11/03/1988 - Advisory Parks & Recreation Commission
MEMORANDUM
TO: ADVISORY PARKS RECREATION COMMISSION
FROM.- KEN V A , DIRECTOR OF PARKS RECR ;1T
DATE: NOVEMBER 1, 1988
RE: THURSDAY, NOV. 3, 1988 ADVISORY COMMISSION MEETING
The regular Commission meeting is scheduled for November 3rd, at 7:00 P in
the Council Chambers. This month's agenda is relatively short. They o
development proposals and only one item under the consent a-e__ a . The are
however, five items under "old business", the first of which is the Rahn/Cliff
Plaza and Pond AP 44. Steve Sullivan has provided you with a separate
memorandum on this particular item.
The second item is review and recommendation of the 1989 Parks Dedication
Policy. Again, a separate memorandum has been prepared in attempts to answer
some of the concerns the Commission raised at the las- r Ling regarding the
legality of adding additional dollars to the parks dedic tion contribution as
part of a separate trust fund.
The third item concerns snowmobiles and the position of the Commission
concerning their usage within the community. Dorothy Peterson and Mel Bailey
took primary responsibility for drafting the packet item, which was requested
at the last meeting.
John VonDeLinde will present a verbal update on the water quality prti~-r~<snr ~~r~d
provide the Commission members with a handout. The sub-comn;itteee of the
Advisory Commission will be meeting earlier in the evening for a presentation
by the consultants on this report.
Item five under "old business" was requested at the last Commission meeting.
Staff will provide a verbal update on the Unisys trail and the history of the
location of that trail. Staff was seeking a meeting date with the Commission
and the residents of that area to discuss the trail and its proposed location
from Pilot Knob Park to Quarry Park through Unisys property.
There is only one item under "New Business" which is Well Site Park and the
hockey rink removal. A staff memorandum has been prepared regarding this
particular item.
Under "parks development" we have provided you with a proposed parks project
priority for 1989. This memorandum should speak for itself, but staff would
like to caution Commission members that this priority list is always subject
to change given the constantly changing and dynamic work environment we find
ourselves in. Steve Sullivan will also provide the Commission with a parks
project status report.
COMMUNITY CENTER
The Commission should plan to spend sufficient time to review the concept
plans for the proposed community center. Staff believes these plans will
present a very realistic schematic with minor changes that i"`t -fell
reflect the ultimate design for the facility. ~e n1 red rd5Lh
the City Council at a special' zg on the 27th, c
Committee later that evening. The Reaction CorNmi tti, plans
very well and were very positive with their remarks concerning design.
OTHER BUSINESS AND REPORTS
There are several items under "Other Business and Reports" which staff would
like to call your attention to. Mel Bailey has provided you with a park
representative meeting update; also provided is the departmental haopenirds
for your review.
Finally, staff is pleased to say that the Department of Parks & Recreation's
"Passport to Good Health, an Adventure In Walking", was awarded the Citation
Award by the Minnesota Recreation and Park Association for Creative
Programming Efforts. This is the second time the department has received a
special citation award in the two years that they have been offered.
As always, please contact the office if you are unable to attend the Advisory
Commission meeting.
One additional note, staff will not be available on Wednesday and Thursday due
to attendance at the Minnesota Recreation and Park Association Conference
being held in Bloomington.
Respectfully submitted,
Ken Vraa
Director of Parks and Recreation
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AGENDA
ADVISORY PARKS AND RECREATION CO 10O
EAGAN, MINNESOTA
Thursday, November 3, 1988
7:00 P.M.
Eagan Municipal Center
A. Call to Order and Pledge of Allegiance
B. Approval of Agenda
C. Approval of Minutes of Regular Meeting of October 6, 1988
D. Consent Agenda
(1) Slater Addition
E. Development Proposals
F. Old Business
(1) Rahn Cliff Plaza - Pond AP 44/Kettle Park
(2) Review and Recommendation - 1989 Parks Dedication
(3) Snowmobile Position - 1988-89 Season
(4) Water Quality - Update
(5) Unisys Trail Meeting
G. New Business
(1) Well Site Park - Hockey Rink Removal
H. Parks Development
(1) 1989 Park Development Priorities
(2) Status Report - Parks Projects
1. Community Center
(1) Update/Review of Concept Plans
J. Other Business and Reports
(1) N.U.D. Property - Status Report
(2) Willmus Park Dedication Status
(3) Park Neighborhood Section 24
(4) Park Representative Meeting Update
(5) Facilities Committee Update
(6) Department Happenings
(7) MRPA Citation Award
K. Adjournment
Sub,iect to approval
MINUTES OF A REGULAR MEETTNkG
THE ADVISORY PARKS AND RECREATION C HSION
EAGAN, MINNESOTA
OCTOBER 6, 1988
A regular meeting of the Advisory Parks and Recreation Commission -Js
called to order at 7:45 P.M. on Thursday, October 6, 1988 with the i-ollo~v n,,
Commission Members present: Dick Carroll, Wayne men, Georg i a Ted
Billy, Sandy Masin, Michele Swanson and Bob Porter. Staff L inclu
Landscape Architect/Parks Planner Steve Sullivan; Parks Superin iden., ,o=
VonDeLinde; Recreation Supervisor, Dorothy Peterson; Parks Secretary, Cherryl
Mesko; Parks Intern, Mel Bailey; and Recreation Intern, Beth Mundy. Director
of Parks and Recreation, Ken Vraa was not present.
AGENDA
George Kubik moved, Bob Porter seconded with all m vof ?favor
to accept the agenda as presented.
MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 1, 1988 MEETING
With the change of "Purple Strife" to "Purple Loosestrife", Sandy Masin
moved, George Kubik seconded with all members voting in favor of accepting the
minutes as amended.
EAA/RAAA FACILITIES USE REPORT
Recreation Supervisor Dorothy Peterson: updated the Commission on the
ongoing negotiations by EAA, RAAA, District 196 Community Services, and the
City of Eagan to facilitate the space needs and the growth of the associations
to meet the athletic needs of youth in the City of Eagan. Some of the issues
that have been discussed include the growth of the various associations and
how space will be used by these groups, the marketing of similar pror ii
the schools by different associations and field allocations to meet 11 the
needs. Both associations feel that by using shared flyers, merging! none of
their existing programs, working cooperatively in creating new programs,
allowing people to sign up with either association but have the programs
dovetail will offer much more flexibility for both the users and the
facilitators of these programs.
Dorothy indicated that under the guidance of the Parks and Recreation
Department these meetings will continue on a monthly basis to keep the
associations on track. The next step is to encourage them to look t"_~:~erd n the
future, long term, in determining the best way of allocating field u;;e, I
Community Services has become very active in their participation and continnen
to be supportive in providing services to the associations. It was noted thet
Mend-Eagan Athletic Association opted not to participate in the meeting
feeling that their needs were being met within the 197 school district.
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Dick Carroll thanked Dorothy for coordinating the effort in getting this
issue on track noting that it looks like there is some very good cooperation
occurring to resolve these: issues.
;_LE POSITION - 1988-89 SEASON
Dorothy Peterson reminded the Commission that in December, 1987,
Commission recommended to the Council that the Highline corridor
discontinued as a snowmobile trail. The Council took action on this issue in
January, 1988 making this policy effective. The police department is
questioning the snowmobiling issue for the 1988-89 season.
Wayne Sames asked if the police are cone - r `ecause of prch1 ~ci,,n,s thn.t
occurred last year or are looking for a rei nfc. ,_;t of the policy. ok
Carroll noted that snowmobiles can now proceed on city streets at a opecU of
10 MPH on their way to a residence or on their way to or from a county park
where snowmobiling is permitted. Sandy Masin indicated the difficulty in
enforcing the 10 MPH speed limit by the police because it is very hard for
them to follow an offender once they take off cross-country. The park rangers
have been able to monitor this activity to some degree but it seers ,ent
that many violations occur during the winter season. JoAnne Alt -t
allowing use of snowmobiles unless it is on private rroporty sine
and park property continue to get much of the snowmobile traffic ev_ i th,
they are not allowed on any city park property.
After much discussion, George Kubik moved to have staff research the
restriction of snowmobiling to private property within city property with due
consideration of County, State and Federal governing bodies. Bob Porter
seconded the motion with all members voting in favor.
LAKE CLASSIFICATION
Parks Superintendent VonDeLinde brought the Commission up to date +
progress of the classification process being conducted on all the water bod'-;
within the city of Eagan. Information has been gathered on the water bodies
from Met Council, PCA and by water samples. The exhausting inventory was
completed in 1987 with the standards established as 1) Direct contact
(swimming); 2) Indirect contact (canoeing); 3) Wildlife; 4) Storm water
management (nutrient trap); 5) Sediment basin; 6) Storm water retention (no
quality water standards). With the preliminary classifications made, public
hearings will be conducted soon for input regarding the classifications to
date.
A draft report has been completed which takes all information done to
date and sets a model of water quality for the tested water bodies based on
the impact surrounding residential, commercial development will have on them.
The management plan would then have a predetermined water qu.-ity
determination so that the quality of run-off into th. ponding areas _ ka
the responsibility of the developers. This arrii. would be mad eio~e
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the parcel was completely developed and become a part oP the di--~v "-pal it
agreement. Mr. VonDeLinde expressed concern with the r ;]tr. oh
report feeling that it was rather sketchy and that the results of the i H irej
did not show an accurate reading.
Wayne Sames stated that a representative from the Pollution Control
Agency and the Soil and Water Conservation Department had pi°oblems with the
models. The PCA cautioned the results because the sampling 14r1.3 don", dluvinrl an
extreme drought condition showing much higher phosphorous iovols than w(-J!,(! he
the case under normal conditions. The nutrient level ~f~:oo ~ ~-ler
than it normally should. John VonDeLinde also noted that the r< r° is
addressing only 12 out of over 300 water bodies in the city whi i also
obscures the results somewhat.
Sandy Masin asked if the model could be changed. John VonDeLinde
responded that they should go back in 1989 and redo the samplings to see if
that would be a more accurate reflection of the water quality. V.-o' -,ked the
purpose of the models Mr. VonDeLinde responded it was to he-In 'r E4'-t , od use
in surrounding areas,and determine the impact of deve" ~
Once the standards are set the City could make sure .,le ovt l l iv ie, ~i n
those guidelines and implement policies that are established to aintzn t r
quality.
Another concern Mr. VonDeLinde expressed was regarding classification.
Bur Oaks, for example is designated as direct contact. The report notes that
for a cost of $38,000 a chemical injection system could be implemented I-n
reduce phosphorous on a long term basis, however, the results wog.;+<d rod I 'c
known for a period of 2 years. He feels this just is not co n pr e,1 I
enough to substantiate an expenditure of this kind for one water
George Kubik noted from his experience that models don't predict, they
seldom offer options and one must be very careful with communication on these
issues.
In summary, Mr. VonDeLinde noted that a subcommittr o n - I- to ----t to
cover some of these issues, suggesting a date of 10/?4,-8, t h
Quality Citizen's Committee is convened on November. 3, 1 3 o pond to It
report results to date. After the November ,Meeting a final draft will 'e
prepared, go to the Council, followed by public hearings regarding the
classification of water bodies in Eagan. Wayne Sames noted that this is the
first time an effort of this type has been attempted in the metro area.
After further discussion, Wayne Sames, JoAnne Alt, Dick Carroll and John
VonDeLinde agreed to serve on the subcommittee to review the report to date
and make recommendations for the final report. The date was set or to, 1-ek
of October 17, 1988 with a subsequent meeting with the n e:r Quality ;i -'s
Committee on November 3, 1988, 4:30 P.M.
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WADING POOLS
Park Intern, Mel Bailey provided the Commission with an in-depth stsdy
of wading pools which encompassed researching several metro communities tFjt.
currently use or have used wading pools as part of the park system. ;r.
Bailey stated that the liability issue continues to be one of the grey%o:1t
concerns to date. In St. Paul, for example, their pools are stalled hereas
Minneapolis has no staff supervision at their pools; they do requiir
to accompany the child, however. The cost for staffing the pool is
approximately $5,400 per year and the actual construction of Minneapolis' last
pool was $102,000 which did not include the cost for showers, changing areas
or any other peripheral requirements mandated by state code regarding pool
usage.
Dick Carroll thanked Mel Bailey for the extensive :nd well written
report on wading pools. JoAnne Alt expressed her rat >1-"-LL in ost
for constructing such a pool, hoping that it would have hoer, more economically
feasible. Dick Carroll noted that another large co4-t factor after
construction would be the on-going maintenance which is reported to take 2
hours each day. Sandy Masin asked that a copy of this report be provided to
the Bridle Ridge park representative since they had first approached the
Commission for a pool of this type.
DEPARTMENT HAPPENINGS
JoAnne Alt questioned why there was a large pool of water at the bottom
of the slide in Carnelian Park. John VonDeLinde stated that the spiral slide
was installed at a slightly lower elevation than was anticipated creating the
ponding at the bottom of the spiral slide. The situation is being taken care
of to eliminate the ponding in this location.
George Kubik questioned Item #5 regarding Goat Hill Park. Dor~tf v
Peterson responded that the meeting was held to insure better
next year when the various clubs and organizations are wanting to use G
Hill facilities.
The Commission was reminded that the annual Spook Trail was being held
on Monday, October 31st from 6-8 P.M. and volunteers are needed!
CONSENT AGENDA
The following consent agenda items were presented for On a
motion by George Kubik, seconded by JoAnne Alt with all tf~~~bcr voting in
favor, the Commission approved recommendation to the City Council of the
following items:
1. Kraft, Inc. - That this waiver of plat be subject to a cash
parkland dedication.
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2. Roseagan Addition That this proposal be subject to a cash
parkland dedication and that an 8 foot bituminous trail be placed
along the east side of Dodd Road.
PARK DEDICATION
Steve Sullivan recapped the memo prepared by Director Vraa regarding
proposed park dedication fees for 1989. As the growth of single family homes
continues to accelerate, an adjustment in this area is suggested from
.0046/sq. ft. to .0048/sq. foot. The anticipated growth is expected to be
between 750 and 1000 units per year based on estimates by the Planning
Department. John VonDeLinde noted that the Commission nr v want to cOf ~-f,~
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the implementation of the Natural Resource Trust Fund at
of generating revenues for the fund's designated uses. He elsc
the Commission should be very careful to clearly define the intenti the
Trust Fund.
Member Kubik questioned where the $5-10 range came from in setting a fee
for the Trust Fund and it was noted that this was simply a starting point., a
suggestion for the Commission to consider. After Mr. Kubik stated h=eau
this amount was too low, Member Porter suggested the Commission consider fe=e
closer to $25 per dwelling unit which would generate beyc )
$25,000. Further discussion by Commission members suggested reran iro,din up
to $50 per dwelling unit depending upon what legal ramifications, if -n:r°, need
to be considered. Another suggestion was to place a large amount of the money
in trust as it is collected and allocate the balance for the various programs
as they will be defined initially. Sandy Masin indicated that she was a
little uncomfortable with the $50/living unit amount proposed for the Trust
Fund. She had no problem with the $25 amount, however, felt that $50 was
excessive.
After further discussion regarding c.r.:.: oial/industrial LL2ntial
dedication fees, George Kubik suggested the Commission re--. z,' increasing
commercial/residential to .05/sq.ft., accept the single family, duplex,
townhouse/quads and apartment recommendation as presented and recommend a $50
per living unit fee for the Trust Fund. Steve Sullivan noted that this issue
was presented for Commission review and that the November meeting would be a
more appropriate time to make final recommendations to the Council. George
Kubik then moved, Bob Porter seconded with all members voting in favor to
table the discussion and recommendation of park d0,4c-a.tivn fees for 1989 until
the November 3, 1988 Advisory Parks and Recreation, Cauiueission meeting.
TOWN HALL
Steve Sullivan explained that the relocation of the historic Town Hall
was an issue that was being presented to the City Council this evening. The
Commission had recommended that the relocation and preservation of the Town
Hall be addressed and Steve presented two concept plans that would be
presented to the City Council also for their recc<<nnndation.
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In looking at the relocation of the Tc n Hall t e 0i i0 o of
the Fire Administration Building with th ting pc-0 r_.; facilities wan
taken into consideration. Currently the p 'king lot h 38 parking sta;It
which becomes inadequate when there is a large event such as the Seniors
meetings. Concept "A" as presented by Mr. Sullivan shows the expansion of the
parking lot to 50 spaces that can accommodate both Seniors and fire department
meetings. This plan shows a circular courtyard with the Town Hall moved to
face the parking lot. Concept "B" shows the Town Hall oriented toward Pilot
Knob Road leaving the parking lot at the present 38 parking stalls.
Wayne Sames indicated that he appreciated the Co,-cfl'n t ore
Committee's request to have the Town Hall oriented toward Pi leL Knob but in
doing so it looses the symmetrical effect with the courtyard as presented in
Concept "A". Sandy Masin suggested nestling the Town Hall more toward the
wooded area west of Pilot Knob and still incorporate the courtyard effect that
was shown.
After further discussion, George Kubik moved, Sandy Masi! se Urded with
vd n n
al l members voting i n favor to recommend the placement of the To n I1- 1
of Pilot Knob Road, oriented perpendicular to Pilot Knob bond with the
expansion of the parking lot to 50 parking spaces. The second option would be
to place the Town Hall parallel to Pilot Knob Road with the parking lot
expansion.
PARKS PROJECTS
Parks Planner Steve Sullivan updated the Commission on the various
projects that are underway to date. The Pilot Knob hockey rink light c_mtra T
has been let with scheduled completion expected by Christmas vacation. The
rough grading is completed at Bur Oaks and the fine grading will be done in
the spring. The rough grading is underway at Heine Lake and the sun shelter
can be installed next spring if the Commission recommends its completion. The
curb is in at Carnelian Park and Mooney Lake continues to be worked on. The
parks trail is being installed at Slater Acres Park with landscaping to be
done this fall. Trails staked this fall include Wilderness Run Road from
Trapp Farm Park to Dodd, within Trapp Farm Park to Wilderness Run Road and
Rahn Road from Diffley to the Highline Trail.
Steve Sullivan then reviewed the Parks Development Status matrix show'Ing
an update of all the parks development to date. The Commission thanked Steve
for the excellent job in updating them on all this information noting is helps
them see at a glance how development is proceeding.
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GOALS AND OBJECTIVES
Steve Sullivan reviewed the list of items Staff had compiled denoting
park improvements that can be looked at and prioritized for the 1989 season.
Noting that this was a very big list, Steve asked that the Commission give
direction as to the highest priority items they felt should be completed.
George Kubik asked that Staff provide the Commission ten th the dollar amo%"t
and time left to complete the Park Bond Fund i1 „ li i J that these
should be the highest priority. Bob Porter reco d that Mooney La:e sue
the highest landscaping priority item. George Kubik asked that Staff revic~,w
the list of possible park development items and 1.) determine the dollars
remaining in the Bond Fund; 2.) make recommendations on what can
realistically be accomplished based on the number of people hours required.
The item was then tabled until the November 3, 1988 Commission meeting.
COMMUNITY CENTER
Steve Sullivan reviewed the results of the second Design Charette with
Hastings and Chivetta regarding the site and preliminary concept plan of the
interior of the building.
The site plan shows the police access restricting public access, the
building has shifted to provide for green space to the east of the building
and the building shows the potential of possible expansion of a scnd
sheet. The upper floorplan had all of the programming facilit' s that
been requested by the various focus groups. The ice arena i! + -d on e
upper level through the air lock coming into the central gall, area wit. h
seating down to the arena allowing for a controlled access. The meeting -1,;:-ms
were not located where they had originally been requested, however, this is an
issue that is being discussed with the architects. The lower level provides
access again to a control area to get to the gymnasium and natatorium with
glassed walls/windows to the south.
Some of the changes that have been suggest l a~:,r the prelimin.ii
review have been to move the recreation, meeting rot d the front i'`
building, have the arena office overlooking the ice a ,rol and mok
zamboni room to the south side of the building. Consid.:r-tion is also beiri;j
given to providing a service road entrance off Rocky Lane to the south side of
the building.
At this point in time the architects have been given some of the
requests for changes and are working on the suggestions that have b,n
provided. Steve Sullivan reviewed the time line fur the Community Cenjl),,
stating that the most critical meeting would be Nun n)'-,~-T 29, 19E" ( Lie
Council and Commission to review the architectural 'design, cost u, _ion
Committee's comments and then to provide direction to the architect-.
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Dick Carroll stated that Ken Vraa had met with the library people U d
they have been very positive about the proposed site change. They are very
supportive and want to help make this a successful project. Mr. Carrot so
indicated that the Commission needed representatives to serve on th^ Lio?)
Committee for the Community Center. Michele SwIm nn and Di c', i of l
volunteered to serve in this capacity. The first ins, ~x i l l be T' -sday,
October 13, 1988 at 7:00 P.M.
PARK REPRESENTATIVE MEETING
Dick Carroll noted for the record that the second hark i epr e sent i v1<e
meeting would be held on Thursday, October 20, 1988, 7:00 P.M. at tin Eagan
Municipal Center.
MAINTENANCE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM
Parks Superintendent VonDeLinde reminded the Commission that the first
review of a maintenance management program occurred last fall. The
classification of programming maintenance for facilities and the application
of these programs has been done on a site by site and facility by facility
basis. In establishing these programs, along with the turf manacemrmt
programs, a resource manual has been compiled to help facilitate all of these
needs. The goal for establishing these manuals and programs is to come back
to the Commission so that policies can be set relative to on-going maintenance
for both facilities and sites. Data sheets will also be completed to provide
on-going maintenance at each facility to establish consistent
maintenance/replacement guidelines on a long term basis. Member Carroll noted
that once this program is complete and approved it will serve as an excellent
basis for budgeting and maintenance purposes.
WARMING HOUSE
John VonDeLinde recapped the intention of purchasing the mobile warming
house that the Commission visited before the meeting. George Kubik felt this
was an excellent idea and felt the installation of a mobile facility would
save money in the long term enabling it's use at a different location if the
need was there. He suggested a review after the winter season use, possibly
in March or April to see how effective this type of building etas. Wayne Sanws
questioned the cost of renting a mobile unit as -r' hrrn done sn ti,_. pa t T
was noted that the rental was $800 -1,000 plL_ lag wit t °v. =a Lhat
occurs. By purchasing the trailer outright the debt cin he rehired ki years
and the trailer would still be usable by the department. After further
discussion, the consensus from the Commission members was that this was an
excellent investment and should be open to consideration at a later date as
well.
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LILLIAN MCCARTHY PROPERTY
Dick Carroll clarified for the C( ss i o tha
question is located directly adjacent to the e: sting Patrick =ag:1 Park.
Steve Sullivan explained that the Commission's ir;cention has been to try to
acquire this parcel of property from Mrs. McCarthy as part of Patrick Eagan
Park. Negotiations have been underway with Mrs. McCarthy but the last
conversation between Ken Vraa and Mrs. McCarthy indicated that Mrs. McCarthy
was not interested in selling at this time. Some of the options the
Commission needs to consider are 1) not to pursue the cquisition of this
property, 2) begin condemnation proceedings while continr.fHt<< negotiations with
Mrs. McCarthy hoping for an equitable resolution for all parties. Steve
Sullivan noted that Mr. Vraa's recommendation at this point would be optioc: 2
but because of the concern for Mrs. McCarthy the negotiations should include
the understanding that she is to be allowed to stay on her property, in her
home for as long as she would like.
Member Masin wondered where the $48,000 amount came from and it wes
noted that this was a dollar amount requested by Mrs. McCarthy for te~r~;;e° .rv
and permanent easements. Sandy Masin further qu -tioned the etti:,t
process noting that once it started, it could no:, stopped. It i roc'ci
that it could be terminated once an agreement is nE jot i ated . Member Car roll
expressed his preference in condemnation only if a life estate was part of the
understanding from the beginning.
After further discussion, George Kubik moved to recommend to the Council
that condemnation proceedings begin concurrent with continuing negotiations
with Mrs. McCarthy with the understanding that a life estate for Mrs. McCarthy
be made a part of the condemnation proceedings. As a note of explanation to
the record, this action is taken due to the inability to neco -late the
purchase of this property to date and that it has always been the intention of
the Council and Commission to purchase this property. The motion aas seconded
by Bob Porter with all members voting in favor.
RAHN ROAD TRAIL
Steve Sullivan explained that the installation of a trail alon Rosa
Road from Diffley to the Highline Trail had been approved by the City Cc=rncil
earlier this evening. There were residents present who sua ested that tie
trail would not be safe and that it would devalue their property, however tr=y
Council remained firm in their support of the total trail system.
UNISYS TRAIL
Steve Sullivan brought the issue of a trail between Quarry and Pilot
Knob Parks back to the Commission based on a recent meeting with tris~:
regarding their understanding of the location of the trail. The ree;li t
with Unisys places the trail directly behind the residents' homes to the w 't
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and southwest of Pilot Knob Park near the north/northwest corner of ,l:sys
property. A list has been compiled of the neighboring residents and a .:2eting
should be scheduled to make them aware of the trail plan. Staff is looking
for direction from the Commission on how this should be handled.
George Kubik noted for the record that this is an issue that has been
brought to the Commission on several different occasions, that Unisys has
been a very difficult neighbor to deal with and it is not appreciated.
Member Masin asked if there was a round about way to connect these two
parks without having to go through these neighbors back yards. Steve Sullivan
responded that it was possible but the trail would be 8 times the distance as
crossing in this location. George Kubik again expressed his frustration in
the fact that there have been 3 verbal agreements in the past with Unisys to
do this trail and the actual alignment always seems to change when it get: to
the point near construction. It was also noted that this agre-nent was of
the tax increment funding that was provided by t- City. r. 'uhksL ~e
that the first agreement for a trail was a di--,( -1 line i t i 1 o t. K,1,11-lb L
Quarry over the gas line, the second was on thr rod side o v ,e brew around
the Unisys property and now the third shows it going through the back yard of
residents adjacent to the Unisys property.
After futher discussion, Dick Carroll asked that this item be tabled
until the November 3, 1988 meeting. In the meantime, Staff is directed to
research the agreement with Unisys to determine exactly what the City has
agreed to rather than accept the interpretation of the agrnoient as well as
determining the timing of the agreement.
Dick Carroll moved, George Kubik seconded with all members voting in
favor to table this issue until November 3, 1988.
SITKO CLOSING INTERVIEW
Dorothy Peterson and John VonDeLinde conducted an exit irate: F=aith
v ndirg
Mr. Sitko recapping his first year's experience vi,'b oortable
business. Mr. Sitko indicated that he recovered 10, o, h ;e costs but , t he
met some neat people during the experience. He is forward to starting
on the first day of the softball season next year. Dorothy indicated that the
comments from park users were very favorable and that Mr. Sitko did an
excellent job in cleaning up after each use.
EVERGREEN PARK
John VonDeLinde explained that this item was it o' i ic,znal fm-
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Commission. Thomas Lake Park and Evergreen Park have bees: i~ t d as
sites for some time. The plans are to drill one of the ,veils I n EVergr
Park this winter on the south side of the pleasure rink. This will b+ a
permanent structure incorporating the shelter designs that have been used in
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existing shelter buildings. John also noted that there are 7 wells that will
go into this well field. George Kubik asked if mitigation would be considered
for the disruption to the park area.
ROUNDTABLE
Chairman Carroll asked if there were any comments on t`- letters
had been attached to the packet. Sandy Masin asked why the toi home owners
Woodgate were the only people being assessed for trail extension along Johnny
Cake Ridge Road. Steve Sullivan responded that R-1 owners cannot be assessed
for trails, thus the multiple zoning and commercial/industrial zoning owners
are responsible for this expense.
Dick Carroll asked the Commission ennbers to take note o, the letter
regarding the skateboarding liability issuu.
George Kubik asked if there has been proper safeguarding along Fisi-, I.
on Pilot Knob for erosion control. Steve Sullivan indicated that they
done a good job to date but would physically inspect and report back to
Commission his findings.
George Kubik asked who had agreed to the chain link fence alor *w, a{,.
side of Pilot Knob near LeMay Lake. Steve Sullivan explained that t.y
he had drawn a fence design using tubular fence as an e 1pie, de L the
color and design however the design was never put into the d,.?lopment
agreement.
Member Kubik asked how the parks are recovering from the drought. Mr.
VonDeLinde responded that everything is going very well at this tine The
reseeding is done but the status of the trees will not be fully kn _ Iti 1
next spring.
With no further business to conduct, George Kubik moved, Dick Carroll
seconded with all members voting in favor to adjourn. The meeting was
adjourned at 11:00 P.M.
DATE SECRETARY
MEMORANDUM
TO: ADVISORY PARKS A MD REC FATIO COMMISSION
O : STEVE S LLIV , LA DSG- ARCHITECT/PARKS PLA '
DATE- OCTOBER 27, 1988
RE: NOVEMBER 3, 1988 CONSENT AGENDA
BACKGROUND
THOMAS G. SLATER ADDITION - THOMAS G. SLATER
A Rezoning of 1.5 AG (Agricultural) acres to an R-1 (Single Family) district
and a Preliminary Plat consisting of two lots located north of Rusten Road and
Storland Road in the SW 1/4 of Section 31.
Recommendation:
The proposal be subject to a cash parkland dedication.
15.
MEMORANDUM
TO: ADVISORY PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION
FRO : STEVE SULLIVAN, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT/PARKS PLANNER
DATE: OCTOBER 31, 1988
RE: RAHN/CLIFF - 2ND ADDITION
POND AP-44
PROPOSAL
The proposal is for a Comprehensive Guide Plan Amendment, and rezoninczr~~!
Limited Business/Roadside Business to Commercial Planned Development. This
proposal also includes the plat of six (6) lots and three (3) outlots on 16.8
acres. The proposed land uses are for a bank, resturant, fast food, office
and retail. The proposal is currently scheduled to go before the City Council
for final plat review.
BACKGROUND
The site's southern property line is directly adjacent to the northerly
unimproved section of Kettle Park. This area was left undisturbed with the
development of the park. It's primary use is for storm water retention as
identified by the Comprehensive Storm Sewer Plan. This ponding area is
referenced as AP-44.
The Commission has previously reviewed the proposal at the July 7, 1988
Advisory Parks & Recreation Commission meeting. The Commission motion was as
follows
George Kubik moved to direct Staff to provide a draft policy regarding
runoff into parkland for all classes of developers, which is to be
reviewed by the Commission at the August meeting. Sandy Masin seconded
the motion with all members voting in favor.
Dick Carroll moved, George Kubik seconded, with all members ,,o iiny in
favor to insist on filtration prior to water run-off coming into park
property. The developer to do grading and stockpile along the right-of-
way of 35E and the normal cash parkland dedication would be required for
Rahn/Cliff 2nd Addition.
ANALYSIS
In response to Commission member Kubik's motion, staff is currently
participating as a member of the Comprehensive Water Quality Plan Committee.
This committee is establishing classifications which would set water quality
standards for every pond in Eagan. The unimproved pond has a preliminary
classification as a nutrient trap. The pond within the improved Kettle Park
has a preliminary classification for storm water holding, although staff
suggests reclassification to a wildlife/scenic designaticr.
Staff has reviewed Commission member Caroll's ties with the
Department. They contend that Pond AP-44 is intended fm~ water sGors,
sediment removal and phosphorous reduction. Therefore, a 7-8' deep pond
allowing 4.7 acre foot storage is necessary. A sump manhole prior to outflow
would reduce sedimentation into the pond. Engineering Department would not
object to a sump manhole, although no maintenance operation and policy
currently exists.
The last item for discussion is the configuration of~ prc,a. ThU ..F,;has submitted grading plans which depict ;he pond 1 t ' e a
presentation regarding the pond configuration.
FOR COMMISSION APPROVAL
The Commission may consider the following recommendations:
1. To have an environmental manhole installed within the Rabe;/Cliff
2nd Addition.
2. To approve/disapprove the pond configuration.
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MEMORANDUM
TO: PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION
-ROM: KEN VRAA, DIRECTOR OF PARKS & RECREATION
DATE: OCTOBER 25, 1988
SUBJECT: PARKS DEDICATION
BACKGROUND
At the October Commission meeting there was discussion regarding the add .ioni
of as much as fifty dollars ($50.00) to the parks dedication contribution, for
a separate trust fund account to be used primarily for forestation. There was
some question by the Commission as to the legality of doing so.
DISCUSSION
The State Law which provides for a parks dedication, as well as judicial 1
is based on the concept of "reasonablenes This must be supporte
documentation of needs created by new development. Eagan has done just _ ~t
with its Parks Systems Plan and the standards created within it. TE e
standards relate to, and are consistent with the City's parkland dedication
policies and resultant cash dedications, in lieu of land.
Lakeville is charging One-hundred thirty-five dollars ($135) per unit for a
trails construction fund. Whether this is legal or not under the State
Statues is yet to be determined. As developers are often in a rush to
complete their projects, there may be less resistance and more of a
willingness to simply "pay the fee" rather than to challenge the dedication
policy if they feel a challenge might result in slowing down their project.
At the same time, Lakeville has done an extensive Master Trails Plan, and
because they are at the entry 1 evel for that Trails Systems Plan, they Tay
have a very justifiable case for including trails as part of their parks
dedication formula. Again, the question will come down to reasonableness if
and when that fee is challenged. If they have been reasonable, it teY have
been consistent, if they can prove a relationship bcttwe,en Impact's
residential development and the need for the system - they may very well be on
safe ground.
There are two principles within the Lakeville example that we need to look at
then. (1) Is it fair, reasonable and is there a relationship between
demand/impact of development on the park system, and (2) Is payment of the
fee easier for the developer than challenging it?
TRUST FUND
The concept of a Trust Fund has been discussed for several months now. Staff
had hoped to have most if not all the issues involved worked out with a
structure for the fund. However, the volume of required work for this, and
several other projects, in spite of the significance that we, as the
Commission and staff, have placed on it - simply have not been able to find
sufficiently large blocks of time to work on this project to bring it to
completion. While the eagerness to put this fund into act - n is mf, en , it
may place the City in an awkward position by requiring a -natnibu.tio=n; bc`"h- e
there is an adopted policy for such a trust fund. Although, it is aw ar ,
and it may be doing last things first - it is staff's inclination not to
forego the opportunity to obtain at least some funding by implementation of an
additional cash dedication for each living unit.
It is staff's opinion that an additional ten dollars ($10.00) per living unit
could be collected as part of the park cash dedication >srith those fund,
marked for a future trust fund, within the existing acqul:itinrn
development fund. Although this is a smaller amount Lt n by the
Commission, a larger amount may not be defensible until addite=al raced.
been determined.
PARK DEDICATION POLICY RECOMMENDATION
At the October Commission meeting, it appears the Commission was in agreement
that parks dedication fees for commercial/industrial property would go Lo .05
cents per square foot, a single family would go to $514.00, duplex at $180,00,
townhouse to $408.00 and apartments $415.00. It would be ap>ropriate for the
Commission now to review, and make a determination if they wish to add
additional dollars to these amounts for a future trust fund/or reforestation
activity and for recommendation of the new rates to the City Council.
KV/bls
MEMORANDUM
TO: ADVISORY PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION
FRO : KEN VRAA, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION
DOROTHY PETERSON, RECREATION SUPERVISOR
MEL BAILEY, INTERN
DATE: OCTOBER 31, 1988
RE: SNOWMOBILE POLICY RESEARCH
BACKGROUND
At the October 6th Advisory Parks ar, . °oa t. r o Com ssi or yr i ng, the
Commission requested Staff to research th snowmobile policies in neighboring
communities. An addendum to the survey would be to learn whether neighboring
cities are considering banning snowmobiles in the near future.
COMMUNITY INFORMATION
The City of Lakeville's ordinance toward snowmobiles is very much like E
in reference to City streets. Snowmobiles ma not operate on school grL
boulevards, sidewalks or shoulders of County highways.
For the most part, snowmobiles are prohibited From operating in City parks.
Lakeville does allow snowmobiles on bike trails.
Lakeville has a strong snowmobile club with whom the Director of Parks and
Recreation works closely. The snowmobile trail system is extensive, however a
squeeze is beginning to be felt as more and more developers remove land from
use for the snowmobile trail system.
Banning snowmobiles in Lakeville is several years away; it is not c_::- ~pk-eah.'
at all at this time.
The City of Inver Grove Heights allows snowmobiles on streets as in the Eagan
ordinance. They may not be run on the shoulder or right of way of any County
highway unless expressly approved by the County.
Snowmobiles may not operate in parks or on City trails.
Two parks in Inver Grove Heights are expected as desiAgi 3ted travel r ter to
the extensive snowmobile trail system. The route is posted and s iownobi l e
operation in other areas of the park is prohibited.
The Director of Parks and Recreation's response to banning snowmobiles wa that
they'd "never be banned in Inver Grove Heights". That city is said to have
the highest proportion of snowmobilers for an urban area. Inver Grove Heights
has an avid snowmobile club with whom the department works extensively. The
club polices the trail; maverick use is rare.
Construction of the new freeway through Inver Grove Heights will change the
major trail system. It is possible that at some point in the future,
snowmobiles could be banned north of Highway 55 but "never completely banned",
according to Parks and Recreation Director, Anderson.
Policy in the City of Apple Valley mirrors Er. en's uinmce, and ent
policies. A snowmobile club, which annually requests 'snnc ')bile trails" is in
existence. Unlike in Inver Grove Heights and Lakevill , tho club does not
assist with making and policing trails.
I n Apple Valley, as in Eagan, snowmobi l ers ride inappropriately in parks and
school grounds. Policing is difficult.
In response to the question of banning snowmobiles, the
of Parks and Recreation said that he felt it was 2 or rt
At least, until the snowmobile club no longer requests ,}r=
In the City of Burnsville, snowmobiles are not allowed on str =_ts zeds are
not allowed within 150 feet of a house. As in Eagan, snowmobiles are
prohibited on public land.
The Superintendent of Recreation Services reported that snowmn iles in
Burnsville are in essence banned with the exception of Crystal Lake, ic) is
a combination of DR, County and City jurisdiction and to date ::i -)files do
operate on that lake.
In the City of Rosemount, snowmobiles are prohibited on park and school
property. Public streets may be used only as a direct route to and from a
designated trail.
State of Minnesota laws, rules and regulations state that municipal laws can
supersede state law in terms of imposing additional restricti-ins or
prohibitions on the operation of recreational motor vehicles on pr not
owned by the operator.
Dakota County provides an extensive trail system in its regional parks.
Snowmobiles are limited to those designated trails when in the park.
Additionally, snowmobiles may be operated in the right-of-way of County roads
and on private property with the owner's permission.
Municipal regulations can supersede the County.
ISSUES
The "neighbors" who were surveyed can be classified on a range of rural to
urban. Dakota County, Inver Grove Heights, Rosemount and Lakeville are on the
rural end of the scale. Burnsville might be considered the most urban. The
cities of Eagan and Apple Valley are emerging from rural to urban.
Where snowmobiles in Eagan are concerned, one issue to be addressed is, is the
City now more urban than rural?
A second consideration is whether the action taken for the 1987-88 t,>,ile
season, i.e. elimination of designated snowmobile trails in the City of Eagan,
is the continued appropriate bridge between rural and urban at this time.
Finally, the course of action discussed at the f=-.tc ber 6, 1988 Commission
meeting was to consider recommendation to ban s:_ im:oobiles in the City, the
exception being on private property.
FOR COMMISSION ACTION
It is appropriate for the Commission to make a recommendation at this time if
the direction to be pursued regarding snowmobile use in the City is more
stringent than what is now allowed by ordinance and in practice.
MEMORANDUM
TO: ADVISORY PARKS RECREATION COMMISSION
FRO : KEN DIRECTOR OF PARKS RECREATION
DOROTHY PETERSON, RECREATION SUPERVISOR
DATE: OCTOBER 25, 1988
RE: WELL SITE PARK, 1988-89 SKATING SEASON
STAFF REPORT
As plans progress for the 1988-89 winter skating season, an issue that taff
has addressed is - which park will provide an area large enough to crci } e a
speed skate oval? Among the criteria considered were contour, Iightinn :end
usage history of the site.
The Commission may recall that the department's Speed Skating Program has been
conducted at Goat Hill Park for the past two winters. In addition to the
pleasure rink being too small for the activity, the increased use of Goat Hill
Park by neighborhood users and hockey teams for practices has made it
extremely difficult to conduct speed skating practices at that site.
The following parks were assessed as possible sites on which an ice _~uta<.:e
large enough for a speed skate oval could be pl<-
Woodhaven Park: The field area adjacent to the hockey rink would be minimally
large enough, the slope would require considerable berm on the south end and
temporary lighting would be required. The pattern of use at Woodhaven would
have allowed room for the speed skate program.
Northview Park: Both parking lots were considered. The south p rkinc,, le.
considered to be minimally large enough, only a 100 meter oval wc:nld avz bc-'-n
feasible prior to drop off to the pond. I ho, slope on the n 7 ^ _ lot
would have required considerable tnr<<. T sorry lightin,. shelter would
have been required. No pattern of prior usage was a factor.
Bridle Ridge Park: The slope would have required significant berm to create a
rink large enough for speed skating. The planned pleasure rink lighting would
have been insufficient for a larger rink. In that no shelter is planned for
1988-89 season, Bridle Ridge was considered inappropriate.
Well Site Park: The area of the park is large enough for a 200 meter oval
with a 40 foot radius on the turn. Lighting is in place. A review of the
pattern of use indicates that casual hockey has declined a er , 10
players during the hours recorded. No hockey team
been scheduled at the site since 1984. Pleasure skate,,
hockey usage. The hockey boards are in a state of det,.rioratitun. irt`r el
grading is required. A warming trailer is planned for the site.
Staff consensus has narrowed the choice to Well Site Park for development of a
speed skate oval.
Enebek Construction, the general contractor for the i i ih. 0=Y M;~ Noe= t
has stored equipment at Well Site Park for the past ev?ra hs. n'd a
begun grading the park driveway and parking lot. Fr r~ eruct i~? ha
indicated a willingness to complete the minimal grading requ : rd, for the rneo
skating configuration.
The hockey rink will be removed in the next several days. Should Commission
members wish to review the site, current access can be made off Lakeside Drive
and the trail between homes.
Staff is very excited about this visibl E home for sp i i g. P,:'
we will challenge other South of the River coiiiinunities to
COMMISSION ACTION:
There is no action required by the Commission on this item.
TO: ADVISORY PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION
FROM: STEVE SULLIVAN, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT/PARKS PLANNER
DATE: OCTOBER 28, 1988
RE: WELL SITE PARK
BACKGROUND
The improvement of County Road #31 resulted in the re-design of Well Site
Park. The road proposal re-orients the park access to the north and the
additional 10' of fill places sideslopes into the free skatin area. The
Commission has previously renewed and approved the re-design of I irk. The
park is to be built this fall allowing winter programming o' ie existing
hockey rink and proposed free skate area.
ISSUE
The item for discussion is whether the park should be implemented according to
the pending re-design or a speed skate rink be considered. Staff will be
making a presentation to the Commission regarding the alternative designs.
SS/bls
MEMORANDUM
TO: ADVISORY PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION
" M: KEN VRAA, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION
DATE: OCTOBER 25, 1988
RE: 1989 PARK PRIORITIES
BACK,, U
At the October meeting, the Commission had an opportunity to review the
proposed 1989 development items. The Commission requested that this list be
prioritized recognizing that not all projects listed will be completed.
PROJECT PRIORITIES
:
A code system has been used to identify priorities fo A
the top with descending letters indicating lower prioriti~.s. In one or to
instances, such as playground equipment, numbers have also been used, i.e. Al,
A2, etc. to help to identify the order of installation, etc.
Please remember that staff will try to combine similar projects into 1 e
groups to obtain the best possible pricing. This has had, and will v
effect on the implementation of these priorities. And of course,
time and energy commitment to the Community Center project; rated;
Group A:
1988 Carry over Projects:
Contract 88-13 - Parks Grading
Contract 88-21 - Park Shelter Buildings
Park Reseeding
Trails:
Rahn Road
Trapp Farm
Mooney Lake
Bur Oaks
Well Site Park Complete Grading Inspections
Heine Pond Park Complete Grading Inspections
Mooney Lake - Clean Up Project
See Attachment
Staff believes this to be a reasonable approach to next year's projects
considering the many variables that come into the decision making process.
It's very likely that this list will be re-prioritized as time continues and
new irformation or problems are incurred.
FOR C(MMISSION ACTION
Review and comment, with direction to revise as appropriate. Action to
approve and recommend to City Council as 1989 work program.
T. _ ADVISORY PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION
DATE: OCTOBER 3, 1988
RE: 1989 GOALS AND OBJECTIVES: PARKS DEVELOPMENT
A. GOALS AND OBJECTIVES:
PARK PLANNING DIVISION PRIMARY TASK/GOAL PARK PRIGRI-'~
RESPONSIBILITIES
*Design, construction Construct neighborhood park W-escott'
documents, construction and related 1st phase tEtion A-1
administration & management facilities.
under City contract Willmus** A-2
**NOTE: Construct neighborhood park Carlson Lake A-4
A construction contract may and related 1st phase facilities
n )e possible given the
d in issues. An "A" priority Construct community park and Bl,r-". A-3
is for design only. related 1st phase facilities
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*Inspection, testing, Construct neighborhood Bur Oaks B
construction administration park and related 1st Manor Lake B
& supervision under private phase facilities
contract
A
*Inspection, testing Construct special use/athletic Well Site
construction administration park and related 1st phase
& supervision under contract facilities
contract by other governmental
agency.
*Programming, design evaluation Construct pavilion/shelter Blackhawk A
construction, administration building
management.
Construct picnic shelter I Heine Pond B
buildings Trapp Farm B
Kettle Park B
Evergreen A
Construct park shelter building Bridle Ride B
*Design supervise installation Implementation playground Trapp Farm [ -I
equipment construction O'Leary A-2
Ohmann B
Kettle Park A-4
Bridle Ridi e A-5
Cedar Pond A-3
Northvic-,
Slater IC r -s B
*Design supervise installation Implementation of landscaping O'Leary C
and reforestation Thomas L,Ie A
Lakesidi A
Northvi, B
Wood an A
Kettle A
Bridle Ridge A
Well Site C
Pilot Knob C
South Oak .s
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*Design, construction management Implementation of trailways Thomas Lake A
and administration Bur Oaks A
Northview B
Open Space Bridle Ridge B
*Design & supervise installation Implementation of plaza Jill A
areas, dock deck, observation aduwlands a B
deck Fish Lake I A
O'Leary B
Thomas Lake I B
Blackhawk 1111 C
Highline Tr.
Corridor B
*Design, construction documents, Implementation of tennis courts Northview A
construction administration and construction Bur Oaks A
management
*Design & supervise construction Implementation of horseshoe Tripp Farm B
courts in Park B
ad OWands A
rnol i an A
r
*Design, construction documents, Implementation of athletic Bridle Ridge A
construction administration & lighting Northview A
management. Ohmann B
*Design, construction documents, Implementation of parking lot Thomas Lake A
construction administration and lighting Ohmann B
management
*Design, construction documents Implementation of backstop Northview A
& supervise construction fencing Lakeside B
Bur Oaks B
Ohmann B
*Design & supervise construction Implementation of soccer Carnelian A
bankboard
*Design & supervise construction Implementation of parking lot Bur Oaks A
construction
entory and graphics Update as-built drawings All current
parks and A
facilities
*Design, provide alternatives Masterplanning Northview Park B
Road Entrance
Kehne House C
Patrick Eagan C
Windtree A
Lex/Diffley A
Site
*Design and supervise Implementation of comprehensive Park System A
signage system
*Construction Hockey Rinks Bridle Ridge A-1
Replacement: Well Site A-2
Replacement: Rahn A-2
*Construction Implementation of Irrigation Northview A-2
Rahn A-1
*Construction Implementation of Infields Northview A
Ohmann B
MEMORANDUM
TO: TOM HEDGES, CITY ADMINISTRATOR
HONORABLE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL
ADVISORY PARKS RECREATION COMMISSION
FRO KEN VRAA, DIRECTOR OF PARKS RECREATION
DATE: OCTOBER 31, 1988
RE: COMMUNITY CENTER UPDATE
COUNTY REVIEW
The Dakota County Library Board has ri., I , nproval for s cf ~s to
the Wescott Library site, which were inc ^porat i to the Con r stn i'_y Cent r
Site Plan. The Physical Development Committee vot d 3 - 0 to recommend to the
Dakota County Board of Commissioners the approval for these changes. It is
expected that the Dakota County Board will also make the necessary approvals.
This approval would direct the county attorney's office to provide an easement
to the City to allow for changes in the roadway design and parking lot which
will be on Dakota County property and for County Staff to work with the City
staff in developing a site plan incorporating appropriate signage and
landscaping for the entire site.
REACTION COMMITTEE
At the first meeting of the Citizens Reaction Committee on the 13th of
October, and again on the evening of October 27th, there were many good
comments. Regarding the building plan the Reaction Committee suggested (1) a
need to define an aerobics/jazzercise area which would be s, :-id controlled,
(2) a designated area for crafts (which are messy) an;' :null not be
accommodated effectively in the community rooms. It was sn e the area
shown under the community rooms which is now being shown as u"-xc:avated space
be used. (3) They were also concerned that the program space for Tiny Tots
was not large enough to accommodate the number of children and possible
programs, (4) operations of the concessions, (5) the entire building appears
to be "too" compact and has there been too much square footage squeezed out.
(6) Discussion involved the seating for the ice arena, however when it was
explained that each seat could cost in excess of $500, given the initial
requirements for space, etc., there seemed to be less willingness to expand
the seating, with preference to put those dollars into other areas.
The reaction, overall, was very positive about the plan, and several members
individually stated they really liked what had been developed. Outside of
some minor changes, there seemed to be a strong, positive feeling by everyone.
The architectural team took several pages of notes, which will be helpful for
evaluation and cost estimating of the proposed building. There was concern
expressed that space may be dominated by particular interest groups and that
use by others will be restricted in ice arena by hockey, community room by
meetings, activity gym by basketball. It was suggested that perhaps a p c
commitment needed to be developed which would go along with the building', plats
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explaining that the facility is a family and diverse use facility. The
group and staff team will be reviewing the project plans i nfet
we will be sending those comments to the architects as soon as pos b =e, the
Advisory Parks & Recreation Cc ssion will have it's review, aind comment
session at the November 3rd Commission meeting.
Direction to the architects has been to evaluate the proposed changes for
incorporation into the building plan and then to develop a
projected/feasibility cost estimate for construction. It is hopeful that this
cost refinement will be completed by November 22nd, the target d 4or V- C,
next reaction committee meeting. The meeting will not et d ! .it~vH y
until the middle of next week, after the orlr"s a f ul a
chance to review the proposed building plan.
Members of the Commission and Council are asked to reserve November 29, which
was previously targeted as a joint meeting date with the architect to review
changes, the cost estimates and to provide direction to the architect as to
any further modifications.
POOL PLAN REVIEW
On Friday, Milt Bellin, Minnesota State Health Depare of
Division, met with architects and staff to review the irelifr:r-;. y concert
plans envisioned for the swimming pool. It was a very fruitful four hour
session with Mr. Bellin, and appreciated his time commitment. Although, it
appears that Mr. Bellin has moved favorably in the direction of approving some
of the concepts envisioned for the pool, we are still somewhat dismayed by the
proposals that were not warmly received disspite the fact that These concepts
are currently being employed in several other states, and n"-,et National
Sanitation Foundation approvals. Nevertheless, the architects and staff 11
be detailing some of these proposals in sketch form to help the various
officials to visualize and review these concepts. We then believe that t y
will either be received or rejected, and if rejected opened to the variance
procedures.
KV/bls
MEMORANDUM
TO: ADVISORY PARKS RECREATION COMMISSION
FROM: MEL BAILEY, PARKS RECREATION INTERN
DATE: OCTOBER 27, 1988
RE: EAGAN PARK REPRESENTATIVES
UPDATE
The purpose of this memo is to give the Commission a progress report on the
neighborhood park representatives.
Thursday, October 20th, was the second meeting of this "unoffici_l."
organization. There were various topics covered at .e meetin . <<e
organization's objectives and guidel ir, , nar' ro ;t s ta u . ~ 1
activities, winter maintenance procedure -nd goal: For 1 .s deer 1otcn nt
were the main issues reported by staf. Chairran Carroll was also in
attendance in a supportive role. The meeting ended by allowing
representatives to discuss with staff individual park concerns.
RECRUITMENT
The most recent count of representatives n w stands at thirty. 11-0-- lea
only five (5) selected parks without i ~tatives. Staff h li e that
these openings will be filled as word o he organization spreads in tho
community.
ADDITIONAL COMMENTS
The logical question which needs to be addressed is "where do we gc -om
here?" One suggestion made on October 20th was to have a rr ting in F v
in conjunction with the Community Center Referendum. Any the is to ~
during the spring to allow staff to discuss issues connected with se-1 anal
park department projects.
COMMISSION DISCUSSION,
Staff welcomes any comments the Commission might have regarding this
organization. Enclosed is an updated list of park representatives for your
utilization.
MB/bls
Attach.
EAGAN PARK REPRESENTATIVES
PARK VOLUNTEER TELEPHONE
1. BLACKHAWK PARK John Epple (H) 452-5290
3856 Riverton Ave.
Eagan, MN 55122
2. BRIDLE RIDGE PARK Robin Fluin (H) 454-2951
3870 Canter Glen Lane
Eagan, MN 55123
3. BURR OAKS PARK Jean Schroeder (H) 452-3352
570 Chapel Lane
Eagan, MN 55121
4. CARLSON LAKE PARK Robert Sandeen (W) 643-2649
1304 E. Balsam Trail (H) 454.-5784
Eagan, MN 55123
5. CARNELIAN PARK Maureen Janke (H) 688-6267
1790 Taconite Trail (W) 297-4956
Eagan, MN 55122
6. CEDAR POND PARK Linda Palmer (H) 452-7803
2065 Emerald Lane
Eagan, MN 55122
7. COUNTRY HOME PARK Steve Mexner (H) 688-0477
2838 Vilas Lane
Eagan, MN 55121
8. FISH LAKE PARK Stella Lundquist (H) 452-9300
1360 Dresdon Ct.
Eagan, MN 55123
9. GOAT HILL PARK John Uebel (H) 452-8437
4392 Capicorn Ct.
Eagan, MN 55123
10. HIGHVIEW PARK Marie Benson (H) 452-2227
3140 Quarry Ct.
Eagan, MN 55121
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11. KETTLE PARK Dale Klossuer (H) 688-2984
2025 Pin Oak Dr.
Eagan, MN 55122
12. LAKESIDE PARK Cindy Furrer (W) 835-9933
542 Atlantic Hill Dr. (H) 454-6103
Eagan, MN 55123
13. MEADOWLAND PARK John Schmidt (W) 831-6500
1910 Bear Path Tr. (H) 454-0526
Eagan, MN 55122
14. MOONSHINE PARK Wayne Larson (H) 688-0945
1321 Jurdy Rd
Eagan, MN 55121
15. OAK CHASE PARK Phyllis Ligman (H) 454-2960
4374 Garden Trail
Eagan, MN 55122
16. GEORGE OHMANN PARK Joe Miller (H) 681.-9009
4640 Fairway Hills Dr.
Eagan, MN 55123
17. O'LEARY PARK Richard Meyer (W) 725-1297
1181 Kihi Wake Cir. (H) 688-8114
Eagan, MN 55123
18. PERIDOT PATH Cherryl Mesko (W) 454-8100
3995 Peridot Path
Eagan, MN 55122
19. PILOT KNOB PARK Sandra Meyer (H) 452-8963
3058 Woodlark Lane
Eagan, MN 55121
20. QUARRY PARK Jeff Michaelis (H) 452-1176
3233 Donald Avenue
Eagan, MN 55121
21. RAHN PARK Benita Soller (H) 454-3397
4259 Limestone Dr.
Eagan, MN 55122
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22. RIDGECLIFF PARK Mark Ochs (W) 896-0596
1797 Covington Lane (H) 681-9207
Eagan, MN 55122
23. SKY HILL PARK Paul Reyes (H) 454-3399
1765 Crestridge
Eagan, MN 55122
24. SLATER ACRES PARK Mary Packwood (H) 890-4616
2170 James St.
Eagan, MN 55122
Amjad Ahmad (H) 894-7543
4807 Slater Ct. (W) 481-7642
Eagan, MN 55122
25. SOUTH OAKS PARK Phil Sherwood (W) 881-5400
676 N. Hay Lake Rd. (H) 456-5673
Eagan, MN 55123
26. TRAPP FARM PARK Cathy Batholet (W) 829-8771
781 Cougar Dr. (H) 452-2096
Eagan, MN 55123
27. WALDEN HEIGHTS PARK Jackie Taylor (H) 454-4153
1485 Thomas Lane (W) 456-8110
Eagan, MN 55122
28. WALNUT HILL PARK Deb Haupt (H) 452-4910
1067 Tiffany Dr.
Eagan, MN 55123
29. WOODHAVEN PARK Carlos McKee (H) 454-3630
3947 Beryl Rd
Eagan, MN 55122
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DEPARTMENT HA ' IN S
1. The 1988 Groundpounders Grand Prix Running Series ended successfully
with the Apple Valley Fore by 4 Run on Sunday, October 23rd.
2. The Halloween Party for children is to be held on October 29, t
Woodland Elementary instead of the Fire Administration Community F:,'1,,,11
because of increased participation over the years.
3. The Halloween Spook Trail will be held at Woodhaven n Cr:. ud.,or 31st
from 6:00 - 8:00 P.M. This year we will have a movie theme with Freddy
Krueger from "Nightmare on Elm Street," Jason from "Halloween" and
Herman Munster from "The Munsters" startling those that walk the trail.
Twenty-one volunteers, including nine girl scouts will be staffing the
trail.
4. A school's out party was held on Friday, Octet}or 21°+ h 5
participants. Games, relays, crafts, pizza and ice parts
highlights.
5. Me Two!, a new program offered this fall for Moms and Dads and their two
year olds is being held at the Sky Hill Park shelter building. Sixteen
participants and their two year olds are enjoying their time toyH:h by
singing, painting and learning new games.
6. Imagine That! is another new pr -,r,~; being offer(rd. -,.,,r, "r 'Y x,
and girls, ages 3 - 5 enjoy ti; Apicring D',E;csau s, " u
Dr. Seuss.
7. Maintenance Staff completed the installation of irrigation lines and
sprinkler heads at Rahn Athletic Park. Final clean-up of the site has
been completed, along with top dressing and over seeding . Re-sodding
of the senior league athletic field will also be done in preparation tor
games next spring. Final installation of the mechanical pad and pump
will be done early next year, at which time the system will oe
activated.
8. Work also began on the underground irrigation sprinkler system for
Ohmann Park. As of October 26, the mainline had been installed and the
three soccer fields were nearing completion. With favorable weather the
fourth soccer field/softball field overlay will be completed in early
November with dormant seeding and mulching by Central Landscaping to
follow.
9. The irrigation systems at Goat Hill and N~or=L iew Park rc blown out
and winterized. At seasons end approximately 3.7 and 2.9 million
gallons were used in the Northview and Goat Hill systems respectively,
equating to about 15 inches of supplemental precipitation.
10. The installation of replacement and new sod was completed at several
parks this fall. These included South Oaks, Quarry, Walnut Hill, Sky
Hill and Trapp Farm. The aeration and over-seeding of various soccer
fields, such as Northview, Blue Cross/Blue Shield and Rahn Park we e
completed in October. Dormant fertilization has also begun. Centre!
Landscaping completed re-seeding and mulching of the parks coa t= clo
in 1987, which included O'Leary, Vienna 'roods, "z' ''.Jean(' i l
Parks. These programs conclude all planned hall 1-,- T ~a wr r.<
11. Mowing of the parks and boulevards also came to a conclusion by mid-
October. Seasonal crews assigned to the mowing routes assisted with
irrigation, sodding and other fall development.
12. Maintenance and improvement of the softball infields at Metcalf
High School began in October, under a cooperative ve"ture with he
Burnsville School District. These fields are used by the City % n
programming adult and youth softball. The school district com„nTt
$4,000 for new aglime with manpower and equipment furnished by the Parks
& Recreation Department. Fall aglime maintenance and enrichment was
also completed by staff at Goat Hill, Northview and Rahn Athletic
fields, and Walnut Hill and Ridgecliff neighborhood parks.
13. The fall soccer program came to conclusion with the haute cer
tournament on October 8th, at Sky Hill Park. The junior° oc,_ coals
have since been moved off of the neighborhood parks to dis o ra
to the still sensitive turf.
14. Maintenance staff installed new backhoe diggers in the playgrounds at
Meadowlands and Lakeside Parks.
15. Implementation of the 1988 portion of the Five Year Bi4_minous
Maintenance Program was completed with the color coating ar? `airier
gate rehabilitation at four neighborhood tennis courts. Th' ok was
contracted with Tennis West and involved courts at Oak Chase, Woodhiavon,
Evergreen and Pilot Knob Parks.
16. The old hockey rink lighting at Pilot Knob Park was removed in October.
Plans are also going ahead to remove supplemental lighting from Highview
Hockey Rink to bring it more in line with pleasure rink lighting needs.
17. Preparations are already underway for the sledding hill at Tr Faux;
Park. Mowing has been completed and temporary fencing and to
features are soon to be installed.
18. Installation of replacement trees on sites which incurred the heaviest
losses, was completed in October. A combination of machine moved and
nursery stock was used. Landscaping of the Woodland Elementary
School/Park was begun in October; forty Ash, forty Pine and seven Oak
trees were planted. Forestry staff also participated with the
elementary grades in the planting of trees on the grounds, as Least. of
the school's "Reach For Th- Sky" dedicati=gin. Staff spoke ore the
importance of conservation trees in the cwmm unity.
19. The Parks and Recreation Department took delivery on its of ni ice
resurfacer in October. This machine will mount on the h-.a:c.k of th a
department tractor and will be used for sha.;= io of outdoor skating
and possibly some ice sealing. This smaller version of commonly known as "TMA", works on the same principals as oppc o an
ice surfacing machine and should result in a higher level of qu;iity in
smoothness of the skating surfaces.
20. The City also received grant agreements from the Minnesota Department of
Natural Resources for the installation of a fishing pier on Fish Lake in
the spring of 1989.
21. Volume I of the 1989 Activities Calendar went to the print room
Wednesday, October 26, one week ahead of schedule. Distribution is
looked for right after Thanksgiving. The Summer/Fall issue will be
distributed in May.
22. Applications are being received for sliding hill and skating rink
seasonal staff positions. It is hoped that a nucleus of ex, n
winter recreation leaders will return. Interviews will take- ofao.e in
mid-November. A revised format of training is planned.
23. The Eagan Hockey and Rosemount Area Hockey Associations have developed
guidelines for youth sign ups - All Eagan 1st year players will skate
with EHA. Second year Eagan players may skate with RAHA for one more
year. The net result is: Outdoor practice ice time for FHA comes
exclusively from Eagan Parks and Recreation. The team count is: 6
mites (may be 7), 6 mini mites, 4 squirt, 3 pee wee and 2 bantam for a
total of 21 teams. In the past EHA skated .a ;,maximum of 1w team . It
is yet to be determined as to how many Ens _ar, Youth a°°e : k a , , with
RAHA. Staff will provide the Commission with a repento ing a
meeting with Youth Hockey Association members. That meeting will occur
in the next week or two.
24. Basketball team managers meetings will be held on Wednesday, ti`t"i_er
16. Gym space from School District 196 is at a level that (20')
3-Man teams and sixteen (16) 5-Man teams can be _cce:}ed. La! ye v,'s
count was fifteen (15) 3-Man and sixteen (16) 5- 1 teaiai:s.
25. Organization for broomball teams will occur late,, in November. The Co-
Rec League will be offered jointly with the City of Burnsville.
26. Seven Rosemount Area Athletic Association travel basketball coaches were
NYSCA certified on October 15. A December clinic will be offered for
the "in-house" basketball leagues. It is anticipated that this will be
a joint EAA/RAAA clinic.
27. The Stagedoor Performers are set up at the Fire Administration Enilding
for Halloween costume rental. Staff is hopeful that this will be a
financially successful effort.
28. The Senior Citizens group has "resettled" into the Fir. . ~-ini' tv tion
Building. Meetings were at alternate sites for the past scvef,a.i nm nths.
The Pilot Knob Road construction is affecting attendance, to a d'
It's time for a polka band to perform!!
MEMO TO: ADVISORY PARKS RECREATION COMMISSION
FRO : STEVE SULLIVAN, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT/PARKS PLANNER
DATE: OCTOBER 11, 1988
RE: PILOT KNOB ROAD CONSTRUCTION
This letter is in response to the Commission's inquiry regarding the status of
Pilot Knob Road construction and Fish Lake. My inspection on October 7,
found that the sideslope to the lake was graded and rip-rap was installed. No
erosion is evident. Floating silt fence was installed across Fish Lakcc.
Seeding of the sideslope is to be dormant planted in the late fall.
SS/bls
cc: Ken Vraa, Director of Parks & Recreation
Inver
October 18, 1988
Kenneth Vraa
Eagan Parks & Rec.
3830 Pilot Knob Rd.
Eagan, MN, 55122
Dear Mr. X aa:
On behalf of the M.R.P.A. Board of Directors, it is my pleasure to inform
you that your project has been recognized as a recipient of the 1988 M.R.P.A.
Citation Award. We intend to recognize each of the Citation Award winners at
the M.R.P.A. Fall conference, followed by a formal presentation to your
governing body at a later date. I will contact you by phone to arrange a
date with your respective governing body when the plaques arrive in early
November.
On behalf of the M.R.P.A. Board of Directors, I want to again, commend you
for your outstanding project and I look forward to greeting you at the Fall
Conference.
Should you have any questions regarding the M.R.P.A. Award Program, please
contact myself directly at 457-2111, ext. 280.
Inecrely,
Bruce K. Anderson, -_rectar
Parks and Recreat-:;.;.
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CITY OF EAGAN
SUBJECT: REZONING, PRELIMINARY PLAT, VARIANCE
THOMAS SLATER ADDITION
APPLIC : THOMAS SLATER
LOCATION: 1/4 OF SECTION 31
EXISTING ZONING: AG (AGRICULTURAL)
DATE OF PUBLIC HEARING: OCTOBER 25, 1988
DATE OF REPORT: OCTOBER 17, 1988
REPORTED BY: PLANNING & ENGINEERING DEPARTMENTS
APPLICATION SUMMARY: Separate applications have been submitted
requesting a Rezoning of 1.5 Ag (Agricultural) acres to an R-1
(Single Family) district consisting of two lots located north of
Storland and Rusten Roads. This proposal is in conformance with
the City's most recent Land Use Plan that designates this area
D-1 Single Family (0-3 units/acre).
EXISTING CONDITIONS/SITE PLAN.-
Rusten Road will be extended to the north and since it will be
560' long, a Variance to the 500' maximum cul-de-sac length will
be necessary. The street/cul-de-sac area was rough graded with a
previous public improvement project. The lots are heavily wooded
and fall towards a City storm pond. Custom home sites will allow
for individual lot grading. There will be approximately 20' of
vertical distance from a first floor house elevation and the
pond. Lots 1 & 2 contain 24,700 square feet and 30,750 square
feet, including the pond area. The net area is 15,100 square
feet and 17,500 square feet with both being at least 100' wide at
the setback line.
GRADING/DRAINAGE/EROSION CONTROL: No site grading is proposed
for lot development. The site is well drained and slopes towards
the east/northeast to Pond AP-34. Pond AP-34 is a designated
ponding area in the City of Eagan's Comprehensive Storm Sewer
plan.
Since no site grading is required for lot development, individual
lot erosion and sediment control is recommended during the
building phase and should include the following:
1. Silt fence to control sediment on each lot.
2. A gravel access pad to minimize tracking of mud onto paved
streets.
3. Site restoration.
UTILITIES: Sanitary sewer service and water main service of
sufficient size, capacity and depth are readily available along
the westerly side of the proposed development. Two sanitary
sewer services have been provided to the property, but it appears
that only one can be used because of the location. One
additional 4" service would need to be installed for the proposed
Lot 2. Although a 6" water main is readily available, no
services were tapped from the existing water main at the time of
the initial water main installation. The development will be
responsible for providing a water main service to each proposed
lot.
Individual pressure reducing valves will be required.
STREETS/ACCESS/CIRCULATION: No improved public street access
exists to serve the proposed development. The development will
be responsible for providing upgraded street access or the
appropriate public improvement contract for the upgrade of Rustin
Road must be approved by Council prior to final plat approval.
EASEMENTS/RIGHTS-OF-WAY/PERMITS: The development will be
responsible for providing the appropriate street right-of-way for
the construction of Rustin Road.
The development will be responsible for providing the appropriate
ponding easement for Pond AP-34 as necessitated by storage volume
requirements and high water elevations as outlined in the City of
Eagan's Comprehensive Storm Sewer Plan.
The development is responsible for obtaining all regulatory
agency permits within the appropriate time frame as required by
the affected agency.
PUBLIC STREETS/UTILITY FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS: A search of City
Special Assessment records show that the property has no pending
assessments of record.
CONDITIONS: THOMAS SLATER ADDITION
1. These standard conditions of plat approval as adopted by
Council action on September 15, 1987 shall be complied with:
Bl, B2, B3, B4, Cl, C2, C5, Dl, El, Fl, and Gl.
2. The development is responsible for providing the appropriate
sanitary sewer and water service to each platted lot.
STANDARD CONDITIONS OF PLAT APPROVAL
A. Assessments
1. This development shall accept its additional assessment
obligations as defined in the staff's report in
accordance with the final plat dimensions and the rates
in effect at the time of final plat approval.
B. Easements and Rights-of-Way
1. This development shall dedicate 10' drainage and utility
easements centered over all common lot lines and adjacent
to private property or public right-of-way.
2. This development shall dedicate, provide, or financially
guarantee its proportionate share of the acquisition
costs of additional drainage, ponding, and utility
easements as required by the alignment, depth, and
storage capacity of all required public utilities and
streets located beyond the boundaries of this plat or
outside of dedicated public right-of-way as necessary to
service this development.
3. This development shall dedicate all public right-of-way
and temporary slope easements for ultimate development of
adjacent roadways as required by the appropriate
jurisdictional agency.
4. This development shall dedicate adequate drainage and
ponding easements to incorporate the required high water
elevation necessitated by City storm water storage volume
requirements.
C. Plans and Specifications
1. All public streets and utilities necessary to provide
service to this development shall be designed by a
registered professional engineer in accordance with City
codes and engineering standards and policies, and
approved by staff prior to final plat approval.
2. A detailed grading, drainage, erosion, and sediment
control plan must be prepared in accordance with current
City standards and approved by staff prior to final plat
approval.
3. This development shall insure that all temporary dead end
public streets shall have a cul-de-sac constructed in
accordance with City engineering standards.
4. A detailed landscape plan shall be submitted on the
proposed grading plan and approved by staff prior to the
final plat approval. The financial guarantee shall be
included in the Development Contract and not released
until one year after the date of installation.
STANDARD CONDITIONS OF PLAT APPROVAL
PAGE TWO
5. All internal public and private streets shall be
constructed within the required right-of-way in
accordance with City design standards.
D. Public Improvements
1. If any public improvements are to be installed under a
City contract, the appropriate project must be approved
by Council action prior to final plat approval.
E. Permits
1. This development shall be responsible for the acquisition
of all regulatory agency permits in the time frame
required by the affected agency.
F. Parks Dedication
1. This development shall fulfull its parks dedication
requirements as recommended by the Advisory Parks and
Recreation Commission and approved by Council action.
G. Other
1. All standard platting and zoning conditions shall be
adhered to unless specifically granted a variance by
Council action.
Advisory Planning Commission City Council
Approved: Auqust 25, 1987 September 15, 1987
Revised:
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PROPOSED NAME: THOMAS G. SLATER ADDITION NOTES:
Owner & Developer: Thomas G. Slater 1) Area is served by sanitary sewer and water
2200 James Court which is in place in the existing utility
Eagan, MN 55122 easement.(See Eagan Record Plan No. 951)
Tel: 890-0230
2) No site grading is necessary.
Abbreviated Description: That part of the NE1 of SW# of Section 31,
Township 27, Range 22 lying southerly of 3) 13 A possible house location,
SLATERS ACRES and northerly of NORVIN OAKS. 4) Prepared 09-14-88
Gross Area 1.5 acres /D°18-88
Gross Area Water Area Net Area Delmar H:$Cgiwhnz.
Scaled Lot Areas Lot 1 24,700 sq.ft 9,600 15,100 RLS 8625
Lot 2 30,750 sq.ft.13,300 17,500
Existing zoning Agriculture DELMAR H. SCHWANZ
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M E M 0 R A N D U M
TO: Tom Hedges
Tom Colbert
.'Ken Vraa
FROM: Michael G. Dougherty
DATE: October 31, 1988
RE: The Purchase of Property IUD
Our File No.: 00E--05594
Over the last couple of weeks, I have been in almost daily
contact with Monica Hardmann, the attorney for HUD in ,,-ashin'gt' u
D.C. , regarding the possibility of the sale of the to
of Eagan. My last call to Ms. Hardmann inquired would be willing to sell the land to Eagan if a_ e
reached with First Bank St. Paul that would pro.,!,-' R
ultimately unwind its previous deals with First B:,irk St. Paul.
Basically, BUD fears that if it were placed in a position whereby it
sought a return of all the monies it had paid to the First Bank St.
Paul, HUD would need to be able to transfer all the property back to
First Bank St. Paul. Obviously, a sale of the property in the interim
would not allow HUD to pursue this r medy.
My suggestion to Ms. Hardmann that I would a~::t<~:~opt to
negotiate with First Bank St. Paul t achieve an agreem(( t whereby
First Bank St. Paul would acknowledge and consent to the sale of the
property from HUD to Eagan. In the event that HUD is awarded the
right to unwind the deal, that in exchange for all the monies paid by
HUD to First Bank St. Paul, First Bank St. Paul would receive the
proceeds of the sale from HUD to the City of Eagan. On ".ursday,
October 27, Ms. Hardmann contacted me indicating that ' five had
approved the sale of the property subject to reaching t. -greement
with First Bank St. Paul.
This morning I spoke with Kevin Ellis, who represents First Bank
St. Paul, and outlined the proposal to him. Kevin indicated that he
would be meeting on November 2 with the loan officers of First Bank
St. Paul as well as officials of HUD in Minnesota. He would bring to
their attention the potential sale and agreement b& een the parties
for their reaction. Kevin asked what property wa: t C_~. rested
in purchasing and what the proposed purch 'im my
only reference was the original proposal f
defined the 65 acres west of Lexington Ave-i at a purcha- pr.ce of
$14,200.00. 1 further indicated to him, that there may be some
interest by the City in obtaining both the triang_ ircel off of
Diffley as well as the Wilderness Run parcel. After ' giving an
opportunity to discuss First Bank's reaction with Keiin Ellis on
Wednesday morning, I'll sit down and work out the particulars of the
purchase agreement with you.
Hopefully, there will be some light at the end of the tunnel on
this issue so that on Wednesday or Thursday, w, can at least
tentatively have the perimeters of an agx ,orked out with
and First Bank St. Paul. If you have any q ons on this matte!,
please do not hesitate to be in contact with
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