09/02/1982 - Advisory Parks & Recreation CommissionMINUTES OF A REGULAR MEETING OF THE ADVISORY PARKS AND RECREATION COMMITTEE
EAGAN, MINNESOTA
SEPTEMBER 2, 1982
The regular meeting of the Eagan Advisory Parks and Recreation Committee was
held on September 2, 1982 at the Eagan City Hall. Those members present at
the meeting were McNeely, Tilley, Thurston, Fedde, Schumaker, Kubik, Masin,
Carroll. Absent were members Martin and Gustafson. Also present was the
Director of Parks and Recreation, Planning Director and Mr. Tim Erkkila from
Erkkila and Associates. Preceding the convening of the meeting at 7:20 p.m.,
members of the Advisory Committee, the Director of Parks and Recreation and
Planning Director toured Blackhawk Park with Mr. Larry Frank planner for
Blackhawk Oaks.
MINUTES
There being no modifications or corrections to the July 8, 1982 minutes, on
a motion by McNeely, seconded by Tilley, with all members voting in favor,
the minutes of July 8th were approved.
On a motion by Carroll, seconded by Schumaker, with all members voting in
favor the Advisory Committee accepted the minutes of the August 5, 1982
meeting.
DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
Preceding the presentation of the first development proposal, the Advisory
Committee adjourned briefly to the City Council chambers to review a presenta-
tion on the upcoming City Hall expansion project and bond referendum. After
the presentation of the slide portion, the Advisory Committee returned to its
formal agenda items.
City Planner Runkle briefly reviewed the Blackhawk Oaks addition as had been
proposed. Following his presentation, Mr. John Eppel, a nearby resident of
the proposed addition indicated that he had previously objected to the town-
house units and apparently the council haS agreed at this point. He indicated
that he felt that if another entrance to Blackhawk Park is made, as has been
discussed, that the current access into the park from Riverton might be closed
off because of parking problems caused by park users. Mr. Rafalik of 3848
Riverton Avenue indicated that if the City was to consider opening the park
up to more people and users, that it would change the characteristic of the
park and that the Advisory Committee and City must consider the residents when
considering parking and access. He indicated that the park was a valuable asset
to the community. After further discussion and comment by members of the
audience, committee member Thurston suggested that the audience be updated on
a report that had been prepared by Mr. Erkkila and the Director of Parks and
Recreation regarding access to the park. Mr. Erkkila then discussed the paper
entitled "preliminary review of access" that had been prepared. He commented
on the process that had been used and the desirability of obtaining a north
access point to the park. In reviewing the rationale for the north access,
he indicated that such an access point could be downgraded to a secondary
access point at such time as a southern entrance could be established. The
Director of Parks and Recreation stated he was in concurrence and that the
Advisory Committee should review this plat intent for at least the opportunity
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to provide a secondary access to the Blackhawk Park. After several questions
regarding roads, parking and usage of the park by residents it was stated
that it was not the intent to design the park at this time but to review the
opportunity to provide the secondary access. Mr. John Eppel responded that
he would be willing to keep the present access even if it meant people cross-
ing his yard, rather than any possible road into the park site as had been
suggested if the north access point were developed. The resident of 3840
Riverton, on the north side of the entrance, questioned what the entire develop-
ment of the park would consist of. Acting chair person Thurston indicated
that the City has not had a design for the park and has been discussing
potential concepts that would lend itself to park development. After further
discussion by the Advisory Committee, the committee listed five (5) options
open to them in regards to the plat. Committee member Fedde offered a
motion that cash dedication and sufficient room of minimum size to provide
access to the park be provided through the Blackhawk Oaks preliminary plat.
The motion was seconded by Tilley. After discussion all members voted in
favor.
JOINT MEETING WITH CITY COUNCIL
At this point in the agenda, the Advisory Committee joined with the City
Council for a joint review of the progress on the parks system plan.
Mr. Erkkila reviewed the tatic study stating that it revealed that the
"Scope of Services" was accurate and the work outline that had been re-
quested to be performed was consistent with the group. He reviewed with
the Advisory Committee and City Council the major points that had been
revealed both in the neighborhood workshops and in the survey results. He
indicated that there was a distinct difference in comments between people
living in the area east of I -35 -E and the area west of I -35 -E; stating
that the area to the east, because of lack of adequate facilities or ability
to identify with the park area were concerned primarily with basic park
amenties and acquisition. The area to the west of I -35 -E, because they had
significant park land with some development having occurred, were concerned
with higher quality of parks and levels of services. He also indicated that
swimming and picnic facilities were consistently ranked high throughout the
community as major community needs. Most neighborhood groups represented
had specific suggestions regarding nearby parks. He stated that trails
rated very positively amongst the entire community and were often priori-
tized ahead of many other aspects in terms of park development. Frequent
comments were noted in regards to a jogging or an exercise trail within
the community.
Mr. Erkkila responded to several questions in regards to the studies at this
point and then reviewed the status of the ponding areas. At this time some
of the data was still being collected and collated, however, he wished to
review with the joint council and committee those areas that were now beginning
to emerge as useful sites. He stated that within a few weeks he would hope
to eliminate those ponding areas that could not provide the highest potential
for lake usage or which could be identified only for limited, specific usage.
Mini- management plans could be developed for those identified as having high
potential.
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Mr. Erkkila identified specific neighborhood planning sections in which
potential problems were appearing. He reviewed those areas for the Advisory
Committee and City Council stating that at this time he is not asking for
direction but only indicating where serious concerns were beginning to de-
velop and that issues would be revolving around those neighborhood districts.
Those neighborhood districts included 10 -W, which is the Donnywood Park area
and the serviceability of Donnywood as a neighborhood park. Section 15,
which has multiple problems including large residential areas and lack of
current neighborhood park facilities. And, in planning district 5 currently
no parks in section 22 or 23. He was also questioned to the designation of
Capricorn Park as a neighborhood park or for broader usage. Mr. Erkkila
pointed out several other areas that would require review by the council
and committee as it relates to specific park issues. After some discussion
by the committee and council in regards to these issues, Mr. Erkkila stated
that it would be important for the group to at least begin to identify
specific parks for concept design as contained in the contract agreement.
The matrix, which was included in the packet, was reviewed and the criteria
used to identify several parks that were significant for development. Mr.
Erkkila then reviewed each of the specific park sites stating some of the
problems, concerns and issues that could be resolved or identified. He
further indicated, because of the large number of park areas that were not
currently designed, the City may wish at some time to systematically determine
which other park sites might be included for design at a later date. The
Director of Parks and Recreation distributed a second matrix indicating that
the Advisory Parks and Recreation Committee had reviewed the listing of parks
at its previous meeting. He indicated that the Advisory Committee had spent
nearly an hour and half in reviewing the park sites and had some difficulty
in identifying specific parks for design purposes. In distributing the list
the director stated that he shared different perspectives than Mr. Erkkila
but the results were somewhat similar. After response to several questions
regarding the issues of concern to the community, Councilman Wachter stated
he felt he was in agreement with the list as presented by the Director of
Parks and Recreation. This list of park sites include South Oaks, Lakeside,
Wedgewood, Capricorn, Coachman, Fish Lake, Blue Cross /Blue Shield and Deboer
Parks. It was agreed that the remaining two park sites would be identified
later in the park system planning process for concept design. After a
summary discussion, the committee then moved on to the discussion of the Rahn
Park concept plan currently being worked on by Mr. Erkkila for the athletic
fields at Rahn Park. The Director of Parks and Recreation introduced the
item giving background information to the committee and council concerning
the grant application process and the need to specifically identify a plan
in the grant. He stated that further modifications to the grant would not
be possible once submitted on October 1. The director indicated that it
would be important for the group to identify specific design criteria for
Mr. Erkkila, so allowances could be made for future inclusion as additional
development occurs on the site. The concept plans were discussed and the
committee and council agreed that the version which included the baseball
facility, while desirable, may not warrant its inclusion because of the
fact lighting of the complex may not occur. Council member Smith stated
that it was his feeling that because of the residential area and the
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potential opposition to lighting these facilities at this time, it might be
better to consider a baseball complex with lighting at some other location.
It was suggested that perhaps the future high school site might include this.
Mr. Erkkila and the Director of Parks and Recreation indicated this approach
had been considered but that it was probable that the community, in the long
term, would need more than the baseball facility at a proposed high school
site. Future community needs would be expanded beyond such facilities. It
was also indicated that using school facilities may conflict with school
needs and availability of such facilities in other communities have been
limited. Comments were directed toward Mr. Erkkila to continue to review
the need and locations for baseball facilities, and the preference for a
greater number of softball fields seemed desirable in this instance. It
was also indicated that in the systems plan process, the needs for designing
baseball facilities should be considered. There was further discussion by
the committee and council in regards to this issue and Mr. Erkkila stating
that he would now prepare additional concepts for review. He questioned
when the committee and council would again be able to convene to consider
this issue; or if the Advisory Committee and staff should do the review
process. Members of the council indicated that their schedule at this time
was extremely tight and commitment to meet again could not be made. The
Director of Parks and Recreation indicated that review could be made with
the staff and committee, but the council would be informed of such a meeting
and could attend if the opportunity so presents itself.
I -35 -E /Blackhawk Road
The Director of Parks and Recreation explained that in the absence of the
Public Works Director, he would explain the item regarding I -35 -E and
Blackhawk Road interchange. He stated that at this time the item contained
in the agenda packet was now mute. He stated that the office of Senator
Durenberger had just recently announced that federal funds had been released
for the construction of 35 -E from its present terminus to approximately
Blackhawk Road provided that construction and bid letting could be done
immediately with no revisions to the existing plans. Because of this, the
State Transportation Department would not allow any revisions or modifications
to the existing plan and consequently a separate trail overpass over 35 -E
could not be considered at this time. However, Blackhawk Road would main-
tain a separate 10' trail on the west side and a 6' sidewalk on the east
side. He further reviewed that the sidewalk that was proposed along Cliff
Road, within the 35 -E right -of -way, would also be constructed throughout
the entire right -of -way. This is because modification of the existing plans
could not be made. However, the director indicated that MnDOT officials
was seeking the City to construct concurrently the sidewalks west and east
of the I -35 -E /Cliff Road interchange so MnDOT could qualify for federal
assistance and reimbursement for the sidewalk construction within 35 -E.
The question was asked whether the funding released would allow the completion
of 35 -E through Eagan, as had been noted in the Dakota County paper. It was
reported that this funding was only from that portion at its current terminus
to approximately Blackhawk /35 -E intersection.
There being no additional business for the committee and council to consider
members of the City Council adjourned.
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BRITTANY MANOR 4th ADDITION
The Advisory Parks and Recreation Committee then resumed its meeting and
considered the Brittany Manor 4th Addition for formal action. The Director
of Parks and Recreation and Planning Director briefly reviewed the Brittany
Manor 4th addition and the discussion at the August committee meeting.
There being no questions, there was a motion by Fedde, seconded by McNeely,
with all members voting in favor that the City accept a cash dedication with
the 30' trail easement being returned.
SHEFFIELD ADDITION
City Planner Dale Runkle indicated that the Sheffield addition had been re-
viewed by the Advisory Planning Commission with a recommendation for approval
by the City Council. He stated that this addition is within the Lexington
South P.U.D. and therefore, there would be no action required by the Advisory
Committee. He indicated that this item was brought before them as an
informational item.
At this point in the committee meeting the Vice chairperson indicated that the
remaining agenda appeared quite lengthy and because of the lateness of the
hour, items would be deferred to the regular meeting in October.
The Director of Parks and Recreation stated that the committee had previously
discussed a possibility of a tour of playground areas and apparatus in other
communities. He inquired whether the committee would intend to do that yet
this year. He suggested that a tour could be conducted on a week day evening
or a Saturday. After some discussion, the committee agreed that a box lunch
and a 5 :00 p.m. tour should be set for Thursday, September 9, 1982. A tour
to leave the office on Coachman Road. The Director of Parks and Recreation
indicated that he would contact those members not present.
SOCCER FIELDS RAHN PARK
Committee member McNeely stated he had witnessed the use of the soccer fields
on the school property at Rahn Park and that the soccer balls often went on-
to Rahn Road beyond the goals. He requested that the Director of Parks and
Recreation investigate the matter and take appropriate action to provide for
the safety of children.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further items to discuss, on a motion by Masin, seconded by
Fedde the Advisory Committee adjourned at 11:50 P.M.
Dated: SEpTG,;,MeAv._ 2, l9 `6 L
K.L.V.
visory Pars Recrcati-on Committee
Secretary