilities { *Inspection, testing, Construct neighborhood Bur Oaks B construction administration park and related 1st Manor Lake B & supervision under private phase facilities contract A *Inspection, testing Construct special use/athletic Well Site construction administration park and related 1st phase & supervision under contract facilities contract by other governmental agency. *Programming, design evaluation Construct pavilion/shelter Blackhawk A construction, administration building management. Construct picnic shelter I Heine Pond B buildings Trapp Farm B Kettle Park B Evergreen A Construct park shelter building Bridle Ride B *Design supervise installation Implementation playground Trapp Farm [ -I equipment construction O'Leary A-2 Ohmann B Kettle Park A-4 Bridle Ridi e A-5 Cedar Pond A-3 Northvic-, Slater IC r -s B *Design supervise installation Implementation of landscaping O'Leary C and reforestation Thomas L,Ie A Lakesidi A Northvi, B Wood an A Kettle A Bridle Ridge A Well Site C Pilot Knob C South Oak .s tam„~~, ;,1 I r A(.-. r s *Design, construction management Implementation of trailways Thomas Lake A and administration Bur Oaks A Northview B Open Space Bridle Ridge B *Design & supervise installation Implementation of plaza Jill A areas, dock deck, observation aduwlands a B deck Fish Lake I A O'Leary B Thomas Lake I B Blackhawk 1111 C Highline Tr. Corridor B *Design, construction documents, Implementation of tennis courts Northview A construction administration and construction Bur Oaks A management *Design & supervise construction Implementation of horseshoe Tripp Farm B courts in Park B ad OWands A rnol i an A r *Design, construction documents, Implementation of athletic Bridle Ridge A construction administration & lighting Northview A management. Ohmann B *Design, construction documents, Implementation of parking lot Thomas Lake A construction administration and lighting Ohmann B management *Design, construction documents Implementation of backstop Northview A & supervise construction fencing Lakeside B Bur Oaks B Ohmann B *Design & supervise construction Implementation of soccer Carnelian A bankboard *Design & supervise construction Implementation of parking lot Bur Oaks A construction entory and graphics Update as-built drawings All current parks and A facilities *Design, provide alternatives Masterplanning Northview Park B Road Entrance Kehne House C Patrick Eagan C Windtree A Lex/Diffley A Site *Design and supervise Implementation of comprehensive Park System A signage system *Construction Hockey Rinks Bridle Ridge A-1 Replacement: Well Site A-2 Replacement: Rahn A-2 *Construction Implementation of Irrigation Northview A-2 Rahn A-1 *Construction Implementation of Infields Northview A Ohmann B MEMORANDUM TO: TOM HEDGES, CITY ADMINISTRATOR HONORABLE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL ADVISORY PARKS RECREATION COMMISSION FRO KEN VRAA, DIRECTOR OF PARKS RECREATION DATE: OCTOBER 31, 1988 RE: COMMUNITY CENTER UPDATE COUNTY REVIEW The Dakota County Library Board has ri., I , nproval for s cf ~s to the Wescott Library site, which were inc ^porat i to the Con r stn i'_y Cent r Site Plan. The Physical Development Committee vot d 3 - 0 to recommend to the Dakota County Board of Commissioners the approval for these changes. It is expected that the Dakota County Board will also make the necessary approvals. This approval would direct the county attorney's office to provide an easement to the City to allow for changes in the roadway design and parking lot which will be on Dakota County property and for County Staff to work with the City staff in developing a site plan incorporating appropriate signage and landscaping for the entire site. REACTION COMMITTEE At the first meeting of the Citizens Reaction Committee on the 13th of October, and again on the evening of October 27th, there were many good comments. Regarding the building plan the Reaction Committee suggested (1) a need to define an aerobics/jazzercise area which would be s, :-id controlled, (2) a designated area for crafts (which are messy) an;' :null not be accommodated effectively in the community rooms. It was sn e the area shown under the community rooms which is now being shown as u"-xc:avated space be used. (3) They were also concerned that the program space for Tiny Tots was not large enough to accommodate the number of children and possible programs, (4) operations of the concessions, (5) the entire building appears to be "too" compact and has there been too much square footage squeezed out. (6) Discussion involved the seating for the ice arena, however when it was explained that each seat could cost in excess of $500, given the initial requirements for space, etc., there seemed to be less willingness to expand the seating, with preference to put those dollars into other areas. The reaction, overall, was very positive about the plan, and several members individually stated they really liked what had been developed. Outside of some minor changes, there seemed to be a strong, positive feeling by everyone. The architectural team took several pages of notes, which will be helpful for evaluation and cost estimating of the proposed building. There was concern expressed that space may be dominated by particular interest groups and that use by others will be restricted in ice arena by hockey, community room by meetings, activity gym by basketball. It was suggested that perhaps a p c commitment needed to be developed which would go along with the building', plats ~$3 explaining that the facility is a family and diverse use facility. The group and staff team will be reviewing the project plans i nfet we will be sending those comments to the architects as soon as pos b =e, the Advisory Parks & Recreation Cc ssion will have it's review, aind comment session at the November 3rd Commission meeting. Direction to the architects has been to evaluate the proposed changes for incorporation into the building plan and then to develop a projected/feasibility cost estimate for construction. It is hopeful that this cost refinement will be completed by November 22nd, the target d 4or V- C, next reaction committee meeting. The meeting will not et d ! .it~vH y until the middle of next week, after the orlr"s a f ul a chance to review the proposed building plan. Members of the Commission and Council are asked to reserve November 29, which was previously targeted as a joint meeting date with the architect to review changes, the cost estimates and to provide direction to the architect as to any further modifications. POOL PLAN REVIEW On Friday, Milt Bellin, Minnesota State Health Depare of Division, met with architects and staff to review the irelifr:r-;. y concert plans envisioned for the swimming pool. It was a very fruitful four hour session with Mr. Bellin, and appreciated his time commitment. Although, it appears that Mr. Bellin has moved favorably in the direction of approving some of the concepts envisioned for the pool, we are still somewhat dismayed by the proposals that were not warmly received disspite the fact that These concepts are currently being employed in several other states, and n"-,et National Sanitation Foundation approvals. Nevertheless, the architects and staff 11 be detailing some of these proposals in sketch form to help the various officials to visualize and review these concepts. We then believe that t y will either be received or rejected, and if rejected opened to the variance procedures. KV/bls MEMORANDUM TO: ADVISORY PARKS RECREATION COMMISSION FROM: MEL BAILEY, PARKS RECREATION INTERN DATE: OCTOBER 27, 1988 RE: EAGAN PARK REPRESENTATIVES UPDATE The purpose of this memo is to give the Commission a progress report on the neighborhood park representatives. Thursday, October 20th, was the second meeting of this "unoffici_l." organization. There were various topics covered at .e meetin . <<e organization's objectives and guidel ir, , nar' ro ;t s ta u . ~ 1 activities, winter maintenance procedure -nd goal: For 1 .s deer 1otcn nt were the main issues reported by staf. Chairran Carroll was also in attendance in a supportive role. The meeting ended by allowing representatives to discuss with staff individual park concerns. RECRUITMENT The most recent count of representatives n w stands at thirty. 11-0-- lea only five (5) selected parks without i ~tatives. Staff h li e that these openings will be filled as word o he organization spreads in tho community. ADDITIONAL COMMENTS The logical question which needs to be addressed is "where do we gc -om here?" One suggestion made on October 20th was to have a rr ting in F v in conjunction with the Community Center Referendum. Any the is to ~ during the spring to allow staff to discuss issues connected with se-1 anal park department projects. COMMISSION DISCUSSION, Staff welcomes any comments the Commission might have regarding this organization. Enclosed is an updated list of park representatives for your utilization. MB/bls Attach. EAGAN PARK REPRESENTATIVES PARK VOLUNTEER TELEPHONE 1. BLACKHAWK PARK John Epple (H) 452-5290 3856 Riverton Ave. Eagan, MN 55122 2. BRIDLE RIDGE PARK Robin Fluin (H) 454-2951 3870 Canter Glen Lane Eagan, MN 55123 3. BURR OAKS PARK Jean Schroeder (H) 452-3352 570 Chapel Lane Eagan, MN 55121 4. CARLSON LAKE PARK Robert Sandeen (W) 643-2649 1304 E. Balsam Trail (H) 454.-5784 Eagan, MN 55123 5. CARNELIAN PARK Maureen Janke (H) 688-6267 1790 Taconite Trail (W) 297-4956 Eagan, MN 55122 6. CEDAR POND PARK Linda Palmer (H) 452-7803 2065 Emerald Lane Eagan, MN 55122 7. COUNTRY HOME PARK Steve Mexner (H) 688-0477 2838 Vilas Lane Eagan, MN 55121 8. FISH LAKE PARK Stella Lundquist (H) 452-9300 1360 Dresdon Ct. Eagan, MN 55123 9. GOAT HILL PARK John Uebel (H) 452-8437 4392 Capicorn Ct. Eagan, MN 55123 10. HIGHVIEW PARK Marie Benson (H) 452-2227 3140 Quarry Ct. Eagan, MN 55121 1 11. KETTLE PARK Dale Klossuer (H) 688-2984 2025 Pin Oak Dr. Eagan, MN 55122 12. LAKESIDE PARK Cindy Furrer (W) 835-9933 542 Atlantic Hill Dr. (H) 454-6103 Eagan, MN 55123 13. MEADOWLAND PARK John Schmidt (W) 831-6500 1910 Bear Path Tr. (H) 454-0526 Eagan, MN 55122 14. MOONSHINE PARK Wayne Larson (H) 688-0945 1321 Jurdy Rd Eagan, MN 55121 15. OAK CHASE PARK Phyllis Ligman (H) 454-2960 4374 Garden Trail Eagan, MN 55122 16. GEORGE OHMANN PARK Joe Miller (H) 681.-9009 4640 Fairway Hills Dr. Eagan, MN 55123 17. O'LEARY PARK Richard Meyer (W) 725-1297 1181 Kihi Wake Cir. (H) 688-8114 Eagan, MN 55123 18. PERIDOT PATH Cherryl Mesko (W) 454-8100 3995 Peridot Path Eagan, MN 55122 19. PILOT KNOB PARK Sandra Meyer (H) 452-8963 3058 Woodlark Lane Eagan, MN 55121 20. QUARRY PARK Jeff Michaelis (H) 452-1176 3233 Donald Avenue Eagan, MN 55121 21. RAHN PARK Benita Soller (H) 454-3397 4259 Limestone Dr. Eagan, MN 55122 2 22. RIDGECLIFF PARK Mark Ochs (W) 896-0596 1797 Covington Lane (H) 681-9207 Eagan, MN 55122 23. SKY HILL PARK Paul Reyes (H) 454-3399 1765 Crestridge Eagan, MN 55122 24. SLATER ACRES PARK Mary Packwood (H) 890-4616 2170 James St. Eagan, MN 55122 Amjad Ahmad (H) 894-7543 4807 Slater Ct. (W) 481-7642 Eagan, MN 55122 25. SOUTH OAKS PARK Phil Sherwood (W) 881-5400 676 N. Hay Lake Rd. (H) 456-5673 Eagan, MN 55123 26. TRAPP FARM PARK Cathy Batholet (W) 829-8771 781 Cougar Dr. (H) 452-2096 Eagan, MN 55123 27. WALDEN HEIGHTS PARK Jackie Taylor (H) 454-4153 1485 Thomas Lane (W) 456-8110 Eagan, MN 55122 28. WALNUT HILL PARK Deb Haupt (H) 452-4910 1067 Tiffany Dr. Eagan, MN 55123 29. WOODHAVEN PARK Carlos McKee (H) 454-3630 3947 Beryl Rd Eagan, MN 55122 3 DEPARTMENT HA ' IN S 1. The 1988 Groundpounders Grand Prix Running Series ended successfully with the Apple Valley Fore by 4 Run on Sunday, October 23rd. 2. The Halloween Party for children is to be held on October 29, t Woodland Elementary instead of the Fire Administration Community F:,'1,,,11 because of increased participation over the years. 3. The Halloween Spook Trail will be held at Woodhaven n Cr:. ud.,or 31st from 6:00 - 8:00 P.M. This year we will have a movie theme with Freddy Krueger from "Nightmare on Elm Street," Jason from "Halloween" and Herman Munster from "The Munsters" startling those that walk the trail. Twenty-one volunteers, including nine girl scouts will be staffing the trail. 4. A school's out party was held on Friday, Octet}or 21°+ h 5 participants. Games, relays, crafts, pizza and ice parts highlights. 5. Me Two!, a new program offered this fall for Moms and Dads and their two year olds is being held at the Sky Hill Park shelter building. Sixteen participants and their two year olds are enjoying their time toyH:h by singing, painting and learning new games. 6. Imagine That! is another new pr -,r,~; being offer(rd. -,.,,r, "r 'Y x, and girls, ages 3 - 5 enjoy ti; Apicring D',E;csau s, " u Dr. Seuss. 7. Maintenance Staff completed the installation of irrigation lines and sprinkler heads at Rahn Athletic Park. Final clean-up of the site has been completed, along with top dressing and over seeding . Re-sodding of the senior league athletic field will also be done in preparation tor games next spring. Final installation of the mechanical pad and pump will be done early next year, at which time the system will oe activated. 8. Work also began on the underground irrigation sprinkler system for Ohmann Park. As of October 26, the mainline had been installed and the three soccer fields were nearing completion. With favorable weather the fourth soccer field/softball field overlay will be completed in early November with dormant seeding and mulching by Central Landscaping to follow. 9. The irrigation systems at Goat Hill and N~or=L iew Park rc blown out and winterized. At seasons end approximately 3.7 and 2.9 million gallons were used in the Northview and Goat Hill systems respectively, equating to about 15 inches of supplemental precipitation. 10. The installation of replacement and new sod was completed at several parks this fall. These included South Oaks, Quarry, Walnut Hill, Sky Hill and Trapp Farm. The aeration and over-seeding of various soccer fields, such as Northview, Blue Cross/Blue Shield and Rahn Park we e completed in October. Dormant fertilization has also begun. Centre! Landscaping completed re-seeding and mulching of the parks coa t= clo in 1987, which included O'Leary, Vienna 'roods, "z' ''.Jean(' i l Parks. These programs conclude all planned hall 1-,- T ~a wr r.< 11. Mowing of the parks and boulevards also came to a conclusion by mid- October. Seasonal crews assigned to the mowing routes assisted with irrigation, sodding and other fall development. 12. Maintenance and improvement of the softball infields at Metcalf High School began in October, under a cooperative ve"ture with he Burnsville School District. These fields are used by the City % n programming adult and youth softball. The school district com„nTt $4,000 for new aglime with manpower and equipment furnished by the Parks & Recreation Department. Fall aglime maintenance and enrichment was also completed by staff at Goat Hill, Northview and Rahn Athletic fields, and Walnut Hill and Ridgecliff neighborhood parks. 13. The fall soccer program came to conclusion with the haute cer tournament on October 8th, at Sky Hill Park. The junior° oc,_ coals have since been moved off of the neighborhood parks to dis o ra to the still sensitive turf. 14. Maintenance staff installed new backhoe diggers in the playgrounds at Meadowlands and Lakeside Parks. 15. Implementation of the 1988 portion of the Five Year Bi4_minous Maintenance Program was completed with the color coating ar? `airier gate rehabilitation at four neighborhood tennis courts. Th' ok was contracted with Tennis West and involved courts at Oak Chase, Woodhiavon, Evergreen and Pilot Knob Parks. 16. The old hockey rink lighting at Pilot Knob Park was removed in October. Plans are also going ahead to remove supplemental lighting from Highview Hockey Rink to bring it more in line with pleasure rink lighting needs. 17. Preparations are already underway for the sledding hill at Tr Faux; Park. Mowing has been completed and temporary fencing and to features are soon to be installed. 18. Installation of replacement trees on sites which incurred the heaviest losses, was completed in October. A combination of machine moved and nursery stock was used. Landscaping of the Woodland Elementary School/Park was begun in October; forty Ash, forty Pine and seven Oak trees were planted. Forestry staff also participated with the elementary grades in the planting of trees on the grounds, as Least. of the school's "Reach For Th- Sky" dedicati=gin. Staff spoke ore the importance of conservation trees in the cwmm unity. 19. The Parks and Recreation Department took delivery on its of ni ice resurfacer in October. This machine will mount on the h-.a:c.k of th a department tractor and will be used for sha.;= io of outdoor skating and possibly some ice sealing. This smaller version of commonly known as "TMA", works on the same principals as oppc o an ice surfacing machine and should result in a higher level of qu;iity in smoothness of the skating surfaces. 20. The City also received grant agreements from the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources for the installation of a fishing pier on Fish Lake in the spring of 1989. 21. Volume I of the 1989 Activities Calendar went to the print room Wednesday, October 26, one week ahead of schedule. Distribution is looked for right after Thanksgiving. The Summer/Fall issue will be distributed in May. 22. Applications are being received for sliding hill and skating rink seasonal staff positions. It is hoped that a nucleus of ex, n winter recreation leaders will return. Interviews will take- ofao.e in mid-November. A revised format of training is planned. 23. The Eagan Hockey and Rosemount Area Hockey Associations have developed guidelines for youth sign ups - All Eagan 1st year players will skate with EHA. Second year Eagan players may skate with RAHA for one more year. The net result is: Outdoor practice ice time for FHA comes exclusively from Eagan Parks and Recreation. The team count is: 6 mites (may be 7), 6 mini mites, 4 squirt, 3 pee wee and 2 bantam for a total of 21 teams. In the past EHA skated .a ;,maximum of 1w team . It is yet to be determined as to how many Ens _ar, Youth a°°e : k a , , with RAHA. Staff will provide the Commission with a repento ing a meeting with Youth Hockey Association members. That meeting will occur in the next week or two. 24. Basketball team managers meetings will be held on Wednesday, ti`t"i_er 16. Gym space from School District 196 is at a level that (20') 3-Man teams and sixteen (16) 5-Man teams can be _cce:}ed. La! ye v,'s count was fifteen (15) 3-Man and sixteen (16) 5- 1 teaiai:s. 25. Organization for broomball teams will occur late,, in November. The Co- Rec League will be offered jointly with the City of Burnsville. 26. Seven Rosemount Area Athletic Association travel basketball coaches were NYSCA certified on October 15. A December clinic will be offered for the "in-house" basketball leagues. It is anticipated that this will be a joint EAA/RAAA clinic. 27. The Stagedoor Performers are set up at the Fire Administration Enilding for Halloween costume rental. Staff is hopeful that this will be a financially successful effort. 28. The Senior Citizens group has "resettled" into the Fir. . ~-ini' tv tion Building. Meetings were at alternate sites for the past scvef,a.i nm nths. The Pilot Knob Road construction is affecting attendance, to a d' It's time for a polka band to perform!! MEMO TO: ADVISORY PARKS RECREATION COMMISSION FRO : STEVE SULLIVAN, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT/PARKS PLANNER DATE: OCTOBER 11, 1988 RE: PILOT KNOB ROAD CONSTRUCTION This letter is in response to the Commission's inquiry regarding the status of Pilot Knob Road construction and Fish Lake. My inspection on October 7, found that the sideslope to the lake was graded and rip-rap was installed. No erosion is evident. Floating silt fence was installed across Fish Lakcc. Seeding of the sideslope is to be dormant planted in the late fall. SS/bls cc: Ken Vraa, Director of Parks & Recreation Inver October 18, 1988 Kenneth Vraa Eagan Parks & Rec. 3830 Pilot Knob Rd. Eagan, MN, 55122 Dear Mr. X aa: On behalf of the M.R.P.A. Board of Directors, it is my pleasure to inform you that your project has been recognized as a recipient of the 1988 M.R.P.A. Citation Award. We intend to recognize each of the Citation Award winners at the M.R.P.A. Fall conference, followed by a formal presentation to your governing body at a later date. I will contact you by phone to arrange a date with your respective governing body when the plaques arrive in early November. On behalf of the M.R.P.A. Board of Directors, I want to again, commend you for your outstanding project and I look forward to greeting you at the Fall Conference. Should you have any questions regarding the M.R.P.A. Award Program, please contact myself directly at 457-2111, ext. 280. Inecrely, Bruce K. Anderson, -_rectar Parks and Recreat-:;.;. BKA:nv CITY OF EAGAN SUBJECT: REZONING, PRELIMINARY PLAT, VARIANCE THOMAS SLATER ADDITION APPLIC : THOMAS SLATER LOCATION: 1/4 OF SECTION 31 EXISTING ZONING: AG (AGRICULTURAL) DATE OF PUBLIC HEARING: OCTOBER 25, 1988 DATE OF REPORT: OCTOBER 17, 1988 REPORTED BY: PLANNING & ENGINEERING DEPARTMENTS APPLICATION SUMMARY: Separate applications have been submitted requesting a Rezoning of 1.5 Ag (Agricultural) acres to an R-1 (Single Family) district consisting of two lots located north of Storland and Rusten Roads. This proposal is in conformance with the City's most recent Land Use Plan that designates this area D-1 Single Family (0-3 units/acre). EXISTING CONDITIONS/SITE PLAN.- Rusten Road will be extended to the north and since it will be 560' long, a Variance to the 500' maximum cul-de-sac length will be necessary. The street/cul-de-sac area was rough graded with a previous public improvement project. The lots are heavily wooded and fall towards a City storm pond. Custom home sites will allow for individual lot grading. There will be approximately 20' of vertical distance from a first floor house elevation and the pond. Lots 1 & 2 contain 24,700 square feet and 30,750 square feet, including the pond area. The net area is 15,100 square feet and 17,500 square feet with both being at least 100' wide at the setback line. GRADING/DRAINAGE/EROSION CONTROL: No site grading is proposed for lot development. The site is well drained and slopes towards the east/northeast to Pond AP-34. Pond AP-34 is a designated ponding area in the City of Eagan's Comprehensive Storm Sewer plan. Since no site grading is required for lot development, individual lot erosion and sediment control is recommended during the building phase and should include the following: 1. Silt fence to control sediment on each lot. 2. A gravel access pad to minimize tracking of mud onto paved streets. 3. Site restoration. UTILITIES: Sanitary sewer service and water main service of sufficient size, capacity and depth are readily available along the westerly side of the proposed development. Two sanitary sewer services have been provided to the property, but it appears that only one can be used because of the location. One additional 4" service would need to be installed for the proposed Lot 2. Although a 6" water main is readily available, no services were tapped from the existing water main at the time of the initial water main installation. The development will be responsible for providing a water main service to each proposed lot. Individual pressure reducing valves will be required. STREETS/ACCESS/CIRCULATION: No improved public street access exists to serve the proposed development. The development will be responsible for providing upgraded street access or the appropriate public improvement contract for the upgrade of Rustin Road must be approved by Council prior to final plat approval. EASEMENTS/RIGHTS-OF-WAY/PERMITS: The development will be responsible for providing the appropriate street right-of-way for the construction of Rustin Road. The development will be responsible for providing the appropriate ponding easement for Pond AP-34 as necessitated by storage volume requirements and high water elevations as outlined in the City of Eagan's Comprehensive Storm Sewer Plan. The development is responsible for obtaining all regulatory agency permits within the appropriate time frame as required by the affected agency. PUBLIC STREETS/UTILITY FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS: A search of City Special Assessment records show that the property has no pending assessments of record. CONDITIONS: THOMAS SLATER ADDITION 1. These standard conditions of plat approval as adopted by Council action on September 15, 1987 shall be complied with: Bl, B2, B3, B4, Cl, C2, C5, Dl, El, Fl, and Gl. 2. The development is responsible for providing the appropriate sanitary sewer and water service to each platted lot. STANDARD CONDITIONS OF PLAT APPROVAL A. Assessments 1. This development shall accept its additional assessment obligations as defined in the staff's report in accordance with the final plat dimensions and the rates in effect at the time of final plat approval. B. Easements and Rights-of-Way 1. This development shall dedicate 10' drainage and utility easements centered over all common lot lines and adjacent to private property or public right-of-way. 2. This development shall dedicate, provide, or financially guarantee its proportionate share of the acquisition costs of additional drainage, ponding, and utility easements as required by the alignment, depth, and storage capacity of all required public utilities and streets located beyond the boundaries of this plat or outside of dedicated public right-of-way as necessary to service this development. 3. This development shall dedicate all public right-of-way and temporary slope easements for ultimate development of adjacent roadways as required by the appropriate jurisdictional agency. 4. This development shall dedicate adequate drainage and ponding easements to incorporate the required high water elevation necessitated by City storm water storage volume requirements. C. Plans and Specifications 1. All public streets and utilities necessary to provide service to this development shall be designed by a registered professional engineer in accordance with City codes and engineering standards and policies, and approved by staff prior to final plat approval. 2. A detailed grading, drainage, erosion, and sediment control plan must be prepared in accordance with current City standards and approved by staff prior to final plat approval. 3. This development shall insure that all temporary dead end public streets shall have a cul-de-sac constructed in accordance with City engineering standards. 4. A detailed landscape plan shall be submitted on the proposed grading plan and approved by staff prior to the final plat approval. The financial guarantee shall be included in the Development Contract and not released until one year after the date of installation. STANDARD CONDITIONS OF PLAT APPROVAL PAGE TWO 5. All internal public and private streets shall be constructed within the required right-of-way in accordance with City design standards. D. Public Improvements 1. If any public improvements are to be installed under a City contract, the appropriate project must be approved by Council action prior to final plat approval. E. Permits 1. This development shall be responsible for the acquisition of all regulatory agency permits in the time frame required by the affected agency. F. Parks Dedication 1. This development shall fulfull its parks dedication requirements as recommended by the Advisory Parks and Recreation Commission and approved by Council action. G. Other 1. All standard platting and zoning conditions shall be adhered to unless specifically granted a variance by Council action. Advisory Planning Commission City Council Approved: Auqust 25, 1987 September 15, 1987 Revised: LTS#2 STANDARD O ~•.yp~ ~if1GF CAN 10 tom" _ x r f ~cj C F'71 '-l 7fON-if ii -,I F r^ f;a'aiY a L L-41 NOR 77 N ~s ' ~Jl l K ( tt I 11 D l~ ~ a ttl ~ 4 l 223 ~ PRELIMINARY PLAT.' THOMAS G. 52.33 ADD- Q to - a 09 c r. 0,19 ADD.14 Ns so •~p~,s 116 sS ro, a ? o m °J 69 m~i 2S R r ...A p 2 040-55 n' 13 0° ' e w AZ =269'1830 o -WEST 396' 4402 O T a .0 !2 ° 3 3 'A t. 11 ,3Pa 1 z 2/0 ° D 10 aQ a~ 5 030 - 55 O° m 60 1 ~ R.50 o a /'A ,(M1(f1 1 ( Q 74 TE ql 54 01 I/V/ 43A 2 _ _ ! ( S 89`'bS 2Tk 45213 p 4484 O°j R s )IS ORD nt 47 12 w 4r Df 49.251... n LL `3 tl&,80 ''a1 J 121 OS ~c ' 5, J „ ° 1 1 W m a °5 w 6 2 q scale: 1 inch c °N IQ a .SJ 14 0 o N 3 100 feet ,C3~`\ 35 m ,~A` i z 141.54 29,35 Z 1 151.06 Q ah O rf o ^6.44 tat ar 644° 2 125 z ~y 3, d 84A 37~3~1 ,Sa9 45.24 20 64 88 0-y w 436 ? M ~e Q 66].20 A2=8 9'05 95 191 4 589°05 271 286.06 0 a w 29 664.00 AZ269°0527 a of PROPOSED NAME: THOMAS G. SLATER ADDITION NOTES: Owner & Developer: Thomas G. Slater 1) Area is served by sanitary sewer and water 2200 James Court which is in place in the existing utility Eagan, MN 55122 easement.(See Eagan Record Plan No. 951) Tel: 890-0230 2) No site grading is necessary. Abbreviated Description: That part of the NE1 of SW# of Section 31, Township 27, Range 22 lying southerly of 3) 13 A possible house location, SLATERS ACRES and northerly of NORVIN OAKS. 4) Prepared 09-14-88 Gross Area 1.5 acres /D°18-88 Gross Area Water Area Net Area Delmar H:$Cgiwhnz. Scaled Lot Areas Lot 1 24,700 sq.ft 9,600 15,100 RLS 8625 Lot 2 30,750 sq.ft.13,300 17,500 Existing zoning Agriculture DELMAR H. SCHWANZ Proposed zoning R-1 Single family residential LA Dsunveronxmc. 14750 SOUTH ROBERT TRAIL ROSEMOUNT, MINNESOTA 55088 6121423-1789 M E M 0 R A N D U M TO: Tom Hedges Tom Colbert .'Ken Vraa FROM: Michael G. Dougherty DATE: October 31, 1988 RE: The Purchase of Property IUD Our File No.: 00E--05594 Over the last couple of weeks, I have been in almost daily contact with Monica Hardmann, the attorney for HUD in ,,-ashin'gt' u D.C. , regarding the possibility of the sale of the to of Eagan. My last call to Ms. Hardmann inquired would be willing to sell the land to Eagan if a_ e reached with First Bank St. Paul that would pro.,!,-' R ultimately unwind its previous deals with First B:,irk St. Paul. Basically, BUD fears that if it were placed in a position whereby it sought a return of all the monies it had paid to the First Bank St. Paul, HUD would need to be able to transfer all the property back to First Bank St. Paul. Obviously, a sale of the property in the interim would not allow HUD to pursue this r medy. My suggestion to Ms. Hardmann that I would a~::t<~:~opt to negotiate with First Bank St. Paul t achieve an agreem(( t whereby First Bank St. Paul would acknowledge and consent to the sale of the property from HUD to Eagan. In the event that HUD is awarded the right to unwind the deal, that in exchange for all the monies paid by HUD to First Bank St. Paul, First Bank St. Paul would receive the proceeds of the sale from HUD to the City of Eagan. On ".ursday, October 27, Ms. Hardmann contacted me indicating that ' five had approved the sale of the property subject to reaching t. -greement with First Bank St. Paul. This morning I spoke with Kevin Ellis, who represents First Bank St. Paul, and outlined the proposal to him. Kevin indicated that he would be meeting on November 2 with the loan officers of First Bank St. Paul as well as officials of HUD in Minnesota. He would bring to their attention the potential sale and agreement b& een the parties for their reaction. Kevin asked what property wa: t C_~. rested in purchasing and what the proposed purch 'im my only reference was the original proposal f defined the 65 acres west of Lexington Ave-i at a purcha- pr.ce of $14,200.00. 1 further indicated to him, that there may be some interest by the City in obtaining both the triang_ ircel off of Diffley as well as the Wilderness Run parcel. After ' giving an opportunity to discuss First Bank's reaction with Keiin Ellis on Wednesday morning, I'll sit down and work out the particulars of the purchase agreement with you. Hopefully, there will be some light at the end of the tunnel on this issue so that on Wednesday or Thursday, w, can at least tentatively have the perimeters of an agx ,orked out with and First Bank St. Paul. If you have any q ons on this matte!, please do not hesitate to be in contact with MGD/dj k