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06/24/1982 - Advisory Parks & Recreation CommissionMINUTES OF THE SPECIAL ADVISORY PARKS AND RECREATION COMMIT ltE, THURSDAY, JUNE 24, 1982 Present Martin, McNeely, Tilley, Gustafson, Carroll, Masin and Kubik. Also present were the Director of Parks and Recreation and the Parks System Planning Consultant, Tim Erkkila. Absent on vacation was Thurston and Schumaker, also absent was Mike Fedde. The systems plan consultant, Tim Erkkila began by reviewing the status of the study for the committee. He indicated that the firm continue to review and update the base data as well as census material as submitted by the City's planner. He indicated in reviewing the census material that the projected number for population and growth for Eagan is at first appearance rather large. However, after closer study it appears to be very accurate but some discrepan- cies are noted when compared with projections from the Metro Council. He suggested that after further review, and if discrepancies still appear large, it might be necessary to develop two scenarios for parks development for several of the neighborhood service sections. He further went on to review the status of the mail back survey, neighborhood meetings and other aspects of the study up to this point. Mr. Erkkila then went on to discuss the pond and lakes study, and the review process that he and. the Director of Parks and Recreation have taken to this point. He indicated that because of large number of water bodies in the community, the locations and the relationships of size, there is several alternatives for attacking the lake and ponding study. He reviewed with the committee a handout titled "The Ponding and Basing Criteria" reviewing with them the classifications of public waters by the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources and the type one through five wetlands. Mr. Erkkila responded to several questions from the Advisory Committee concerning classi- fication of the wetlands and the size of the ponds preliminarily identified. The Director of Parks and Recreation also indicated that the dilemma of the study is many of the ponds as identified are already less than 2' acres in size, and that many ponds are not identified on the City's base map. The size is questionable on some of these. The director indicated that at the previous direction of the committee was to focus in on those that might be used for purposes other than scenic or have passive value. Hence, the size criteria should be no less than 21/2 acres or perhaps more. There was additional discussion by the Advisory Committee with several questions re- garding the type 3 wetlands. The committee came to a consensus that water bodies designated as type 3 would not be of significance for water usage, how- ever, if a significant type 3 basin came known and could become useful the study should continue to focus in on it. Mr. Kubik suggested that perhaps a 2 phase approach to the ponding issue might be suitable; concentrating the full study on the larger known bodies just identified by the consultant, and those that are lesser size in significance but which additional informa- tion might be desirable. It was suggested by Chairman Martin that perhaps a check list of those ponds might be less than the type 3 or in the less than 21/2 acre category may have some significance and be checked by scouts as an Eagle award project. The committee discussed how such a system might work with the consultant agreeing that it seemed like a logical solution. He indicated that after initial review by the consultants, there may some lake that may warrant some minimal investigation, a project list could be developed and given to the scouts. If their findings prove positive, those Special Advisory Committee Minutes June 24, 1982 Page 2 ponds could be referred back to the consultant for further study with those already identified. Following this discussion committee member Carroll made a motion, which was then ammended and seconded by committee member Martin, that the consultant would review those bodies of water greater than 5 acres in size and type 4 wetlands, but that other areas may be directed to volun- teer groups for initial study. Further if a pond was found unusually suit- able, it would be brought back to the consultant for further review. All members voted in favor. There followed some additional discussion and questioning by the Advisory Committee in regards to the study. PRESENTATION: Mrs. Dusick introduced several members of Pack 445 Den 3 Cub Scouts who live in the Carlson Lake and Wilderness Run area. The cub scouts presented chair- man Martin with a check for $30.00, which the cub scouts had raised as a donation to the park system. The scouts explained that they had collected aluminum cans and had turned them in to raise this money. The scouts indicated that they wished to see the money used towards some type of park improvement either in Carlson Lake or Oak Chase Park. Chairman Martin thanked the scouts for the donation and complimented them on their efforts. MATCHING GIFT: The Director of Parks and Recreation presented a petition which had circulated in Carlson Lake area requesting the Advisory Committee to match the neighbor- hood for a basketball standard. The director indicated that as an outcome of one of the neighborhood meetings, residents of the Carlson Lake area had contacted the department inquiring as to the procedures for matching gifts. He went on to explain that these procedures had been followed, and approxi- mately 20 residents out of nearly 30 contacts that live along Carlson Lake Lane expressed their willingness to donate cash towards the effort. After further indicating that the basketball standard was consistent with parks planning, he responded to the question that he saw no real problem with this request. After further discussion there was a motion by McNeely, seconded by Masin, with all members voting in favor, the committee directed staff to match the gift in the amount of the backboard not to exceed $250.00. All voted in favor. NEXT MEETING: Chairman Martin indicated that the next regular meeting was scheduled for July 1st which preceded the July 4th weekend. He asked members if it was their preference to meet on this date or the following Thursday July 8th. The members indicated that July 8th date would be preferable and the meet- ing was rescheduled for July 8th beginning with a tour at 6:30 P.M. ADJOURNMENT There being no further business of the Advisory Committee, the meeting was adjourned at 8 :50 P.M.