06/11/1981 - Advisory Parks & Recreation CommissionMINUTES OF A REGULAR MEETING OF THE ADVISORY PARKS RECREATION COMMITTEE
EAGAN, MINNESOTA
.NNE 11, 1981
A regular meeting of the Eagan Advisory Parks Recreation Committee
was held on June 11, 1981, at the Eagan City Hall. Those present were committee
members Carroll, McNeely, Thurston, Loken, Martin, Fedde and Tilley. Also pre—
sent were Parks Recreation Director Vraa, City Planner Runkle and Administra—
tive /Planning Assistant Ulrich. Committee members Pettit, Thomas and Johnson
were absent.
MINUTES
In a motion by Martin, seconded by Loken, with all members voting
in favor, regular minutes of the Advisory Park Recreation Committee meeting
of May 7, 1981 were approved.
AGENDA
Parks and Recreation Director Vraa offered two (2) additional items
to be considered as other business on the agenda, consisting of the following:
a. Request for use of Northview Athletic Field, and b. A land gift. In a motion
by Carroll, seconded by Thurston, with all members voting in favor, the agenda
for the June 11, 1981 Advisory Park Recreation Committee meeting was approved
with the two additional items.
DAKOTA COUNTY ASSOCIATION FOR RETARDED CITIZENS (D.A.R.C.)
Ms. Sue Seymour and Ms. Gail Cotton, representing the Dakota County
Association for Retarded Citizens, appeared to request financinal assistance
from the City. Ms. Seymour explained that the D.A.R.C. is a United Way Agency
serving St. Paul and suburban counties of over 192,000. Through its Recreation
Unlimited, D.A.R.C. sponsors community service for both children and adults
in a joint cooperative effort of public agencies who are responsible for recrea—
tional services. Ms. Seymour then presented an informative slide presentation
about the retarded. She stated that there are an estimated 1,700 retarded
individuals within the service area of D.A.R.C. and that there are approximately
30 retarded school age children plus the retarded individuals who are residents
of the Orvilla Home in Eagan. She next outlined briefly a history of the
organization and stated that D.A.R.C. was a cooperative effort involving approxi—
mately 11 cities in eight school districts within the county. Ms. Cotton stated
that several specific programs have been developed in Eagan and that further
preschool and adult programs will be developed in the future. Martin stated
that he was concerned whether all individuals in need of the service were ade—
quately informed of the program. Ms. Cotton stated that the D.A.R.C. has an
effective advertising program which probably reaches as many people as practical.
The D.A.R.C. request for a donation of $1,000 from the City of Eagan for the
support of its recreational program has been granted in past years in two $500
payments. Staff recommended that one $500 payment now and one $500 payment
in January, charged to the 1982 budget, would be an appropriate method of pay—
ment. Loken stated that she had a question on how the amount of the assistance
was calculated. Ms. Seymour stated that the $1,000 was a calculated amount
which was proportioned to the population of the City. After further discussion,
a motion was offered by Thurston, seconded by Martin, with all members voting
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in favor that a $1,000 assistance payment to D.A.R.C. shall be recommended to
the City Council for approval.
ZACHMAN HOMES CINNAMON RIDGE
Mr. Steve Ryan, representing the Cinnamon Ridge Development of Zach-
man Homes, Inc., appeared and stated a request for partial park credit on
designated park areas within the Cinnamon Ridge subdivision. Vraa stated that
some figures in the packet report were inaccurate and that correct figures were
available at this time. Steve Ryan stated that the designated park area within
Cinnamon Ridge consisted of two separate parcels, that is, one parcel of approxi-
mately 2.5 acres, centrally located within the plat, and an approximately 6
acre parcel located in the northwest corner of the plat. Loken stated that
the area was already adequately served by the River Hills Ninth Addition park
facilities and suggested that the City accept the 6 acre parcel and reject the
2.5 acre parcel. Martin stated the concern that the area already has an active
park facility for the area and Metcalf Junior High School facilities nearby.
Steve Ryan stated that he was not asking for a 100% credit on the parkland but
indicated that some partial credit was desired. Loken then stated that the
interior park area has access problems because it is surrounded by residences.
Chairman Martin stated that maintenance of the two parcels may be a concern
and that the 6 acre parcel has serious problems with flooding. After additional
discussion, Thurston moved and Martin seconded a motion to retain the cash
dedication for Cinnamon Ridge as previously recommended by the Parks Recreation
Committee and listed the following concerns:
1. The area already has sufficient park facilities in River Hills Ninth
Addition and Metcalf Junior High School to service its maximum popula-
tion and existing facilities already meet the projected needs of the
area.
2. The area is not large enough to meet the criteria used by the City
for the establishment of a City park within the development.
3. The topography of the 6 acre parcel in the northwest corner of the
plat would not lend itself to a usable park area and flooding of the
site is probable.
All members voted in favor.
HILLTOP ESTATES PATH
Parks Recreation Director Vraa stated that the City has a formal
agreement with Dunn Curry Real Estate Management, Inc., to provide a bituminous
pathway in Hilltop Estates. He further stated that a portion of the trail was
constructed as agreed upon in the fall of 1980, but that the entire path was
not constructed because of high water near the ponds. Vraa then stated that
Dunn Curry is requesting that the City consider the possibility of installing
a natural surfaced, meandering path instead of the bituminous path which was
originally planned. Mr. John Moffett III appeared on behalf of the Hilltop
Estates homeowners and stated that he had received a blank petition from Dunn
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Curry advocating a change in trail specifications but that he has no intention
of circulating the petition and hopes that the City will require Dunn Curry
to comply with its commitments. Committee members discussed the fact that a
natural trail creates maintenance and safety hazards. Staff reported that these
trail segments are portions of connective loops and are important to the trails
system. Residents of the area were present in the audience and stated objections
to the present alignment of the trail because stands of mature trees would be
destroyed. Parks and Recreation Director Vraa stated that the present staked
alignment of the trail was only tenative and that any trail, bituminous or
natural surfaced, would probably have to destroy some trees. Several residents
stated that when they bought their property that they weren't adequately informed
about the trail agreement Dunn Curry had with the City. Additional discussions
ensued concerning the City's policy regarding trail surface material and trails
along ponds. Vraa stated that the Hilltop Estates trail was a model trail which
is to be used to provide public access to the pond. After further discussion,
members of the committee suggested that committee members along with staff should
make an on —site inspection of the trail. It was agreed that staff and committee
members would meet on Thursday, June 18, at 5 p.m. to make an on —site tour of
the Hilltop Estates trailway, with June 25 established as an alternate date.
REQUEST FOR USE OF NORTHVIEW ATHLETIC FIELD
Mr. Craig Stricker appeared before the Park Recreation Committee
with a request to use Northview Athletic Field for a fund raising event for
his softball team which plays in an Apple Valley league. Mr. Stricker stated
that he wants to sponsor an outdoor concert which would include two bands and
beer for a $5.00 admission. The event would be scheduled for Saturday, June
28, and would utilize the plateau immediately adjacent to the soccer field.
Mr. Stricker stated that he would acquire a 24 hour, $300,000 liability insurance
policy to cover any damages. Mr. Stricker further stated that he would hire
about six to seven trained personnel for security purposes and expects an
attendance of from 500 to 1,000 people. In response to questions from the com—
mittee, Mr. Stricker stated that this was his first experience with this type
of event. He also stated that he chose Northview as a site because of its
isolation from residential areas. He also stated that any profit from the event
would be used for the softball team and personal profit. Committee members
were concerned abut the nuisance which would occur to neighboring residents.
Martin suggested that the police department should be contacted for their opinion
on the event and that more staff research woudl be desirable because of the
large crowds and the beer drinking at the event. Committee member Tilley stated
that she did not believe it was proper park policy to allow the use of public
parks for private profit. Staff informed committee members that a special permit
would be required in order to sell beer. Carroll stated his concern that the
proposed insurance coverage would not be adequate. The following concerns of
committee members were noted:
1. The City does not have a policy or procedure to handle such requests.
2. The number of people expected to attend this event would limit access
of the park to the general public during that time.
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3. The hours proposed for operation are excessive.
A motion was offered by Chairman Martin, seconded by McNeely, with all members
voting in favor, that the proposal is inappropriate use for a City park.
WINKLER /JACKSON PARKS DEDICATION
Parks Recreation Director Vraa reviewed the proposed Winkler /Jack—
son Addition and proposed parks dedication previously reviewed by the develop—
ment subcommittee. Proposed dedication contains approximately 4.4 acres which
abuts a 3.5 acre parcel of land to be turned back to the City of Eagan by MnDOT
creating a total park area of about 7.7 acres. He stated that the 4.4 acres
represents a partial parks dedication representing approximately 67% of the
approximately 6.55 park acres normal requirements with the plat. Vraa indicated
that the remining parks dedication would be 2.15 acres or approximately $30,400
based on current cash dedication requirements and maximum number of units planned
for the development. He indicated that the cash dedication requirements could
be less if the proposed number of units were not developed or the area which
contains approximately 8.6 acres be changed back from R -3 to limited business.
Staff recommended that the remaining parks dedication be in either cash at the
time of the phase development or a commitment of grading of the park based on
current cubic yard estimates. After further discussion of available options
for grading /cash contributions, Martin offered a motion, Loken seconded, with
all members voting in favor: (1) To accept 4.4 acres of park land dedication;
and, (2) The park area is to be graded within two years of the development agree—
ment or a cash dedication in the amount of $21,250.00.
COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PARKS PLAN
Parks Recreation Director Vraa explained to the committee the
benefits of a master plan for City parks. He stated that the plan would include
a five year plan for capital improvements, a system plan, an identification
of each system and a review of the park system's recreational aspects. Committee
members generally agreed that the master parks plan is a good idea and staff
recommended that one or two members be designated by the committee to formulate
a strategy or direction to the Council on this matter. Concern was expressed
by Loken that the new plan should be developed with adequate and reliable methods.
After additional discussion of the master plan process, the committee agreed
to form a subcommittee consisting of members Carroll, Martin and Tilley to study
the Comprehensive Master Parks Plan concept.
BICYCLE TRAILS SURVEY
Parks Recreation Director Vraa presented to the committee a survey
which was conducted recently along the City's Highline Trail. Committee members
commended staff for the high quality of the report. No action was taken.
LAND GIFT
Parks Recreation Director Vraa presented a proposal to the City
from Jim Tilsen of Tilsen Homes, Inc., to donate a parcel of land described
as Lot 11, Block 5, Wilderness Fourth Addition. Vraa pointed out that the parcel
would be suitable for providing trail access around the adjoining pond. Due
to a lack of available information, the committee agreed to review the matter
at a later date. No action was taken.
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1982 BUDGET
Parks Recreation Director Vraa informed the committee that the
City has begun the budget process for 1982. He stated that he would like com—
mittee members to express any thoughts they may have concerning the upcoming
budget. No action was taken.
BICYCLE TRAILS PLAN
Parks Recreation Director Vraa informed the committee that the
Bicycle Trails Plan received City Council approval at their June 3, 1981 meeting
as recommended by the Advisory Parks Committee. He stated that staff would
now proceed with the compilation of. the final document. No action was taken.
ADJOURNMENT
Due to the lateness of the hour, the committee agreed to table the
following items until the next scheduled regular meeting:
1. Park Dedication
2. Bond Issue Process
3. Policy for Play Perimeters
4. Summer in the Park
5. Ridgecliffe Park Program Update
There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned at 11:20 p.m.
Dated: June 11, 1981
KGU
Advisory '.rks Recreation Committee
Secretary