05/06/1982 - Advisory Parks & Recreation CommissionMINUTES OF A REGULAR MEETING OF THE ADVISORY PARKS AND RECREATION COMMITTEE
EAGAN, MINNESOTA
MAY 6, 1982
The regular meeting of the Eagan Advisory Parks and Recreation Committee was
held on May 6, 1982 at the Eagan City Hall. Those members present at the
meeting were Gustafson, Fedde, Schumaker, Masin, Thurston, Carroll, McNeely,
Martin and Tilley. Committee member Johnson has submitted his resignation
from the Advisory Committee and was not present at this meeting. Also
present was the Director of Parks and Recreation and the Director of Public
Works.
There being no changes in the minutes of the April 8, 1982 meeting, on a
motion by Thurston, seconded by Carroll, the minutes of the April 8th
committee meeting were approved.
BERRY RIDGE PRELIMINARY PLAT:
MINUTES
AGENDA
Committee member Thurston requested that the L.A.W.C.O.N. Grant be placed
on the agenda. There being no other additions or modifications, on a
motion by Carroll, seconded by Tilley, all members voted in favor, the
agenda for May 6, 1982 was approved.
Chairman Martin noted that the Advisory Committee had just toured the
Pilot Knob Park and Highview Park prior to the start of the regular meet-
ing commencing at 7:30 P.M.
IN- SERVICE PLAYGROUND
The Director of Parks and Recreation introduced Ms Mary Thompson who is
self employed in Playground Design. Ms Thompson presented a slide presentation
concerning playground equipment and its functional layout for use by
children. She emphasized the conceptual layout and those aspects which en-
hance a child's use of playground equipment and those which detracted from
child's play. Following Ms Thompson's presentation there were numerous
questions regarding safety, liability, cost,, and an expression of appreci-
ation for her presentation. Committee members indicated a desire to review
in person examples of play equipment in other communities which have been
described as being both imaginative and creative.
DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
The Director of Parks and Recreation identified the location and number of
units in the Berry Ridge Preliminary Plat. He indicated that it was part
of the Hilltop Estates development and the parks dedication has previously
been satisfied. However, the director indicated that the Advisory Committee
may wish to consider the possibility of an installation of a bituminous trail
located within the plat on the north side of Berry Ridge Road. In response
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to a question, the Director of Parks and Recreation indicated the location
of the other trails in the area, the topography, beginning and ending
points for such a proposed trail. Committee member Carroll questioned the
logical route of which individuals would be using to gain access to the
trails segment. The committee discussed the need for the trail, responsi-
bility for the maintenance and service that a proposed trail might provide.
After further review, there was a motion. by Thurston, seconded by Tilley,
the Advisory Parks and Recreation Committee recommend that there is no
necessity for a trail on the north side of Berry Ridge Road. The motion
carried.
OLD BUSINESS
MIDWESTERN ASSOCIATES LONE OAK HEIGHTS:
This item was introduced by the Director of Parks and Recreation who
briefly indicated that this had previously been reviewed by the Advisory
Committee who had concerns regarding the location of the proposed trail
and tot -lots. City Engineer, Tom Colbert was present who then detailed
for the Advisory Committee the history of the plat and the location of
the proposed trails within the plat. After detailing the proposal by Mr.
Colbert, members questioned the liability and potential use by residents
east of Pilot Knob Road for crossing,other than at signalized inter-
sections, to gain access to the internal trail system and to the park
and school. Committee member Carroll suggested the trail be moved to
Lone Oak with the trail along Shields Lane leading to a shortened internal
trail into the park and school. There was a lengthy discussion with the
review of several other alternatives by the Advisory Committee for trails.
Committee members again expressed concern for each of the alternatives
which appeared to encourage youths or adults to cross at other than signal-
ized intersections. After further discussion there was a motion by Dick
Carroll, seconded by Fedde, all members voted in favor that the developer
provide a trail along the north edge of the plat along Lone Oak Road from
Pilot Knob to the school property; the developer provide a trail from
Shields Lane west to the northeast corner of the park; that the trail meet
City specifications of 8' and 6' in width respectively. The Advisory
Committee made this recommendation to avoid safety hazards in having random
crossings of Pilot Knob Road. This trail alternative reduces such liability
and provides access to the park and school with the highest degree of safety.
All members voted in favor.
The committee then reviewed the tot -lot locations within the development with
concerns expressed for the western most proposed lot because of grades and
near by pond which is located in park property. The committee members
looked at the possibility of berming by the tot -lot. The Director of Parks
and Recreation indicated that most play equipment, in relationship to
the tennis courts, is distant, and the Advisory Committee might consider
having the developer place this equipment on City park property. There was
additional discussion by the Advisory Committee and the alternatives con-
cerning the placement of tot -lots. After this discussion, there was a
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motion by McNeely, that the Advisory Committee recommend that the developer
install the proposed easterly located tot -lot as indicated and, the tot -lot
proposed on the west side be moved to City park property, adjacent to the
existing tennis courts with the playground equipment to be selected and
location specifically identified by staff; to be done as the responsibility
of the developer. Seconded by Martin, with all committee members voting
in favor. Committee members commented that the location of this second
tot -lot would be an amenity to the development, enhance the usage of
tennis courts and play lot activities together, while removing the potential
liability of installing the equipment at a location near a City park pond.
NEW BUSINESS
CEDAR POND PARK DUCKS: The Director of Parks and Recreation reviewed the
item in the park packet concerning resident's calls on ducks and geese
within Cedar Pond Park, which were being kept by a resident. The director
indicated that he had conversations with the owner of the geese, and those
geese have now been removed permanently from the park area. Members then
spoke in favor of ducks in the area as they enhance the scenic attractive-
ness of the park. Member Thurston indicated that the City needs to pro-
vide some vehicle for disallowing other creatures from parks. She further
agreed that the geese needed to go and that the ducks seem appropriate in
this instance, but a policy might have to be developed. Committee member
Carroll suggested that a letter be sent to the resident to not reintroduce
the geese in the future. Committee member Martin indicated that he under-
stood the problem of having the ducks and geese in the park and the clean-
up from droppings inferred that perhaps a policy might lead to a clean-up
after dogs and cats that also frequent the parks. Members of the Advisory
Committee then began to review the alternatives for how to handle this
situation and the desire not to set a precedent of encouraging residents
to use the park for livestock raising. Staff was then asked to send a
letter to the resident concerning the current issue before the Advisory
Committee and to prepare a draft statement concerning the approach by
the Advisory Committee to this issue in other instances.
OTHERBUSINESS /REPORTS
PARKS PLAN: The director briefly reviewed the status of the Master Parks
Plan and gave committee members a revised copy of the survey instrument.
Members then completed the survey as a review and pre -trial to see if any
other questions might arise. Several comments were noted and the director
indicated that he would talk with Mr. Erkkila to see if changes were necessary
and might yet be made. The director also advised the committee on the
districting of the community and dates for meetings. The director then
responded to several questions regarding the Master Parks Plan at this
point.
GARDEN PLOTS: The director handed out an informational sheet concerning
a garden plot program which the City Council had recently approved for
administration by the Parks and Recreation Department. The Advisory Committee
reviewed the document and responded favorably to the program. The director
indicated that despite the fact that the City had a great deal of land,
much of the land did not seem suitable for the garden plot program and if
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there were sufficient interest in this first and trial year, the pro-
gram could be reviewed for expansion or modification the following
year.
L.A.W.C.O.N. GRANT: In response to questions from committee member
Thurston, the director indicated that the L.A.W.C.O.N Grant had been sub-
mitted for the development of Rahn Park specifically the 20 acres
acquired by the City for athletic field development. The director went
on to explain that the review process has begun and asked if any of the
committee members would be willing to meet the following Monday at
1:30 P.M. with members of the Metro Council and State Planning Agency
for an on site visit. Committee member Thurston indicated that she
would be present. The director then went on to explain that the possi-
bilities of the submission of a grant for Thomas Lake Park may be de-
sirable in the future. He has had conversation with the land owner, Mr.
Dunn who is favorable to such an agreement. The director responded to
several questions in regards to this issue as to how it would benefit
the City.
TEEN PROGRAM: The issue of the teen program was briefly reviewed for
the Advisory Committee with the director indicating that the City has
received indication from various donors amounting to about $400.00 to
supplement the transportation cost and the end event for this program.
Other questions in regards to the planned activities which were still
in planning form.
OTHER BUSINESS: Committee Chairman Martin requested that a thank you
letter be sent to Mr. Johnson thanking him for his service on the Parks
and Recreation Advisory Committee.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business, on a motion and seconded; that the
Advisory Committee adjourn. Motion carried at 11 :10 P.M.
Dated:
K.L.V.
Advisory Park 'F, Recreation Committee
Secretary