04/08/1982 - Advisory Parks & Recreation CommissionMINUTES OF A REGULAR MEETING OF THE ADVISORY PARKS AND RECREATION COMMIT "TEE
EAGAN, MINNESOTA
APRIL 8, 1982
The regular meeting of the Eagan Advisory Parks and Recreation Committee was
held April 8, 1982 at the Eagan City Hall. Those members present at the
meeting were Thurston, Carroll, McNeely, Martin, Gustafson, Fedde, Schumaker,
Masin and Johnson. Absent was member Tilley who was excused because of the
recent birth of a baby daughter. Also present was the Director of Parks and
Recreation.
MINUTES
The Director of Parks and Recreation noted a change in the number of units
recorded on the March 4th minutes to read 672 for Lexington Place develop-
ment. There being no further corrections, on a motion by Thurston, seconded
by Carroll the minutes of the March 4th committee meeting were approved.
AGENDA
There being no additions or modifications to the agenda, on a motion by
Johnson, seconded by Fedde, all members voted in favor, the agenda for
April 8, 1982 was approved.
DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
The Director of Parks and Recreation reviewed the history of the Cinnamon
Ridge planned unit development and indicated that the Phase 2 development
proposal constituted a dedication of park land. The director indicated
that the central park area of approximately 22 acres was being changed
in its shape from its original configuration from when it was presented
in the P.U.D. The director further indicated that a planning consultant
had reviewed the size, shape, etc. of the park and had worked with the
Director of Parks and Recreation trying to develop a preliminary concept
plan. The director then presented the concept plan for review by the
Advisory Committee. He indicated some of the constraints of the central
park area and answered numerous questions from the Advisory Committee.
The Director of Parks and Recreation then indicated that it was his recommen-
dation that the developer be required to provide a 5' wide bituminous path-
way through the park as depicted in the concept plan. This would connect
the two access points to the park. Further, the developer is to provide
a bomonite surface preceding the asphalt trail of at least 15' and a bi-
tuminous mat suitable for use as a half court basketball. The developer
is to provide grading and seeding of the park area and will provide berming
as identified in the concept plans which will highlight the entrance to the
park. Further, the developer is to provide an asphalt trail into the 6 acre
park of approximately 125' in length. In response to a question the Director
of Parks and Recreation responded that the 6 acre area, which is beneath the
power lines, is suitable for some parks use provided that some grade changes
are made. Committee member Carroll pointed out that some of the grades into
the park area were steep. They questioned if this would be taken care of.
The Director of Parks and Recreation indicated that this indeed would be
resolved to provide for a gentler slope into the area. He further explained
that it was possible to provide a minimum 200' x 200' play area at the south
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end of this park. Committee member Martin questioned whether a skating
area could ever be provided for this neighborhood. The Director of Parks
and Recreation indicated that it would be his recommendation not to use
the central 21/2 acre park but to use the 6 acre park which contained a
pond. He indicated that this pond could be expanded in the winter time
for some usage for skating purposes if it were so desired at a later time.
He further indicated that before such a commitment could be made, that
the park plans have to be reviewed with greater attention being paid to
this aspect. He went on to explain that the present intent of this area
would be to use it for informal play. That a 200' x 200' area could
conceivably be used for informal ball field activities and /or open space
needs. He stated that further study should be done before any commitments
are made. After further review and discussion, and explanation of future
phases and cash dedication required within the plat, there was a motion
by Fedde, seconded by Carroll that the Advisory Parks and Recreation
Committee recommend to the City Council that the six recommendations,
as presented in the committee's packet be adopted. All voted in favor
of the motion.
OAKWOOD HEIGHTS CONDOMINIUMS
The Director of Parks and Recreation explained the Oakwood Heights condo-
miniums as being located in the Lexington South P.U.D. and therefore did
not require any parks dedication. After a brief discussion concerning
the number of units proposed for the development the recommendation of the
Advisory Committee, on a motion by Martin, seconded by Thurston, that the
Oakwood Heights condominium development provide a single tot -lot and a
continuous bike trail along Wilderness Run Road which meets with the pro-
posed bicycle trails plan and the existing City policy. On a vote on the
motion, all members were in favor.
MIDWESTERN ASSOCIATES LONE OAK HEIGHTS
The Director of Parks and Recreation briefly explained the Lone Oak Heights
development and the past history of parks dedication and purchase of park
for this area. He indicated that before the Advisory Committee was the
consideration for tot -lots and for an internal bituminous trail. Committee
member Carroll questioned the proposed trail, indicating that it might
create a hazard for youths who might cross Pilot Knob Road at this point
rather than traveling to the signalized intersection at Yankee Doodle
and Pilot Knob Roads. Members of the committee then discussed some of
the safety factors and the possibility of the trail moving to Towerview
Road and the implications of that. A question was raised as to the possi-
bility of the signalization at this intersection providing a safer road
crossing. After further discussion and questioning, the chairman tabled
the item to the next meeting pending review by the Public Works Director
for a report on grades, signalization at Towerview Road, and easement
aspects along Towerview Road. On a motion by Carroll, seconded by Masin,
all in favor.
OLD BUSINESS
Park service section 14 report: Chairman Martin indicated that the previous
Advisory Committee meeting that there was a request for a report on this
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park service section. The Director of Parks and Recreation briefly reviewed
the contents of that report indicating to the full committee where members
of the sub committee had reviewed a potential parks area. The director
indicated that the Master Parks plan consultant, should give some immediate
and detailed attention to the area to ensure that adequate park land and
facilities could be provided in this area. He continued that it might be
advisable for the City to look towards purchasing a portion of the park which
would then be augmented by future parks land dedications adjacent to the
purchased area. After further discussion it was the consensus of the Advisory
Committee not to take any action at this time but to defer it to the consul-
tant for his attention and review.
TEEN PROGRAM
Chairman Martin indicated he had contacted community organizations and had
some positive response. Committee member Thurston indicated that she too
had talked to the Lions Club and that they were considering a cash dedication
to the Teen Program for carrying out its activities. Committee member McNeely
indicated that he had not heard on the request for transportation donation
but would have a response by the following Saturday. After all reports and
comments, it was determined that a sub committee meeting might be called to
again review and make final plans for the teen program on the 22nd of the
month.
MASTER PARKS PLAN REVISIONS
Chairman Martin asked the director to review and explain the various revisions
within the Scope of Services as presented in the packet as a basis for dis-
cussion. The director went on in detail of each of the areas and the re-
sponsibilities involved by the staff and Advisory Committee, and the proposed
reductions in the fee schedule. Member Masin questioned the need for six
City wide meetings indicating that this number might be reduced if the need
was seen not to exist. There was extensive review by the Advisory Committee,
with questions regarding time frame, and concerns expressed for reductions
in concept plans. After this discussion there was a motion by Carroll,
seconded by Masin. All members voted in favor to approve the revisions of
the Scope of Services as presented by the Director of Parks and Recreation
and for the City to proceed with the development of the Master Parks plan.
All members voted in favor.
Chairman Martin then stated that he was pleased to see the City move ahead
with this Master Parks plan and the Councils positive response.
The Director of Parks and Recreation then explained that it may be necessary
for the Advisory Committee to meet on the 22nd of April. He indicated that
Mr. Erkkila from Erkkila and Associates would like to meet with the Advisory
Committee at an early opportunity to begin the planning process. This date
is tentative. He indicated that he would advise members if this meeting
would be held. The committee members then discussed additional meetings,
stating that they would like to meet on the third (3rd) Thursday of the
month to handle questions and concerns involved in the Master Parks plan.
There was additional discussion by the Advisory Committee concerning the
processing of the parks plan and meeting with Mr. Erkkila.
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CEDAR POND SKATING PROGRAM
Chairman Martin stated that he had reviewed the materials in his packet in
regards to this issue stating that he favored Option B. Committee Masin
questioned the safety of the pond for skaters and maintenance staff? The
Director of Parks and Recreation responded that he has a bias perspective
in regards to skating on ponds in general, particularly those that were used
for storm waters. He indicated that the tractor had broken through the ice
this year in a period of relatively cold conditions. He further indicated
that at sometime in the past another vehicle had broken through. He continued
saying that his concerns were more in response to men and equipment than to
skaters or pond users. The committee then discussed the possibility of
maintaining the ice area and removing the warming house for the following
season and reviewing the issue the following year. Committee member McNeely
indicated that he was close to the pond and that he was a frequent user of
it and he would be willing to continue to monitor its use next year. After
additional discussion by the Advisory Committee, concerning the Cedar Pond
and Burr Oaks Pond as skating areas, there was a motion by McNeely, seconded
by Thurston, that Cedar Pond Park skating area be limited to maintenance
only and that the removal of the warming house and attendant for the 1982 -83
season be made. Further, that this be reviewed at the end of the 1982 -83
season for further study. On a vote of the motion the motion carried with
Schumaker voting no.
L.A.W.C,O.N.
The director indicated that the information enclosed in the packet was for
committee's review and up -date. Committee member Martin stated that he
would like to see the grant application be made for Rahn Park. The director
said that this work was now in progress and such an application would be
made, but that he wanted the committee to understand that it did not appear
likely that such a grant would be successful because of limited funding.
There were no further questions and no action was taken by the Advisory
Committee.
RECREATIONAL BRAINSTORMING
This item was deferred to a subsequent meeting.
OTHER BUSINESS /REPORTS
The Director of Parks and Recreation reported that the spring maintenance
program was being delayed because of inclement weather. However, staff
has worked on picnic tables, tennis courts and other equipment maintenance
in preparation for spring weather. The director further indicated that
much of the work for skating rinks has already been completed. He re-
quested that the Advisory Committee be alert and understand the impact of
the weather and not everything could be accomplished at one time once the
current period of inclement weather had ceased.
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MAY MEETING
It was discussed that the next Advisory Parks and Recreation Committee
meeting on May 6th would begin at 6:30 P.M. leaving City Hall to visit
parks. The regular meeting would begin at 7:30 P.M.
The Director of Parks and Recreation next discussed a proposal included
in the packet. This proposal is for a consultant parks planner to review
all future parks land dedication. However, the cost for this review by
staff and consultant would be the responsibility of the developer. He
stated that there were positive and negative aspects about this but was
requesting the Advisory Committee to act as a sounding board for this.
In response to a question, the director indicated that such a proposal
could cost $900.00 to $1,500.00 but that these costs could conceivably
go higher if there were difficult grades, ponding issues or the like
which had to be resolved. Committee member Schumaker felt it was a good
idea to be pursued. Committee member Thurston questioned if the City was
asking the developer to shoulder these costs, that he would then ask for
a reduction in the parks land dedication. Committee member Carroll
questioned whether this would side step neighborhood input into the parks
planning process. Committee member Gustafson questioned whether neighbor-
hood process was significant at that time, stating that this was a pre-
liminary concept and not necessarily a total parks plan. There was further
discussion by the Advisory Committee and the chairman indicated that he felt
this was an issue that should be discussed jointly with the City Council.
The Director of Parks and Recreation was asked to place this item on •file
with other items that the committee could discuss with the City Council
for some direction and discussion.
CITY WIDE TOUR
The Director of Parks and Recreation then asked if the committee members
would be interested in seeing the staff pursue a tour, such as was conducted
last year, for members of the Advisory Committee, Planning Commission and
City Council? Committee members responded positively to this thought indi-
cating that they would all like to see such a tour repeated.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business McNeely make a motion, and seconded that
the Advisory Committee adjourn. Motion carried at 9:40 P.M.