07/14/1977 - Advisory Parks & Recreation CommissionMINUTES OF A REGULAR MEETING OF THE ADVISORY PARK COMMITTEE
July 14, 1977
A regular meeting of the Eagan Advisory Park COM1 ttee
was held at 7 :30 P.I. at the Eagan City Hall on July 14, 1977.
Those members present were Chairperson Lundsten, Thursten,
Coates, Martin, Beck, Brown and Roszak. Also present were
City Administrator Tom Hedges, Park Director Barb Schmidt and
City Engineer Bob Rosene and City Planner John Voss.
Absent were Committee Members Hagen and Seurer.
MINUTES. Upon motion by Roszak, seconded Coates, all
members voting in favor, it was RESOLVED that the June 30, 1977
minutes be approved as read.
HILLTOP ESTATES. Mr. Rod Hardy representing Dunn and
Curry appeared and presented a preliminary plat entitled
"Hilltop Estates an 80 acre development which is planned
for the northeast corner of the intersection of County Road
30 and 31. Mr. Hardy explained that if the preliminary plat
is approved, the grading will start this fall. He explained
that there are two storm water holding ponds located on the
property proposed for development and it is anticipated that
both ponds will be dedicated to the City for purposes of hold-
ing storm water and also to be used as park land. Mr. Hardy
then explained that Dunn and Curry is willing to deed a 30
foot primary trail throughout Hilltop Estates to supplement
their park dedication requirements He further stated that
if some of the irregular corners agound the small pond is not
included in development that area would also be deeded over
to the City for paw purposes. Mr. Hardy stated that the
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entire area that is under consideration totals 81.3 acres
and further that the average lot is estimated in size to
be 16,000 square feet. Park Director Schmidt asked if the
trail would be surfaced by the Developer once Hilltop
Estates is platted and developed. Mr. Hardy explained that
Dunn and Curry is not planning to surface the trail however
does anticipate some grading and cleaning so the trail is
ready to be surfaced by the City. Mr. Hardy explained that
the large pond is approximately 7 acres and that the trail
totals approximately 3,300 linear feet. Comments by Committee
Members were directed specifically at the trail system and
how it relates to Patrick Eagan Park as well as its signifi-
cance as a primary trail in the City of Eagan. After further
discussion on the matter and in a motion by Roszak, seconded
Martin, all members voting in favor, the preliminary plat
entitled 'Hilltop Estates' was referred to the Development
Committee and its administrative and consulting staff for
review purposes.
MALLARD PARK FIRST, SECOND AND THIRD ADDITIONS. Mr. Tom
Tlillrnus appeared and presented preliminary plats entitled
'$Mallard Park First, Second and Third Additions He stated
that the three plats are proposed generally in that area
north of the Woodgate Development area. Mr. Willmus• stated
that the proposed Mallard Park Additions constitute a portion
of the 200 acre tract he is planning to develop in the next
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several years. He further explained that he would lke;to
make a cash donation in lieu of park dedication at this
time due to topographic reasons and then make a park land
dedication on the flat land where future development is
planned. Mr.Willmus explained that a future park land
dedication could serve the entire development area The
Park Committee Members stated that there is a 200 foot ease-
ment from Northern States Power Company for the high voltage
tension lines that cross Mr.Willmus property and it is
possible a part of this property could be used as open
space for park land purposes. Park Director Schmidt stated
that City staff is making a study of these types of residen-
tial developments to determine park dedication, however, it
is anticipated that this report will not be completed until
late summer or early fall. In a motion by Roszak, seconded
Coates, all members voting in favor, the proposed preliminary
plats for Mallard Park First, Second and Third Additions was
referred to the Development Committee and administrative and
consulting staff for further review.
PARK DEDICATION RESEARCH. Park Director Schmidt stated
that the City staff is conducting a survey of several suburban
communities in the metropolitan area concerning park dedication
and after the information is compiled, the data will be pre-
sented to the Park Committee. She stated that the research
is directed specifically at the formula for park dedication
and cash donation and how each is equitable for a community
in consideration of park development. Committee Member Roszak
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discussed the possibility of hiring an appraiser to determine
land values which is an important factor and consideration
in determining equitable cash donations in lieu of park
dedication. He stated that an appraiser would relieve some
of the burden of determining land value from the City staff
and also provide a neutral objective expert for determining
cash values for land dedication to the City Council. Roszak
stated that it is possible that the appraiser could cost
$100-$1000 depending upon the comprehensiveness of the study.
Chairperson Lundsten stated that the approach of using an
appraiser is good and should be considered as a part of the
staff proposal in their study and research of park dedication.
She further stated that she would like for the City staff to
explore park dedication requirements as to how they are
related to commercial development within the City.
CHES MAR THIRD ADDITION. Park Director Schmidt reported
that the preliminary plat for Ches Mar Third Addition was
approved at the July 5, 1977 City Council meeting with the
exception that consideration be given to relocating a trail
which is designated by the Park Advisory Committee between
Lots 19 and 20, Block 2, Ches ?lar Third Addition as proposed.
City Administrator Hedges stated that buildable lots located
adjacent to a county road require a 50 foot setback and
because of the size of the lot the City Council felt the trail
would be better located in the county road right -of -way
therefore allowing a house to be set back further from Cliff
Road. City Engineer Rosene stated that the trail is designated
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to intersect with the location of the two reservoirs which
are planned to the west of Ches Mar Third Addition. Therefore,
the City Engineer further indicated that it is better planning
to locate the trail in the Cliff Road right -of -way for
planning purposes.
CLIFF ROAD TRAIL. Park Director Schmidt reported that
a meeting between the City staff and Dakota County Highway Dept.
staff was held recently to discuss the feasibility of
designing a 13 foot berm as a part of the road improvements
planned by the county this year in the Woodgate area. She
further stated that the City staff is recommending that the
13 foot berm be included with the construction plans so that
a trail could be constructed adjacent to Cliff Road in future
years. After further discussion on the matter, in a motion
by Cooper, seconded Beck, all members voting in favor, action
was taken to recommend that the Dakota County Highway Depart-
ment include a 13 foot berm on the north side of Cliff Road
as a part of their construction plan for the update and improve-
ment of Cliff Road in the Woodgate area to allow for the
future development of a trail along Cliff Road in that area.
DONNYWOOD PARK. Chairperson Lundsten introduced the
Donnywood Park issue by stating that all the development plans
for Donnywood Park were reviewed and established as a part
of the original plat approved in 1973. She further stated
that Donnywood Park was intended to be a wildlife nature
area and that two 6 -foot hard surfaced trails would be
constructed to allow accessibility by the public into the
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Donnywood Park area. Chairperson Lundsten explained that
because there is some opposition to constructing one of the
access trails leading directly into Donnywood Park, the
matter was referred to the Development Committee and asked
the committee chairman to give a report of their findings.
Park Committee Member Coates stated that the Development
Committee is recommending the following:
1. Six foot wide asphalt pathways should be installed
on Outlots A and B according to the agreement
made between the developer and the City Council as
a condition of final plat approval.
A. To provide clearly defined access to the
City park land.
R. To provide access to the land locked
parcel adjacent to the park land.
2. The Park Committee should also add additional
footage leading into the park area to the trail on
Outlot A to prevent its ending abruptly at the rear
lot line.
3. Fill should be provided by the developer in the low
area in the southern portion of the park as originally
agreed at the time of platting.
A. To allow walking access to the natural
area from one side of the park to the
other.
B. To provide better access to the park in
the area adjacent to Outlot R.
Mr. Ray Davis appeared and stated that he was in favor
of the trails but questioned whether motorized vehicles
are allowed on a six foot trail. Chairperson Lundsten
explained that the trails are planned for pedestrian move-
ment and non motorized vehicles and that motorized vehicles
are excluded from use on the trails. Mr. Don Grant appeared
and stated that he was in favor of constructing both trails
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and also asked that the petition from the residepjs in By
The Shores be read in full. Park Director Schmidt read the
petition from the property owners who are located in By The
Shores which basically states opposition to construction of
a six foot bituminous trail on Outlot A. Mr. Grant explained
that property owners who reside around Donnywood Park were
in agreement with the platting of By The Shores if the City
Council was agreeable to a six foot hard surface trail access
from Quarry Court to Donnywood Park assuring property owners
in the area access to Donnywood Park. He further stated that
before the final plat for By The Shores was approved, the City
Council agreed to constructing a hard surface pathway in
Outlot A. City Engineer Rosene discussed the boundary line
of Donnywood Park and explained that approximately 2 4%
of the wetland area would be sacrificed if fill were allowed
to be placed along Lots 1 and 2, Block 3, By The Shores plat.
He further stated that the fill would be 0 3 feet in depth
and would be excess dirt provided by the developer of By The
Shores plat. Mx. Gordie Tierney questioned the water level
of the pond and stated that the wetland does not soak away as
rapidly as described by the City Engineer. He further stated
that he is in opposition to a hard surface pathway on Outlot
A. Mr. Tierney stated that he is supporting an alternate
pathway through Outlot E which would make better access to
the entire wetland and also LeMay Lake. Per. Joe Kellner
appeared and stated that he was in support of a hard surface
trail on Outlot A and also stated that the pond as described
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fluctuates in depth quite regularly depending upon the amount
of rain received each year. Park Committee Member Roszak
asked the City Engineer to provide information on the desired
water level for the pond and also whether the water will
encroach the Tierney property if the fill is placed on the
edge of Lots 1 and 2, Block 3 of the plat as described.
City Engineer Rosene stated that the wetland would remain
at a more constant level if a storm water pipe were extended
between the wetland and LeMay Lake. Mr. Ray Davis stated
that he is anxious to have the pathway surfaced which is
planned for Outlot B. He further stated that a surfaced
walkway will allow a designated route for pedestrian and non
motorized vehicles whereas presently, pedestrians and non
motorized vehicles are crossing various areas of his property.
Don Grant again spoke to the matter of the trail access
and stated that access to Donnywood Park was the main issue
at the time the plat was approved, therefore, again discussed
his support of the hard surface pathways for Outlot A and
Outlot B. Mr. Mark Johnhardt appeared and stated that people
that are presently using the nature wildlife area are
entering at an access point through Outlot E rather than
Outlot A and questioned why a hard surface trail was proposed
for Outlot A when the people are not using that access to
Donnywood Park. Mr. Johnhzrc:t stated that he was in favor of
the alternate pathway in Outlot E as opposed to a hard surface
pathway on Outlot A. Jolly Sault appeared and was concerned
about the variance procedure stating that Hr. Tancheff house
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should not have been allowed to be constructed within two
feet of a hard surface pathway. Mr. John Voss, City Planner,
was called upon by Chairperson Lundsten to discuss the
neighborhood park concept and how the entire development of
By The Shores as well as adjoining developments relate to
Donnywood Park. Mr. Don Sault appeared and stated that
because the property is developed and the fact that Mr.
Tancheff °s house was allowed to be built within two feet of
the trail he feels that the hard surface pathway designated
on Outlot A should not be allowed to be developed and the City
should consider developing a hard surface pathway on Outlot
E for access to Donnywood Park and LeMay Lake. He further
stated that people will use the hard surface trail on Outlot
E more than the trail that is planned for Outlot A. Mr. Frank
Vukmonich appeared and stated that he is a professional
ecologist and feels that a wildlife area as designated for
Donnywood Park is not compatible to a play area and therefore
feels that a hard surface pathway leading directly into
Donnywood Park should not be ilowed. He further stated that
the proposal as presented by the property owners in By The
Shores designating Outlot E a:; a hard surface pathway is a
better proposal for recreational use in the area. Park
Director Schmidt stated that there is no maintenance proposed
for Donnywood Park due to the fact that the park land has been
determined as a minimal refuge area for wildlife nature
purposes. Committee Member Roszak asked if it is essential
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to hard surface a pathway and if so is blacktop the best
alternative. City Engineer Rosene and Park Director Schmidt
felt that a pathway should be surfaced and blacktop is the
best alternative because of low maintenance. Committee
Member Roszak also asked if funds are available to develop
the residents proposal. Park Director Schmidt stated that
there are no funds available to develop a hard surface path-
way in Outlot E. Committee Member Martin questioned whether
the fill is that necessary on a part of Lots 1 and 2, Block
3, By The Shores plat. City Engineer Rosene stated that
if pedestrian movement is to be allowed around the wetland
in Donnywood Park, it would be essential that the fill
be placed in that corner of the wetland. Committee Member
Beck stated that she is in favor of a hard surface pathway
so pedestrians are given a designated access area. With
there h.h i.rg no further discussion on the matter, Committee
Member Roszak complimented the chair on conducting a.good
hearing and in a notion by Brown, seconded Thursten, all
members voting in favor” ::ncolM_ er.:lation of the Development
Committee to include the c 1icwing
1. Six foot wide asphalt pathway should be installed
on OutI :ts A and B according to the agreement
made between the 'lo veioper and the City Council
as a condition of final plat approval.
A. To provide clearly defined public access
to the City park land.
B. To provide access to the land locked
parcel adjacent to the park land.
2. The Park Committee rlhcald also add additional
footage leading into the park area to the trail
on Outlot A to prevent its ending abruptly at the
rear lot line.
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3. The fill should be provided by the developer in
the low area and the southern portion of the park
as originally agreed at-the time of platting.
A. TO allow walking access through the natural
area from 'one side of the park to the other.
B. To provide better access to the park in
the area adjacent to butlot E was given
approval
PARK CONCEPT DEVELOPMENT PLANS. Mr. John Voss, City
Planner,, appeared and discussed the park concept plans and
cost estimates for the four parks that are scheduled for
development in 1977-1978. He stated the four parks are
Well Site Park, Northview Athletic Field, Pilot Knob Park
and South Oaks Park. Mr. Voss reviewed in detail each of
the concept plans for the four parks as stated and also the
estimated cost of construction and in addition other expenses
which in total are estimated as $183,400. He then reviewed
the contract for preparation of plans and specifications and
superv.r�r.n of construction for the City parks as stated and
recommended that the City Attorney review the contr prior
to approval by the City Council Park Director Schmidt
stated that the Lei c it
,nro., program
t s a grant ro,, -am
which is to allow muni 1 ti.. _:G to receive 50% funding on
the development of an ath U t"..c court consisting of two
tennis courts in the St: t eL v _;.nresota. Park Director
Schmidt reconmende r.pp ica.t on be filed with the
State of Minnesota request.:.,. x 50 funding on the athletic
court whih is proposd for Pilot Knob Park. Park Director
Schmidt stated that funding from the State of Minnesota for an
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athletic court would reduce the financial commitment as
proposed for park development as prepared by the City Planner.
In a motion by Roszak, seconded Cooper, all members voting
in favor, Park Director Schmidt was directed to apply for
a grant that would participate up to 50% for the financing
for an athletic court in the City of Eagan. City Planner
Voss further stated that he would direct the engineering in
the field as the four parks are developed in the next two
years. After several questions on the contract a motion
was introduced by Roszak, seconded Thursten, all members
voting in favor that a recommendation be made to the City
Council approving the park concept plans and cost estimate for
improving Well Site Park, Northview Athletic Field, Pilot
Knob Park and South Oaks Park and that the proposed contract
for the preparation of plans and specifications be approved
so that bids can be let for construction of these four parks
as soon as p- sible.
PARK DED ;"�TION PF -SUDD VIDED LOTS. Park Directnr
Schmidt stated tla'. t1,. City staff is examining the procedure
which r 'ec lo!
.s �vI ti',:Il�.3 a. �v :s w; a;,e .ir.;:. as a part of
the park dedication an /x -a&i ennati•'•r: nol cy which is a
part of the land ra e .F ^:�.:atjnns in the City. After
further discussion d in r :c'::.z n s Rock, seconded by
Coates, all members vo._ i t, f the City staff was
directed to further review the -utter of p�rk dedication or
Cwtnh donation fn::" ?;esu'Ie -,[r%ded lots P.9 a part of the overall
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park dedication research project.
After motion duly made and seconded, the meeting
adjourned at approximately 12 :00 P.M.